echoshifting
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George W Bush liked Kimmel's Oscars intro, loves Michelle Obama, & talks Will Ferrell
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Exactly this
Go fuck yourself W. So many veterans had their lives ruined by your stupid pointless war.
Obliterator
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I can agree with that. There are still policies he had I wouldn't have agreed with I'm sure, but I bet if he had just been a peacetime President things wouldn't have went all that poorly really.
CloudyTuba
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He's a very likable guy day to day. If he was the janitor at your school you would have loved him. Just...not who you want running the country, or anything of value really.
Maybe not an FDR considering the internment camp implications, but I see what you mean.
He along with Cheney are war criminals. It's as simple as that. In their personal lives, they might be compassionate and caring people. That doesn't justify the atrocities that they are responsible for.
Obama knows exactly what Bush is up to in that third pic
Obliterator
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Bush is going for that "Mr Steal Your Girl" and Obama is having none of it lol
Words mean nothing when you go on to invade and occupy two countries.
He has a new book of portraits he drew of veterans and his press tour has yielded some likable interviews. The videos are less than 20 minutes combined but they are split up for YouTube
From Jimmy Kimmel's Live: On Trump, Cheney's gun mishap, where he gets his news, being able to joke about yourself, and more...
Part 1 https://youtu.be/5F4eYVSk07k
Part 2 https://youtu.be/BOUfPWKdAas
Part 3 https://youtu.be/6SUU8LhidU4
Part 4 https://youtu.be/r-nUyoW_BO0
Part 5 https://youtu.be/XaNPO2o2XZk
Part 6 https://youtu.be/GkpOIgmcStA
And him and Jimmy try to sketch each other
Part 7 https://youtu.be/sriYmFBvOsE
He is a fan of Michelle Obama:
Basically Bush is on a "see I wasn't as bad as the current guy was I!?" tour? I've seen him in articles sucking up to the people base for a few days now
.To be fair he recently warned about the dangers of wielding such power - he said that it's corrosive and you have to be really careful with it. I think that at his core, Bush is a good guy. I certainly don't agree with going into war and sacrificing so many people (deaths and others' physical and mental well-being).
Having said that though, had he been surrounded by decent people instead of that asshole Cheney, he would've been a better president. For sure though, he was woefully unqualified to handle what happened during his tenure.
Having said that though, had he been surrounded by decent people instead of that asshole Cheney, he would've been a better president. For sure though, he was woefully unqualified to handle what happened during his tenure.
You're right, but he said them before the US invaded.
gutter_trash
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an interesting look a W was a documentary made by Pelosi's daughter during the 2000 campaign
he is a people person and knows how to woo liberals into liking him for his personality
Pt1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEzTn1khVAM
Pt2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C37wfPXNx2Y
he is a people person and knows how to woo liberals into liking him for his personality
Pt1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEzTn1khVAM
Pt2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C37wfPXNx2Y
Does that make it somehow better?
Joel Was Right
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I feel like GWB says a lot of noting, to be honest. Blabbers.
Bonen no Max'd
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His dad explained why invading Iraq was a terrible idea, I'm nor letting him off the hook for staffing his inner circle with a bunch of neocons. His cabinet were neocons because he's a neocon.
got an idea for dubya's next portrait:
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You really need to read his book Decision Points. He was rightly called out a lot for his actions as President, but he also got sheer vitriol for things out his hands. He probably did more for Africa as a President than President Obama but gets told he doesn't care about black people, as we have seen in the years since, sometimes the President is no more than a puppet and others pull the strings etc. The military industrial complex, warhawks like Rumsfeld and Cheney pushed for those things.
In the face of Trump, think about the fact George W. Bush was booed by people during his final walk as President. History will judge him a lot less than he was during his 8 years in office. If anything, he just wasn't an effective President and more a pawn. He will be rightly blamed for Iraq, one of the greatest blunders in American history sure. It is far too early to judge Trump's presidency as well but we can start to see how it will play out.
In the face of Trump, think about the fact George W. Bush was booed by people during his final walk as President. History will judge him a lot less than he was during his 8 years in office. If anything, he just wasn't an effective President and more a pawn. He will be rightly blamed for Iraq, one of the greatest blunders in American history sure. It is far too early to judge Trump's presidency as well but we can start to see how it will play out.
Even for all of his faults, I do wonder if he'll be viewed as the last conservative president of his type assuming that the current populism of the party holds in the coming years. Even for a Republican, his entire style seems so moderate in comparison to where we are now, its crazy to think that Republicans even tried to cross the aisle years ago.
Zvonimir Boban
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Yep.
Can't wait for people in 20 years to tell me "We should cut Trump some slack, it was really Bannon who was the bad guy"
echoshifting
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It seems likelier to me that he will be remembered as the first modern anti-intellectual president
Red Blaster
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bush is smart as hell, he realizes how many marks are swindled by optics and affectations
We're already seeing that happen.
I mean, a "good president" wouldn't have let his power hungry, money loving, publicity avoiding plutocrat of a VP determine all of the White House's decisions, so.... no?
Reverend Funk
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What an adorable war criminal
Joel Was Right
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got an idea for dubya's next portrait:
And yet what led to this is present now more than ever in the Republican Party, as seen by their election of a man who openly glorifies this sort of treatment. Clearly, this was not purely down to the gung-ho nature of the Bush administration, but rather a deep seeded, dangerous levels of bigotry and ignorance.
The guy okayed torture, "extraordinary renditions", and started a completely unprovoked war for no reason. Bush's America was being arrested for wearing a t-shirt, having "free speech zones", the PATRIOT act, the financial crisis, and having NASA climate change reports censored by policy wonks with no scientific background.
So because Bush perfectly encapsulates the cruelty, xenophobia, and anti-science of the party it's not his fault?
I was going to write up a paragraph about how I feel that sly dog Dubya should fuck off, but you nailed it perfectly.
Zvonimir Boban
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Yeah but he looked funny trying to put that poncho so it all evens out right?
I mean, we got Bush in the first place (besides Supreme Court shenanigans) because Gore came off like a piece of cardboard and Bush was "the guy I'd like to have a beer with."
Overall I think absent the Iraq War Bush would have been a decent president. There's plenty I wouldn't have liked (privatizing social security, and FEMA's failures would still likely have happened even without attention diverted elsewhere) and plenty I would have (Republicans actually listening to Hispanic concerns and nearly passing sensible immigration reform, the massive amount of work Bush did with combating AIDS in Africa, Laura Bush's literacy campaign.)
Some stuff, like the PATRIOT act and failure to head off the financial crisis, wouldn't have been addressed with any like president, even a Democrat, frankly, as Obama's critical weakness on non-minority civil rights shows.
Macho Madness
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He tried to privatize social security and called for a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.
Alex_Mexico
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Im not a fan of GWB like many here but I think I speak for everyone when I say I'd take this guy back over Trump ANY FUCKING DAY.
apocalidiot
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Seriously
Anyone who is cutting GWB slack makes me fucking sick. "He was in over his head" - this is irrelevant whether or not it is true (and it probably is). What the fuck is wrong with you people
....I'd ship it
Would that not be correct? You honestly think Donald Trump comes up with plans for Victims of Immigration Crime Engagement and profiling immigrant criminals on his own, or is white nationalist Steve Bannon now on the National Security Council who vowed to use Trump as a blunt instrument to enact his goals and to deconstruct the US federal government responsible. You can look deeper at things than surface level. Of course Trump will be blamed, but there is wide gulf between Bush being personally responsible like you want to believe and what we really know which is that Karl Rove, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and others used a naive President and used him to enforce their goals. The power of the military industrial complex, is strong enough that even under Obama, drone strikes and invasions into Libya and other nations didn't stop. Hell they were so close to forcing Obama into invading Syria and overthrowing Assad. It is why Guantanamo never closed, why troops are still in Afghanistan and why Mccain and Lindsay Graham were on CNN yesterday saying we never should have left Iraq either.
orangutang
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My favorite war criminal uWu xD.
Uh... I mentioned privatizing social security, and B) http://www.pewforum.org/2016/05/12/changing-attitudes-on-gay-marriage/
He was wrong, but so was the majority of the country at that point.
Guantanamo didn't close because of the whims of military contractors, it didn't close because we have nowhere to put a lot of these guys. They've been in prison for years and often can't go back to their original countries, and no one else (certainly not the US) wants them.
Zvonimir Boban
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Where's all the "awwww, poor Trump" posts then? Let's get the defence force going for the senile old man being played by his advisors, Trump could be a good president if he had a nice cabinet so let's not be mean to him right?
Just because Bannon is a despicable cunt like Cheney and Rumsfeld doesn't mean Trump and Bush don't also deserve condemnation.
Fuck Bush, he knew exactly what he was doing.
You'll hear the odd whispered complaint about extrajudicial killings via drone strikes, clamping down on whistleblowers, the continuing erosion of civil liberties, you know the kinda shit people are terrified about now that Trump is in the White House.
But for the most part Obama was charismatic as hell, a Democrat and his election ended racism in the US forever so he's cool.
He's a smaller war criminal who didn't kill as many of our own in the process, so he generally gets a pass. Out of sight, out of mind.
Most liberals would probably give him a pass and just ignore it. But make no mistake, he is one too.
Sheriff_Battlesnake
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I think GWB could play a role in bringing traditional conservatives back to reality. If anything, correcting his course and doing something productive is worth something.
Red Blaster
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the silver lining with trump is that he and his administration have showcased thus far that they're completely incompetent at all levels
they could never be as shrewd as getting someone like colin powell to lie to the un about wmds
they could never be as shrewd as getting someone like colin powell to lie to the un about wmds
sixteen-bit
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Why is this war criminal on a PR tour all of a sudden?
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