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Geoff Keighley response to an IGN article about NexGen Graphics
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LazyParrot
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I guarantee you Epic ran that demo on current PC hardware a hundred times before they put it on a PS5 dev kit for the first time. If this demo is representative of next gen console graphics simply by virtue of running on a PS5, then it's representative of current PC graphics as well.
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Romulus
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I honestly feel like that if there had been no Driveclub, the developers could do slight improvements to the ps4 code, upres, 60fps, and show certain sections of several tracks. "OMG next gen is amazing!"
The reason I say that is playing it recently, it floored me how well it still looks. Other than a couple of average tracks and textures, my god.
The reason I say that is playing it recently, it floored me how well it still looks. Other than a couple of average tracks and textures, my god.
sonomamashine
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PuppetMaster
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From his article:
"Graphics have currently plateaued somewhat when it comes to immediately obvious improvements"
"It's going to be gorgeous, but in a more subtle way than we've come to expect."
"There are graphical improvements happening, but they are somewhat invisible ones"
Tom was talking out his ass. And he got smacked down hard today. And rightfully so. He should man up and admit he was wrong. Instead of trying to get in the last word and looking like a clown.
iNvid02
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Haha, doubling down on his absolutely dumb and premature stance
Dumb article, even with x86 everyone knows the first batch of games are usually a learning curve. Sure covid19 complicates that further but the leap is a big one
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Lol ok big guy he is clearly talking cross generation games and he is correct. One tech demo is not the majority of games lol.
"But people should also be prepared for the fact that the majority of the next-gen games revealed over the next few months will likely look like they could be current-gen games – at least on the surface."
onesvenus
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It would be representative of current PC graphics if someone was targeting just the high-end, which nobody is doing for obvious reasons.
LazyParrot
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That would sound a whole lot more convincing if there were actual PS5 games out there that looked as good as this tech demo. There aren't, though, and until that changes this tech demo is no more representative of what next gen games will look like than it is of what current PC games look like.
Remember when people thought that sorcerer tech demo Sony showed off back in 2013 was a good indication of what PS4 games would look like? It's been 7 years and no game has gotten close. You'd think people would have learned from that.
Journey
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And especially Gears of War. MS was busy showing off games like Full Auto and GUN, while Sony showed off tech demo's. It looks like this gen they're trying to follow 360 footsteps and take the conservative approach to games again, but they should've had that UE5 demo as their showcase, and THEN showed some other stuff, imo at least.
It seems like he was talking about the initial crop of next gen games ("next-gen games revealed over the next few months"), because he said that he expects first party games to knock peoples socks off. From what the DF guys were saying, we might not see games on UE5 until 2022.
D.Final
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Welp
MDSLKTR
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If you look past your brand loyalty then you'll see vfx is one of the few legit insiders here. Now if you don't like what he says then that's your problem.
Oh and @10TF that UE5 demo is not that impressive for what it's running at
Explosive Zombie
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If you look past your brand loyalty then you'll see vfx is one of the few legit insiders here. Now if you don't like what he says then that's your problem.
Oh and @10TF that UE5 demo is not that impressive for what it's running at
Anyone telling me that UE5 demo isn't impressive is engaging in a level of dishonesty I'm just not interested in right now.
hyperbertha
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Yeah next gen is totally not going to look better than crackdown 3 at ultra on PC.If you look past your brand loyalty then you'll see vfx is one of the few legit insiders here. Now if you don't like what he says then that's your problem.
Oh and @10TF that UE5 demo is not that impressive for what it's running at
TheSpecialOne
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VFX an insider? He has less credibility than timdog. Gaf has no insiders. The ones we had in the past departed.If you look past your brand loyalty then you'll see vfx is one of the few legit insiders here. Now if you don't like what he says then that's your problem.
Oh and @10TF that UE5 demo is not that impressive for what it's running at
sendit
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We have some of the smartest engineers and developers who are pro SSD. And then we have VFXVeteran who probably hasn't touched a lick of code in years if at all?
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At the same time it's not an actual game and apparently the engine won't even be out of early access for regular use until the end of next year. I'm sure we will see games that look as good if not better on PS5/XSX, but it might not be for a few years yet.
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rofif
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Graphics are important but for example when I play 2007 the darkness each year, it's the audio, atmosphere, characters that start with me. It helps that the game looked incredible when it came out so it ages well but it still ages so graphics are a passing thing. But after 2007 or so, games slowed aging as we reached heights of better 3d graphics
onesvenus
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Yeah, we haven't seen any ps5 games so they might not look like this. The thing though is that we have current PC games and we also have eyes. No PC game looks like this.
So maybe we need to doubt ps5 games will look like this, that's true, but saying that current PC games look like this is just a big lie.
Omega Supreme Holopsicon
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That was not playable. In cutscenes it has been surpassed. This is playable.
Stiflers Mom
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I have to admit, I am eating a bit of crow as well at the moment.
Wouldn't have expected such a graphical leap.
That stuff shown yesterday looks like magic.
I am happy to be wrong, and excited for next gen.
CuteFaceJay
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I think he may have been hinting about the Unreal 5 demo that was shown.
Kokoloko85
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Ign knows shit all. Whos trust them with there "e3" show lol
LazyParrot
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He never did say that, though. He just said "next gen = PC this gen", which is more or less true in terms of capability. Current PCs would run this just fine, and some would even run it better.
I have my doubts about just how much this demo being "playable" is indicative of what we can expect for actual games. The first thing I noticed when I watched the video was that while the environments looked extremely good, the player character didn't. In fact, she wouldn't look out of place in a current gen game, to the point where she almost seems cartoonish in comparison to the world surrounding her. Apart from her, some bats, bugs, and birds (which were so tiny/far away that you couldn't tell how detailed they were), a bit of flapping cloth and some falling rocks, nothing in the entire demo was animated. All the stuff that looked really good was static geometry.
There was probably a reason they set this entire thing in a rocky canyon instead of, say, a dense forest with swaying trees or a city with tons of moving cars and people. Most of these fancy tricks don't work with traditionally designed game assets that need to be animated. Taking a super detailed statue right out of ZBrush and slapping it into your game is super neat, but you can't do anything else with an asset like that. I doubt we'll see games sustaining that level of detail on next gen consoles unless they're basically walking simulators, especially not at 4K/60 FPS (which I'm pretty sure this demo wasn't even running at.)
onesvenus
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So, just to be clear. When you say Current PCs what do you mean? Is my laptop that I bought three years ago a current PC? Is a macbook air a current PC? That's what I'm getting at, high-end PCs built this year might run this demo but not low or middle range PCs,. When "next gen = PC this gen" is said it includes a wide range of hardware, some would be able to run it, some not. That's what I'm saying
LazyParrot
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If it runs as well or better on hardware you can currently buy, then that's enough. Whether or not every single PC or laptop you can buy right now can run it is besides the point. Someone who talks about PC performance on a gaming board obviously isn't talking about Macbooks or 5-year-old Dell laptops, and it's disingenuous at best to assume that they are.
That being said, I'm fairly confident this demo would run just fine at comparable settings on something like a first generation Ryzen 8 core paired with a 1080 or 1080Ti (which will be ~4 years old by the time those consoles are out). Epic said themselves that the tech is so scalable that a lot of it would work even on current gen consoles, so it's probably safe to assume even a mid to low range gaming PC could get close enough without too much of a loss in visual quality and performance.
replicant-
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Oh, IGN.
Every so often I get reminded why I don't visit that clown show of a site. This is one of them.
Every so often I get reminded why I don't visit that clown show of a site. This is one of them.
Omega Supreme Holopsicon
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No he did say that. Every time someone said thered be a big visual jump he said no there wont be. He said we only are bandwidth limited. He said nextgen games will only look like current pc games at max setting. He said the ssd wouldnt improve graphics.
He even suggested horizon 1 pc port would look better than horizon 2.
Everytime someone said theres a jump in quality with new console generations, he said no.
Everytime we said consoles raise the baseline and limit pc games looks he said no.
He said games are developed on pc first and downscaled.
All the time hes been downplaying nextgen and telling people theyre in denial and to not expect a significant jump in detail.
LazyParrot
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