Cyberpunkd
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Making Daenerys queen would have been a perfect ending and highlight key concept about GoT - nobody wins, even if you win you are still fucked.
George RR Martin's latest blog post has broken me.
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FullMetalx117
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Echoing some others - I thought the ending was fine but execution was horrible. Makes sense what happened to Dany with the 'balance in the world', 'ice and fire' theme but her going 'mad' just didn't make sense in a span of an episode. Many were actually sympathetic to Dany from the casual betrayals she got from the likes of the north/Sansa after saving them all. But still, in the end with the white walker threat gone, she was a god amongst man and there would be imbalance.
I've gotten into the lore, I really like the theories of children of the forest essentially creating Targaryens/their bond with dragons to fight the threat (which they also accidentally created). Cool stuff, I wish the show got more into it.
I've gotten into the lore, I really like the theories of children of the forest essentially creating Targaryens/their bond with dragons to fight the threat (which they also accidentally created). Cool stuff, I wish the show got more into it.
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What shocks me is that HBO didn't just let D&D go when they wanted out and get new showrunners to carry on for the extra season or 2 they needed to do it right.
I kinda think GoT was TOO POPULAR for HBO, they never really knew how to handle it, handle the merch, and capitalize on it all, so they were sorta happy to wrap it up and get back to the lower profile but critically acclaimed stuff they were more familiar with.
I'm guessing GRRM would have her be queen for about half a book until her madness overwhelms her and Jon has to put her down.
Artoris
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I think Jon does not kill Dany but the ending in the book is similar to the ending in the series as when all the nobles sit in the circle onwards
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
I'm half drunk and glancing at my bookcase. On the second shelf I see hardback editions of ASOIAF.
I then decide to see if there has been any Winds news.
I then find this. George talking about Winds being his "curse" and how it's taken so long because:
"There's no doubt Winds of Winter is 13 years late. I'm still working on it. I have periods where I make progress and then other things divert my attention and suddenly I have a deadline for one of the HBO shows, I have something else to do."
Well, at least he's admitting it. Winds is taking so long because he has other projects that he took on. Lots from HBO. George can do what he likes, but if I was in his position then ASOIAF would be my priority.
I then cracked open another bottle of Old Tom Cat ale to drown the sorrows of forever having an unfinished masterpiece on my shelf.
Winds isn't coming. In the slim chance it does, Dream is absolutely never going to see the light of day.
www.independent.co.uk
I then decide to see if there has been any Winds news.
I then find this. George talking about Winds being his "curse" and how it's taken so long because:
"There's no doubt Winds of Winter is 13 years late. I'm still working on it. I have periods where I make progress and then other things divert my attention and suddenly I have a deadline for one of the HBO shows, I have something else to do."
Well, at least he's admitting it. Winds is taking so long because he has other projects that he took on. Lots from HBO. George can do what he likes, but if I was in his position then ASOIAF would be my priority.
I then cracked open another bottle of Old Tom Cat ale to drown the sorrows of forever having an unfinished masterpiece on my shelf.
Winds isn't coming. In the slim chance it does, Dream is absolutely never going to see the light of day.
George RR Martin calls long overdue Game of Thrones novel ‘the curse of my life’
‘I have periods where I make progress and then other things divert my attention,’ admitted the author
www.independent.co.uk
Klosshufvud
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I will always be amazed at how such a smart mind can be so easily distracted. Even he must know all that HBO crap he's been working on is secondary to his magnum opus. But he still goes on doing it. Like it's so shameless and impulsive. Maybe GRRM is a bit addicted to the fame and glamour of TV? He certainly has a tendency of showing up at every awards show in the history of mankind.I'm half drunk and glancing at my bookcase. On the second shelf I see hardback editions of ASOIAF.
I then decide to see if there has been any Winds news.
I then find this. George talking about Winds being his "curse" and how it's taken so long because:
"There's no doubt Winds of Winter is 13 years late. I'm still working on it. I have periods where I make progress and then other things divert my attention and suddenly I have a deadline for one of the HBO shows, I have something else to do."
Well, at least he's admitting it. Winds is taking so long because he has other projects that he took on. Lots from HBO. George can do what he likes, but if I was in his position then ASOIAF would be my priority.
I then cracked open another bottle of Old Tom Cat ale to drown the sorrows of forever having an unfinished masterpiece on my shelf.
Winds isn't coming. In the slim chance it does, Dream is absolutely never going to see the light of day.
George RR Martin calls long overdue Game of Thrones novel ‘the curse of my life’
‘I have periods where I make progress and then other things divert my attention,’ admitted the author
And yes this masterpiece will remain unfinished. I had half a mind of reading ADWD again because it's so intricate and multi-layered but then I figured, what's the point? It's not going to lead anywhere anyways. I would never imagine reading ADWD when I was still in High School that I would wait for the successor with a finished degree and several years into a career. I would probably not have bothered at all if I did know.
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NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
I started reading ASOIAF in college. I am now about to retire. My ENTIRE PROFESSIONAL CAREER fits within this series
I read the first three books in 2000 and now 25 years have passed, still no Winds of Winter has been released
Avid Reading Horse
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The last two books were boring slogs anyway. It's been 25 years since he put out a good mainline ASoIaF book. There's zero chance he'll be able to somehow not only put out two good books to finish this bitch off, but also overcome the 'spoilers' of the stupid HBO version of the ending.
AI will read the books, watch the show, ingest the manuscript pages after he expires, and then we get an ending.
JimmyRustler
Member
Internet has been a curse of most of the artist's productivity. It's just crazy to think how much people used to churn out.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Dude I was in Highschool and a sophomore when I read the first three book, than a junior/senior in college when A Feast For Crows came out, than in 2011 is when A Dance For Dragons came out. I've been waiting for Winds of Winter ever since. My guess is that the reaction to the show ending is what made him scared so he's stuck on how to finish his series
DKehoe
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That's a pity you weren't as into the last two books. I think ADWD was probably my favourite in the series.
kruis
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Martin doesn't want another writer to finish the series after his death. He's 76 years old and obese, it's 100% certain by now that he'll die before he can finish the series. The only question is whether he'll have finished at least Winds of Winter when that happens.
JimmyRustler
Member
I meant that as a general statement, not just GRRM. There are many other artists who used to churn out much more stuff when they were more bored. See Miura and Berserk and compare his early days in the 80s vs. shortly before he passed. Insane difference.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
I remember Miura had an addiction to this Idol videogame series and it would always make me chuckle to see all those Miura memes about Idolmaster (Think that was the name) and Berserk
MrCunningham
Member
Is The Winds of Winter the Half-Life 3 of novels?
Klosshufvud
Member
You know Internet really is a double edged sword. Lots of creative people are surely wasted on being surf zombies. On the plus side, you also have the guys that used to create weird fringe political parties 80 years ago who today are content browsing their discord/subreddit/IG feed until they fall asleep. I often think about the Internet as this great distractor of the uneasy mind. It surely attracts the people most who feel understimulated by everyday activities.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
I actually enjoyed Feast, but it wasn't anything close to the epic that was Storm. I agree that Dance was a slog. That book came across as filler material.
I think one of the reasons is because he's made some serious changes and started the book from scratch. He must of. In 2015 he told his publishers he'd have the book done in October that year, so it must have been almost done at that point.
I'd rather another author have a crack. I wouldn't bother if AI touches it.
I feel the same. Once that book comes out (if it ever does) then we'd still need to wait for the Dream. Seems pointless.
And yeah, what a waste. Could have been one of the greatest fantasy series of all time. Still can be if we ever see an end.
Better than Storm? Really? My word, that is a hot take.
He made these comments years ago. A time when he thought he'd finish the series before the show ended.
We know he's not going to finish the series. He knows it. I'm sure his publishers know it.
I'm 100% confident there is a contingency plan in place if the unfortunate happens. It's not just a question of money. It would be the right thing to do for his fans and also ensures he leaves a positive legacy.
DownLikeBCPowder
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I only read these recently - last year in fact. Loved them and could not put them down once I started and barreled through all of them in sequence in a very short period of time, the third book was my favorite (if I recall correctly). After doing a little research on how long he's been "working" on the follow ups, I immediately concluded it would never come out and he would instead die first so I came to peace with that pretty quickly, but it's still disappointing even as someone new to the series.
DKehoe
Member
Storm is great! Don't get me wrong, I totally get why it seems to be most people's favourite. I remember reading it and it blowing my mind with all the crazy shit that happened.
But while Storm blows up the status quo, FeastDance then examines the fallout of that in a way I think is fascinating. With Dance you also have stuff like Quentyn Martell's story where someone who clearly isn't the main character, who the stars aren't aligning for like they are for Dany, gets shoved down the path of the hero's journey, because others have convinced him that's who he has to be.
Madflavor
Member
Fell outta love with ASOIAF to be honest. Just done with it. Season 7&8 of the HBO series was so outrageously bad that it ruined the entire series for me. And GRRM is never going to finish the books, and quite frankly I'm sick of his attitude about the whole thing. Who the fuck takes 13 years to finish a book? I can't imagine being an author, having my story become a worldwide phenomenon, and just never deliver the next part of the story. Fuck this guy.
Kittehkraken
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Tolkien.
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NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Unfortunately I found Book 4 and Book 5 to be boring as hell in comparison to the previous three books. There was only a couple of things I liked about Book 4 and 5
DownLikeBCPowder
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Yeah, while I enjoyed reading them, book 5 was a big downhill slide for me. I still liked 4 quite a bit, but 3 was the peak for me and started heading down.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
What I liked about his books is how each chapter is written in 3rd Person but focused on one character. That's what made the Meek Chapters so effective for me. When that twist hits, it hits hard
I don't hate the show but I always found it weird that they never included Lady Stoneheart
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I feel ya lol. What a huge let down that was.
DownLikeBCPowder
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I never finished the show. I watched a few seasons and enjoyed it, but have yet to sit down and watch the whole thing. Maybe one day.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
I didn't hate the show because I went in with lowered expectations especially when it came to the last two seasons
Madflavor
Member
What are you talking about?
Cyberpunkd
Member
Even if that was the case people forget Tolkien had a regular job - a university professor - in addition to writing his books + he actually wrote ridiculous amount of material about Middle-Earth, just check all the History of Middle-Earth books.
winjer
Member
Don't bother. After season 4, it starts to go down hill.
And the last 2 seasons are a complete shit show. The drop in quality is gigantic, almost to the point of insult.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
This.
Also, nobody in the public was expecting a grand sequel to the Hobbit. It was a one and done book. It was only when the publishers enquired about sequel did Tolkien have the idea to finally publish some of his Middle-earth material.
Can't be compared to George Martin or Partick Rothfuss.