Muffin1611
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Germany hate crime: Nearly 10 attacks a day on migrants in 2016
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You have no idea what you are talking about.
He could become the next superstar DJ
Darth Ghandi
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OP do you distinguish between migrants and refugees?
I don't think he's realising that these hate crimes don't only include immigrants.
echoshifting
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Pretty offensive angle, op
Water is wet.
Not sure what you understand under coping but absorbing 1.2 million people within 1 1/2 years and having a record high surplus while being the fastest growing G7 economy seems pretty good.
You think germany is in some kind of turmoil? Stop reading the daily mail and the express.
I saw a similar internet comment elsewhere after the recent Quebec terrorist attack on their mosque. Dude was saying that: yeah, that's just what you get when the government pushes mass migration of Muslims on people and push them to the limit where they snap (paraphrasing).
1. It's not the government's fault you snapped
2. You wouldn't give immigrants an excuse if they did this
3. The social tension is made worse by people's fears and xenophobia
4. Anger and fear is not an excuse. Especially when it's way too disproportionate.
It's like an abusive husband screaming "you made me hit you" after he beats his wife
1. It's not the government's fault you snapped
2. You wouldn't give immigrants an excuse if they did this
3. The social tension is made worse by people's fears and xenophobia
4. Anger and fear is not an excuse. Especially when it's way too disproportionate.
It's like an abusive husband screaming "you made me hit you" after he beats his wife
"coping"
Germany is one of the strongest nations in the world lol
some serious brexit logic itt
Muffin1611
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Yes, pretty much.
The refugee crisis was overloading our infrastructure when it was in full force for sure - but we're way past that. And it wasn't as bad as some people (i dunno, the AfD maybe) want to make you believe. But it's easy to instrumentalize, we all know that.
Also, you're not differentiating between immigrants and refugees. We had to take a lot of the latter, what caused the problems for a while, because it was sudden.
Maybe you're gonna tell me how we're not coping if you're so convinced of it? Because last time I checked, it seemed like we're just having the normal little problems every country has that allows immigration, no catastrophe taking place. Hell, I probably know our crime statistics by the BKA of the last two years in and out by know, because I have to explain it every time to people like you who don't bother to do some research themselves and assume what they want to assume.
The only reason Germany has been able to absorb those people is because of the currently good economy. The burden will be felt when times are not so good and then people will rightfully ask why the heck we imported millions of undereducated people. And no, those two syrian doctors and engineers are not going to save the german economy.
And then tensions will be felt.
Well the elections are coming, and I predict the immigration policy will dominate the election
While i partly agree the issue would not be the people we have accepted but our government over the past years going to deep into austerity.
The CDU and the rest of the right will of course use refugees as a scapegoat but the failure of investment in education and infrastructure has nothing to do with the refugees.
If we look at the current polls 85-92% of the german vote will go towards continuation of Merkels policy or opening up even more.
Nice try though
Muffin1611
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I dunno about you, but I certainly remember that we didn't "import" them, but took them in because their country was getting bombed to ash. The concept of "refugee" also entails being sent back when the country of origin is safe enough again, you know?
But go on, whine about how people fleeing for their lifes from a war the EU certainly has some responsibility for are ruining countries.
I'll take that bit of humanitarianism in exchange for a potentially slightly worse economy, thank you.
Because trash racist politicians know that it works well for trash racist voters?
walking fiend
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First they came after the Jews and that was their problem, causing all that social tension... Oops
Muffin1611
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Sorry to have to break it to you, but right now the parties that are even more for an open door policy are getting traction. It seems like our government will stay the way it is or move a bit to the left in the election.
Surprised at that, I read the other day she was proposing a policy to spend 90 million euros on getting the refugees to cancel their asylum application and go home
http://opslens.com/2017/02/24/angela-merkel-refugees-germany-europe/
I have not heard of this paper FYI
Come on are you joking with these sources?
What's next? Breitbart? Infowars? Daily Mail?
Muffin1611
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Regardless of the obvious spin in this article, it's also blatantly false.
Merkel isn't giving 90 million to refugees so they cancel their applications, Merkel invests the 90 million so already rejected refugees get sent back faster and better by investing into return and reintegration programs.
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deuts...en-mit-16-punkte-plan-erhoehen-a-1133615.html
It's breathtaking how hard it seems to be for people to inform themselves, but so much easier to tell everyone their uninformed opinions.
Frankfurter
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On what basis?
This is about refugees whose asylum request was denied or will be denied anyway.
Fakeedit: I'm late on this.
Why not tell me if it is true or not then, as their are multiple sources, who do you want
Muffin1611
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Probably didn't see it as you were writing, but it is false, so, you know.
On the basis that if you stick your head outside of neogaf you will probably not like what you see, for all it strengths neogaf is a hive of left thinking people,
brexit..
Trump.
Most common responses before they happened..... can't happen, won't happen. So I base my view on the feeling that a lot of the developed world is starting to move right, for the time being at least
I'm sorry but that is the same thing, just worded differently... 90 million to return people who would not of been there had she not had a open arm policy, gloss it how you like.... same policy different wording
Frankfurter
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Fair enough. Just for your information: There is no way that the German government moves to the right after this upcoming election
That's just not true. The "open arm policy" was never meant for people that didn't have a right to be accepted as refugees. So obviously their asylum request would have been denied any way.
Fair enough. Just for your information. There is no way that the German government moves to the right after this upcoming election
I agree with that, my statement was, immigration will dominate the election.... and I stand by it.... it was never Merkel will lose ( well she might) but the party, but immigration will be the dominant issue
Frankfurter
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I just don't see how it possibly could. There are lots of other issues and immigration isn't a hot topic at all right now. We'd basically need another 1 million refugees to come to Germany within the next couple of months for that to happen.
Muffin1611
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No seriously, you are just trolling at this point. You were insinuating that Merkel was somehow bribing refugees to cancel their application, when it was Merkel investing into programs so already rejected refugees have a bigger incentive to return to their home. It's not remotely the same, it's just embarrassing that you want to make it out to be so it doesn't conflict with your uninformed worldview.
Not sure if posting basically as they say "fake news" and insisting on it when already proven wrong is a bannable offense, but I sure hope it is.
Palculator
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Plonker of the week award.
From the same paper you use...
http://www.spiegel.de/international...cy-has-merkel-on-the-defensive-a-1134302.html
No seriously, you are just trolling at this point. You were insinuating that Merkel was somehow bribing refugees to cancel their application, when it was Merkel investing into programs so already rejected refugees have a bigger incentive to return to their home. It's not remotely the same, it's just embarrassing that you want to make it out to be so it doesn't conflict with your uninformed worldview.
Not sure if posting basically as they say "fake news" and insisting on it when already proven wrong is a bannable offense, but I sure hope it is.
Would she need the 90 million if Germany had operated a proper immigration policy rather than open arms? Whether or not you agree with it, does not change that you are now spending money that could of been avoided. There is a saying in the U.K... the horse has bolted..... this is what this policy is.
We are going around in circles so best leave it there
Muffin1611
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What are you even on about? That doesn't disprove anything of what I said. Even if this is just you trying to deflect, I'll go along with it anyway.
At the high point of the refugee crisis Germany had some problems. Correct. I said that before. Are there now some people who blame Merkel for it and won't vote for her? Yes. Are all of those who vote AfD now instead (which polls at around 9% btw) because they oppose an open door policy falling for populism and are probably racist shitheads? Yes.
It's especially funny that you took that out of context and want to paint it so that more and more German citizens reject the open door policy, when the article is about Martin Schulz, the SPD candidate, getting more traction. Who is left of Merkels CDU, btw.
Messofanego
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He voted for the Brexit. What do you expect where these kind of people get their news to come to such dumb decisions? lol
Muffin1611
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You're deflecting again. Stop deflecting and own up to it when you use biased and false articles to make your point.
Don't worry I mis read, I thought it was to response on how immigration will be the hot topic. Not the policy on repatriation
No, no point going around in circles you made your point I made mine, we can not agree, so just leave it there
You may not of noticed, it was not just me who voted for brexit you know, on NeoGaf, possibly last one standing, in real world there was a few more, so a lot of dumb people, or not
Palculator
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Muffin1611
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You're disagreeing on the basis of false articles. So yeah, sure, we can disagree on that, it just takes away from your ability to have an informed discussion.
He's saying a lot of people have done something dumb, so it must be smarter than you think.
Lol, do you know how many times I have been banned since I said I voted for brexit? lol cmon...neogaf is a hive mentality there is no informed discussion, there is agree with the majority or be set upon until a mod comes in and bans you....I learnt that after my 5th banning...so now I say my point carefully and walk away, discussion of different views has to be done elsewhere....ergo you were also calling for me to be banned a few posts up...so yeah informed discussion....
Silver Arrows
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TIL voting to become independent of the EU to spite everyone else and drive those damn immigrants out = 'something dumb'
oh yeah, it's definitely dumb
oh yeah, it's definitely dumb
Well one side has a lot of dumb people then, only history will tell us which
Silver Arrows
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History has already told us which side was dumb.
And I hate to tell you, but you're on that side mate. But enjoy taking back your country, or whatever the leave side tries to rally their troops around, you've fucked over the youth of Britain for some false narrative.
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