Except there was no separate dress code for guys & girls until they found out she wanted to wear a tux. Even then, different dress codes based on gender are complete bullshit that should be done away with.
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Gay Honor student cant wear tux to prom. "Girls wear dresses and boys wear tuxes"
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Except there was no separate dress code for guys & girls until they found out she wanted to wear a tux. Even then, different dress codes based on gender are complete bullshit that should be done away with.
Dress code for prom? Where are you from? Planet boring?
Yeah the rules are arbitrary, but at this point I'd say it's widely considered that tuxedos are formal wear for women too. It's not a crazy new thing at all. I'd say the tradition that women have to wear dresses has largely died off.
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This thread is so weird because I can't imagine anyone in real life gasping at the idea of a woman wearing a tuxedo. I can't imagine anyone looking at the above photos and thinking those women aren't being classy and formal.
During the 2011 Oscars, when Anne Hathaway came out in a tuxedo and James Franco in a dress, the joke was all on Franco. I don't think Hathaway in a tuxedo fazed anyone. Sadly while it's acceptable for women to wear tuxes, it's not acceptable yet for men to wear dresses.
Erin S Kittens
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Am I really seeing all these nonsensical responses in support of maintaining the oppressive gender binary at all costs?
Some people.
Edit: I'd wear a tux to prom. I only wear dresses as a joke or to troll my friends, haha.
Some people.
Edit: I'd wear a tux to prom. I only wear dresses as a joke or to troll my friends, haha.
honestly though it's a webforum about videogames, is anyone really surprised that some people are struggling with the difference??
I personally see no point in forcing people to dress according to their gender, but at the same time, organizers of an event get to choose the rules.
No matter how I wrap my head around it, I cannot fathom why it would matter that a woman dressed in a tuxedo though. I mean, what's the worst thing that could happen? Nothing. That's right, nothing.
No matter how I wrap my head around it, I cannot fathom why it would matter that a woman dressed in a tuxedo though. I mean, what's the worst thing that could happen? Nothing. That's right, nothing.
Because they've not only handled cases like this in the past, but actually have a help page dedicated to the issue?
https://www.aclu.org/lgbt-rights_hiv-aids/prom-resources-lgbt-students
There is already precedence set in cases like these and the principal is going against its grain, without support from his superiors. If the girl bothers to pursue it, he's apt to find himself in hot water.
Traditions don't have to be maintained. And when they go against logic there is really no need for them to stick around.
Parts of this thread feels like time traveling back to the 50's.
The school has the right to require their students wear appropriate attire to a formal event, but they shouldn't have the right to enforce outdated gender roles.
A female wearing a tux/suit is perfectly acceptable and I find it hard to believe her sexuality isn't related to this suddenly being an issue.
That said, the hyperbole and click bait in the article and original post is ridiculous.
The school has the right to require their students wear appropriate attire to a formal event, but they shouldn't have the right to enforce outdated gender roles.
A female wearing a tux/suit is perfectly acceptable and I find it hard to believe her sexuality isn't related to this suddenly being an issue.
That said, the hyperbole and click bait in the article and original post is ridiculous.
I guess the better question is why is it formal? What harm is there in letting people not be formal?
As I mentioned before, our school didn't even believe in that BS and letting people come to our Bash (our version of Prom) in jeans and shirt didn't ruin anyone's evening. And plenty of kids dressed up and even took out limos and such because they wanted to make a big deal of it and it was special to them. And the kids who didn't think dressing up was needed to make it special enjoyed it too. Hell, I think we even had a few guys in dresses (and more for the joke of it even so they were outright just joking around and it still didn't ruin anyone's fun including the people who wanted to take the event more seriously).
So... why do the people who want to wear formal feel that it would ruin it for them to allow others to enjoy it the way they want to?
Why is it so important to exclude everyone except for the people whose idea is exactly the same as yours as to how to enjoy it?
Not to mention, this whole conversation is a bit side tracking cause the person in question wasn't asking to dress casual. She was asking to dress formal and was taking the event seriously so it's not even like you can argue she was just trying to troll.
I'm not entirely sure why her being gay is even being brought up here. Surely it's more the fact she's a girl wanting to wear a tux, not only gay girls wear tuxes. Plenty of women wear tuxedos and suits all the time and nobody bats an eyelid. This just seems like an outdated rule they've made up on the spot to stop someone from doing what they want to do.
If a guy wants to wear a dress it doesn't mean he has to be gay either. I can't believe we still in the year 2015 apply genders to clothes. People should be allowed to wear whatever the hell they feel the most comfortable in. It just doesn't make any sense that some people still can't seem to let it be that simple.
If a guy wants to wear a dress it doesn't mean he has to be gay either. I can't believe we still in the year 2015 apply genders to clothes. People should be allowed to wear whatever the hell they feel the most comfortable in. It just doesn't make any sense that some people still can't seem to let it be that simple.
I agree.
It's also ridiculous we apply certain styles of dress to different sexualities as well.
The way LGBT+ people dress is just as varied as straight people. Her being gay has nothing to do with her desire to wear a tux.
I honestly have no idea, I don't understand the fascination with having to dress formal. I can understand some big grand event or something, but formal wear just isn't for me at all.
And in the context of the high school prom.. who gives a damn? It's a party for the kids, not the adults. I personally think they should be able to wear what they want.
I simply didn't go to the formal prom we had at my school, I just stayed at home with my best friend, got drunk and watched bad movies.
And you are exactly right, the conversation IS irrelevant, and I honestly got sick of people saying stuff like "Well if I wanted to go in a T-shirt and jeans, should I be allowed?" because they are completely missing the point. What she wanted to wear was formal, they simply took exception because of her gender.
Illegal huh? That's cool.
EdibleKnife
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This isn't the army. She's not going into combat, she's spending an hour in a dingy ballroom dancing to top 40s. If the school can't think of a reasonable reason as to why she can't wear the exact type of attire required for the event beyond her being a girl and girls wear dresses, then she should be allowed to wear the tux if that's what she feels comfortable wearing. This isn't about her wanting to be special. This rigid adherence to gender binary dress is archaic and superfluous.
DoktorEvil
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It seems to me that the school singled her out for being gay and wanting to wear a tux, thus the mention in the article?
The article states she is openly gay, so that why they mention her sexual orientation.
I don't know what being gay and choosing to wear a tux have to do with one another. Tuxes and suits are great and make the wearer feel regal. There are plenty of women in Fortune 500 companies that wear a suit, many of them top executives.
Whiteblade999
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Depends. You are absolutely right about that they should be able to wear what they want, however complaints and rule changes should all be done before the night of. Showing up in a tux when the rules very specifically says dress gives you no wiggle room and forces them to send that person home.
Jumping through some hoops is much more likely to get someone what they want then showing up and stamping their feet because they said 'fuck you' to the rules and didn't say a word. If they don't budge on it, then you follow this woman's example and simply don't go.
Erin S Kittens
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I wonder how many posts in this thread have already pointed out that the rules didn't specify a gendered dress code.
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I think that my issue is that we are taking these completely arbitrary rules and then subjecting them to non-arbitrary rules. I understand doing so when those arbitrary rules are specifically designed to exclude someone, but in this case she is still able to participate of she wishes. I don't even agree with the arbitrary rule, she should be able to wear a tux if she wants, but I would also be quite happy for them to do away with the 'formal' dress rule completely.Yeah the rules are arbitrary, but at this point I'd say it's widely considered that tuxedos are formal wear for women too. It's not a crazy new thing at all. I'd say the tradition that women have to wear dresses has largely died off.
Marlene Dietrich
Katharine Hepburn
Princess Diana
Anne Hathaway
This thread is so weird because I can't imagine anyone in real life gasping at the idea of a woman wearing a tuxedo. I can't imagine anyone looking at the above photos and thinking those women aren't being classy and formal.
During the 2011 Oscars, when Anne Hathaway came out in a tuxedo and James Franco in a dress, the joke was all on Franco. I don't think Hathaway in a tuxedo fazed anyone. Sadly while it's acceptable for women to wear tuxes, it's not acceptable yet for men to wear dresses.
I just feel like it is up to the people responsible for organizing it to be able to make decisions based on what they want for their event. If they want to ban bright orange Tuxedos but allow bright orange dresses then that is their choice. If they want girls to wear dresses and boys to wear tux's so be it. This isn't a mandatory event as far as I understand how proms work, and no-one is being excluded in an egregious manner as far as I can tell.
Whiteblade999
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Because I'm going to read over 300 posts to see if someone happened to respond? Nope.
It's been mentioned quite a lot (in fact I believe it's even on the first page). If you're not willing to read that far and then get defensive when someone calls you out on it why bother posting at all?
Erin S Kittens
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Because you'd prefer to represent yourself through ignorance, I suppose? "Very specifically states" is very specific language indicating a very specific thing--and not only are you lacking receipts for your claim, but it's been debunked over and over again in this thread.
I've asked already a number of times what the invitation was and which dress code was specified but so far no answer.
Interesting, did not know that. I find it a bit weird that this can go to court, but seems like the school has no ground for rejection then. Good, she can go to the prom anyway (though I think the principal stepping in kind of already made that possible).
Nah, I was just surprised that so many people are adamant there is no gender prescriptions in dress codes when they don't seem to know the first thing about them, not even bother to go to Wikipedia.
The only reason, that I can see, to hold up this "tradition" is because seeing a gay person being gay would upset some people.
She's willing to dress formally. It's not like she's asking to wear fucking pajamas or something.
She's willing to dress formally. It's not like she's asking to wear fucking pajamas or something.
Erin S Kittens
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Protip: You can edit your last post to fit more replies in, to avoid double- or triple-posting.
The article in the OP clearly indicates that a gendered dress code is not within the school district's policy, and it's been made known that to enforce a gendered dress code is actually sex discrimination and illegal. Who should be respectful of "the rules", the marginalized queer student, or the bigoted principal? SMH at the posters who side with ignorance.
I know, but I find reacting to different people on different subjects to sometimes be more messy in a single post than in multiples.
Of course a prom dress code is not in the official school rules, which is what the principal said. That would be really weird. Dress codes are often thought up on the spot when a dance is being organized. This is the first time I'm seeing that rejecting people based on dress code is actually illegal, that does make the discussion pretty redundant. FWIW I don't see it as marginalizing anyone really (except for maybe some transgenders, though not more than any other gender distinction), though at the same time I made it clear that I think a high school prom shouldn't enforce strict dress codes. The point still stands though that noone seems to know what the exact dress code was in the first place. So it really has not been debunked in any way shape or form.
Erin S Kittens
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To be clear, it's enforcing a gendered dress code that's illegal. There's actually precedent on this girl-in-a-prom-tux scenario:
Glad that's settled.
EdibleKnife
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Wait. What about all the rules? And traditions? Without listening to arbitrary nonsense made up on the spot, everyone in a 5 mile radius is instantly reduced to their base proteins.
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So a rule was being broken!
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Curious what specific law they are saying it violates?
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Looks like Free Speech, based on Erin's earlier post.
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