FreeMufasa
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Good.
Racists should also get sent to prison.
Racists should also get sent to prison.
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Gay Colorado couple accuses baker of discrimination over refused wedding cake
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davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
forget those guys, i'd like to know who voted yes and fell into the categories of
"hardly ever" religious services
"independent" party identification
"liberal" political ideology
and
have gay friends/lesbians
they must be a miserable human being. at least the others have some sort of "reasoning."
Granted, it was five years ago, but yeah, I don't get those either.
How have you possibly jumped to this conclusion
oneils
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He's not facing a year in jail for descrimination. He potentially faces a year in jail if he defies a court order.
You can see more info at the bottom of this article: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...nation-alleged-wedding-cake-article-1.1366148
You can see more info at the bottom of this article: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...nation-alleged-wedding-cake-article-1.1366148
TheLegendOfMart
Banned
I think the baker should be forced to watch them make out on one of his cake making tables.
Seriously though something is off with this:
So they allege that the place has a history of turning away same-sex couples yet ask them to make a cake anyway so they can kick up a fuss about it?
Seriously though something is off with this:
So they allege that the place has a history of turning away same-sex couples yet ask them to make a cake anyway so they can kick up a fuss about it?
oneils
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Or they found out about the history after they were refused service.
travisbickle
Member
Probably a law put in place to stop religious discrimination, then it goes and bites them in the arse when they want to persecute gay people....Doh'!!
TheLegendOfMart
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I'm also confused by the guy saying it violates his Christian Beliefs.
Does god say you aren't allowed to bake a cake for gay people?
I thought Christians were supposed to hate the sin not the sinner.
Either way this guy is hiding behind his 'beliefs' to get away with his bigotry.
I definitely wouldn't want a cake from this guy with him knowing that I was a gay person, you don't know what he would put in the cake.
Does god say you aren't allowed to bake a cake for gay people?
I thought Christians were supposed to hate the sin not the sinner.
Either way this guy is hiding behind his 'beliefs' to get away with his bigotry.
I definitely wouldn't want a cake from this guy with him knowing that I was a gay person, you don't know what he would put in the cake.
I am Michael Bolton
Banned
Oh please.
Schattenjäger
Gabriel Knight
Yup on all points
Nemesis121
Member
Racist???????????????????Really????
So can we send all the racist restaurant owners in the 1950's and 1960's to jail for having signs that said we don't serve niggers?
yess, douvle life sentence
The Faceless Master
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more white people voted for prop 8 than all minorities combined voting for and against prop 8. i guess white voters in california hate gay people.
no, just the ones currently being racist...
NathanMcMahon
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BakedPigeon
Banned
teach him what?
childplease
Banned
Any jail time or any fines seems excessive.
Isn't not getting the customers money punishment enough ?
Isn't not getting the customers money punishment enough ?
JordanN
Banned
For being homophobic.
BakedPigeon
Banned
I agree with you. But you need to understand that no one has a teacher for how they live their life.
Devolution
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You have a time travelling machine?
Eh, this is definitely iffy. I don't really believe you should have a right to refuse service based on something like race/sex/ethnicity/religion, because that's just straight discrimination, which is some bullshit. I also don't have tolerance or compassion for bigots, but 1yr in jail? Ehh . . . that frankly is excessive, fine the shit outta him or something instead.
ComputerMKII
Banned
'Your rights end where my feelings begin.'
SuperAngelo64
Banned
That's how capitalism is supposed to work. You run your business how you want and if you fuck up you lose costumers and worst case scenario you're dealing with a boycott.
This mickey mouse half-and-half legal system we have only takes the worst parts of socialism and capitalism, forces it down our throats, and then tells us it's freedom.
Stuff like this makes me sick (the penalty). If I were the baker, of course I'd give these dudes cake, but I also should reserve the right not to if it's my own business and for any reason I want. A big issue was also the fact that it was a wedding cake, clearly gay marriage is a big issue and just because there's a lot of back-patting going on here about how it's 'objectively right' doesn't make it so. If this guy were to refuse service to a Hindu couple and said "No, I don't want you sell you this cake for your arranged marriage because it's against my personal beliefs" people wouldn't even bat an eye.
I also hope anyone in this thread who is clicking their heels that this guy is getting locked up is literally promoting penalization over a moral issue. You know, that stuff you get so mad at the Bible-thumping conservatives about.
paperboywriter
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And stupid too.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Especially when Delish is a far superior Colorado bakery.
I don't get it. How many criminals, divorcees, liars and general assholes have they sold cakes to, that they don't care, but selling a cake for a gay couple is too much?
Down the street is a bakery that is run by very conservative Iraqi residents. They are probably against gay people, but they'd never refuse a sale or say no.
I'll take heat for this, but photographers I can understand, but not florists or bakers. A photographer would have to physically be present, in rooms, be there capturing intimate moments and so anyone that is homophobic will be SUPER uncomfortable. But if all you need to do is deliver or provide goods, what's the problem? I don't see how it'll affect you.
On the one hand, you need to confront bigotry and to show its not right on the other, there's probably dozens of bakers who'd love their service. If someone refused service to me because of my skin color, I don't know if I'd care enough to sue, or to say fuck you, badmouth them to my friends and take my business elsewhere.
Down the street is a bakery that is run by very conservative Iraqi residents. They are probably against gay people, but they'd never refuse a sale or say no.
I'll take heat for this, but photographers I can understand, but not florists or bakers. A photographer would have to physically be present, in rooms, be there capturing intimate moments and so anyone that is homophobic will be SUPER uncomfortable. But if all you need to do is deliver or provide goods, what's the problem? I don't see how it'll affect you.
On the one hand, you need to confront bigotry and to show its not right on the other, there's probably dozens of bakers who'd love their service. If someone refused service to me because of my skin color, I don't know if I'd care enough to sue, or to say fuck you, badmouth them to my friends and take my business elsewhere.
That takes it a little too far.
Don't worry, the implication of your post is horrible enough.
iamshadowlark
Banned
This is.....what?
timetokill
Banned
Ugh @ everyone involved in this.
Just slam the bakery on Yelp, tell your friends, then move on and get your cake from somewhere else. Sending a baker to jail over a fucking wedding cake just makes the baker seem like the victim.
edit: the jailtime for defying a court order makes sense though. I was misled by the OP's thread title!
Just slam the bakery on Yelp, tell your friends, then move on and get your cake from somewhere else. Sending a baker to jail over a fucking wedding cake just makes the baker seem like the victim.
edit: the jailtime for defying a court order makes sense though. I was misled by the OP's thread title!
PuppetSlave
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Quoted because people just don't seem to get it.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Reagan Coalition is my to-go source of news for sensible discussion of capitalism and racial issues in America.
Funny how they can twist it. "Could face a fine/jail time after repeated cases of discrimination for losing the case and defying a court order," from the defense attorney to a news headline stating, "Facing jail time for denying service to a gay couple."
Unfortunately, it seems few people in the thread are reading about it and are just reacting to the biased source the OP provides.
He's not getting locked up. He'd potentially get locked up if he defied a court order, but in that case he's a bloody imbecile.
Next to nobody in this thread is cheering on his going to jail; most thought that was too overboard. A good half of this thread is exclaiming how horrible it is that he's going to jail... those people didn't read into it, because this case is dealing with multiple counts of discrimination and the up-to-a-year jail time will only be if he both loses the case and defies the court order. Lemme guess, you also didn't read into it?
Again, to make this clear.
Yeah, I prefer pie, tbqh.
jakonovski
Member
Bigoted people suck. But you Americans really need to find other solutions to problems than putting people in prison (notable exception seems to be white people murdering black people, but I digress).
Tesseract
Banned
us americans huh, i guess we're a borgly collective.
When the OP cites a source that deliberately slants the story to incite people, you're going to get angry reactions before anyone realizes that the source shouldn't have been used in the first place and few will notice the mentions of it after they do.
Drilled into the link and came up with these:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57482042/same-sex-couple-denied-wedding-cake-by-bakery/
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/07/28/lakewood-cake-shop-refuses-wedding-cake-to-gay-couple/
Neither of which mention jail at a glance.
HP_Wuvcraft
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That phrase has been taken out of context.
It was made for unruly customers.
But people use it to discriminate all the time.
You think it's right to refuse service to someone just 'cause they are a Jew?
That's what I was thinking. Imagine how many business's would stop serving Arabs if they can get away with it.
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