We are way OT so as much as I would like to see your data from your time machine, it will have to wait, or not as you have a time machine......or wait....or not.... mind blown
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Germany hate crime: Nearly 10 attacks a day on migrants in 2016
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We are way OT so as much as I would like to see your data from your time machine, it will have to wait, or not as you have a time machine......or wait....or not.... mind blown
kingkaiser
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I always have a good laugh when I see hyper-nationalistic Brits telling us how Germany should be governed.
Holy shit.
Ahahahahahahah oh man your lack of knowledge on this is really astonishing. All the ones that have the chance to win the elections are either for continuing Merkel's policies, or make it even more open.
Thankfully Germany knows that far-right nationalist fuckwits will bring far more damage than immigration will ever manage to, and that's why AfD is dropping lower and lower the closer it gets to the election.
We established that, does not mean it won't be a hot topic...also you know you don't have to be a far right nationalist fuckwit to want a proper immigration policy.....and it was attitudes like that which caused UKIPS surge in the UK, when the then prime minister called every ukip voter a closet racist.... for clarity, wanting actual goverment polices does not make you racist or a fuckwit
Messofanego
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Pretty sure you're arguing for my case that there are indeed a lot of people who made dumb decisions by voting for Brexit. Heck, 60 million people voted for Trump, and they're mostly regretting it now.
Frankfurter
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Considering Trumps approval rate is at ~45% or so, I don't think that's the case actually.
It is what happens when people realise according to polling data, leave would win again if the referendum was rerun....blows their mind
Palculator
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What is your view? Despite your British nationalism you seem to have a tenuous grasp on the English language, so it might not be coming through. The main point in the OP seems to be that violent racists are upset and lash out at immigrants, somehow concluding that this "tension" is the fault of the victims.
Before you go on about how immigration will dominate the election again, which isn't even true, remember that Merkel's main contender Schulz is actually more liberal than her. He's not set to beat her due to his stance on refugees either, because the main parties making a huge stink about asylum seekers are those dangerously far to the right.
Every ukip voter is indeed a closet racist.
"Actual government policies"?
From the UKIP?
ayyyyyyyyyyyyyy
did you forget what happened post-Brexit? Those fuckers have no idea how to run anything.
David is that you? Cmon out yourself
anyway have to be up in 5 hours, time for some shut eyeTheGravemind
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no one here knows how they behave.
a week ago 2 pakistanis ( which shouldn't even be here in italy ) aged 29 and 28 year raped a 26 year old male near brindisi train station. one male "refugee" from tunisia( i didn't know tunisia was in war) has been arrested 4 times in a week for stealing, it was released in the same day each time and now is free again.
you talk thinking you have the moral highground but none of you knows what is happening in the outskirts of the cities here.
a week ago 2 pakistanis ( which shouldn't even be here in italy ) aged 29 and 28 year raped a 26 year old male near brindisi train station. one male "refugee" from tunisia( i didn't know tunisia was in war) has been arrested 4 times in a week for stealing, it was released in the same day each time and now is free again.
you talk thinking you have the moral highground but none of you knows what is happening in the outskirts of the cities here.
Complistic
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You're yelling at a wall.
are you really from the uk ?
So the victims of attacks in Germany, many of them children, had it coming?
Muffin1611
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Since you're in a thread about Germany, should I link you crime statistics for Germany that clearly show that rape isn't an immigrant/refugee thing?
You probably don't want to see it, that's why I'm asking.
What does that have to do with refugees/migrants being attacked in Germany?
It's almost like... immigrants and refugees... aren't... a monolith?! And that individuals do not represent the entire group?! And that... shockingly... many are just ordinary people fleeing a hellish landscape of war?????
Also 10/10 Tak3n does it again
Muffin1611
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Also always funny how refugees have to be from a war zone. Probably never heard of political persecution and the like, eh?
TheGravemind
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ohhh the poooooooooooor pooooooooooor childrens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbvTcDzwZAk
it happened in sicily too, a group of pooor Egyptians children tried to beat 2-3 locals with baseball bats, but they lost their weapons and got beaten ,of course right after they screamed racism. The newspapers said that the local children were racists and they were indoctrinated by their parents.
futhermore
80% of the migrants are adult males: some of them stole children from other people in order to pass the border,some others to receive more money from the welfare.
by allowing them to pass without any control, we are helping them to commit some of the worst crimes you can think of
TheGravemind
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a part of those who are now in germany passed trough italy but thank god they reached germany,now krauts have the same problem.
Right so you're just for unilaterally attacking migrants. I see.
Palculator
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TheGravemind
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yeah ordinary people
Muffin1611
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Ah, so you're using single incidents to pin refugees as the ones majorly committing heavy crimes like rape etc., got it.
Except our latest crime statistics show that for example 61% of every crime against sexual self-determination is done by relatives or acquaintances.
https://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Broschueren/2016/pks-2015.pdf?__blob=publicationFile
And now guess who majorly lives in Germany? Eh? Got it already? Probably not.
TheGravemind
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i am against violence in every way but we cant sustain this trend for long
this summer italy will be targeted again by migrants from libia ( thanks shillary), thousand of them, and things will only get worst if the trends continue
Messofanego
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Is it most immigrants not integrating and committing violence? Is it more immigrants raping versus natives of the country? All these incidents are bad, they should be stopped with more policing. But if they're not the majority, it's best to leave the generalisations. I'm sure you can make as strong a case against natives of a country.
Who's "shillary"?
Oh ok. Yeah, I get what you're doing.
Muffin1611
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Oh man, your cognitive dissonance is off the charts, wow.
TheGravemind
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does american schools not teach you fractions together with political correctness?
what i am saying is that the total lack of preparation,the lack of adequate laws and resources,uncertainty of punishment, the cultural differences and the MASSIVE amount of people coming is not sustainable. things will only get worst.
Muffin1611
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I'm a German, to your information. And I don't like it very much when people completely misrepresent situations in my country. Because what you're saying is complete horseshit.
TheGravemind
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pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff hahah
you have no idea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF9r4VvlsxA
Integration? what integration? there is no time, the refugees centres are overwhelmed, so there isn't a program to help them learn the western values and they don't want to.
TheGravemind
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yeah right, it's good to not be on the first line uh? why france and austria closed their border with italy last summer?
Muffin1611
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Maybe you should stop blaming refugees, immigrants and countries who do better than yours and start to blame yourself for your problems, because you're clearly very unhappy. So much that you can't tell reality from made up bullshit anymore.
I'll leave it at that.
TheGravemind
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your chancellor said to the whole world she would accept every migrants who arrived and now you blame greece and italy for failing to stop them
we should have never joined the union with you ungrateful people, and no need to thanks us for killing the christmas' terrorist , looks like we do better than you at stopping them. god knows where are the other members of his cells right now.
The problem here is not "mass migration". The problem is racist assholes and people like you defending them. Ugh.
Silver Arrows
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So we went from a Brexiter victim blaming to a hard core anti immigrant fear mongerer in this thread. Holy shit.
Ironically in a way that is almost pitch perfect to how Italian immigrants were demonised.
you obviously don't know the difference between migrants, immigrants and emigrants. You might want to stop posting - especially stop posting made up fake quotes of Merkel and all your other idiotic stuff.
Just because this is a typical Tak3n thread you're still not free to post whatever racist stuff that you want to.
TheGravemind
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i don't want to stop the immigration, the agricolture is a big part of italy economy, we need some sort of limit for year on it, holy fuck is that hard to understand?
right now the human traffickers decide when and how many, we don't even know their names when they arrive ( they throw away their documents).
TheGravemind
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my " fake" quotes are exactly how her words were perceived form the other side of the mediterranean sea.
many german news outlets also publish in english. Feel free to read some facts. Just because you think "how others may have perceived" something doesn't make the quote correct.
A lot of immigrants have done that. They've joined the military and fought for their country. Especially in America.
It's hard to imagine someone like you, who is incredibly scared, to do the same.
Muffin1611
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Especially disgusting considering the OP.
TheGravemind
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or i can walk 3 miles , enter in a refugee center and ask them what they thought when they left their countries
then do it.
Messofanego
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You're showing me an example of riots by migrants in Castel Volturno 2008 (not exactly a place of peace considering mafia killings, narco trafficking, and other criminality) that occurred as a response to the murder of six Africans by racists.
https://roarmag.org/essays/italy-castel-volturno-migrants/
In the warm days of July, history repeated itself when African migrants were once again brutally attacked by armed and xenophobic locals in the town of Castel Volturno, situated in the Neapolitan hinterlands. Sadly, but not unsurprisingly, it was not the violence against the migrant workers that made the headlines, but rather the uprising of indignant migrants that followed.
This uprising contributed to reigniting political and media debates about the dangers of the ghettos; the problematic cohabitation between natives and foreigners; the plague of organized crime in the Italian South; and the ever-alarming increase in the numbers of migrants arriving from the North African coasts.
This combination of frames directed public opinion towards the need to support policies that curb, contain, discipline and reject migrants, in the process silencing counter-hegemonic approaches that would seriously question causes, responses to and consequences of immigration. Moreover, it was easy to observe how the reports and analyses of the events depicted the migrants as the ones responsible for their own situations and held them self-accountable to their own ‘downfall'.
Few analyses addressed the events by questioning the conditions of marginalization, subordination and exploitation that produce and reproduce the lives and lived experiences of these people. Similarly, the reports ignored the conditions which make any human being in the same situation vulnerable to, and an easy target for legal and illegal acts of injustice, discrimination and violence.
This uprising contributed to reigniting political and media debates about the dangers of the ghettos; the problematic cohabitation between natives and foreigners; the plague of organized crime in the Italian South; and the ever-alarming increase in the numbers of migrants arriving from the North African coasts.
This combination of frames directed public opinion towards the need to support policies that curb, contain, discipline and reject migrants, in the process silencing counter-hegemonic approaches that would seriously question causes, responses to and consequences of immigration. Moreover, it was easy to observe how the reports and analyses of the events depicted the migrants as the ones responsible for their own situations and held them self-accountable to their own ‘downfall'.
Few analyses addressed the events by questioning the conditions of marginalization, subordination and exploitation that produce and reproduce the lives and lived experiences of these people. Similarly, the reports ignored the conditions which make any human being in the same situation vulnerable to, and an easy target for legal and illegal acts of injustice, discrimination and violence.
Six African innocent migrants murdered by a mafia clan:
It is along the Domitiana that six years ago, on September 18, 2008 the local and powerful mafia clan of Casalesi killed seven people in cold blood – one Italian and six African migrants. After murdering the owner of an arcade, the killers went outside and slaughtered six African immigrants from Ghana, Togo and Liberia, leaving their bodies riddled with dozens of bullets each. Only one survived, helping later identifying the killers.
The murdered migrants had no connection with the organized crime of the area. They were among the hundreds queuing every morning for the early morning bus to Naples, often overstaying until the next, being too many to get into one.
The 2008 manslaughter sparked strong reactions from the locals, but it was mainly among the African community that the resistance and voice against the racist murders arouse strongest and most resolute — a clear message that people do not tolerate to be intimidated, nor silenced by acts of brutal racist violence.
The murdered migrants had no connection with the organized crime of the area. They were among the hundreds queuing every morning for the early morning bus to Naples, often overstaying until the next, being too many to get into one.
The 2008 manslaughter sparked strong reactions from the locals, but it was mainly among the African community that the resistance and voice against the racist murders arouse strongest and most resolute — a clear message that people do not tolerate to be intimidated, nor silenced by acts of brutal racist violence.
After these riots, police got to patrolling more and people seemed to have started hunting Africans. More deportations and detentions. Migrants that are attacked daily still.
The recent uprising in Castel Volturno bears several similarities with the revolt of the African orange pickers that broke out in Rosarno, Calabria, in January 2010. Also in Rosarno, the reaction was triggered by the cold blooded attacks on two Africans who were injured by shots fired from a car on their way back from the fields after a day of work. As in Castel Volturno, the revolt of the Africans in Rosarno was met by the reaction of some of the natives, who wanted them to leave immediately.
Streets were patrolled and blocked by police; people started to hunt Africans in the district ‘to teach them a lesson'. Three days after the incident, all the working migrants who had been living in shacks at the outskirts of Rosarno were deported; buses sent by government authorities queued outside the area to transfer people to migrant detention centers.
Rosarno and Castel Volturno exemplify in our view forms of spontaneous rebellions initially induced by grave acts of violence but also involving the reaction from the subalterns against structural working, living and social conditions characterized by deprivation, dispossession, exploitation and discrimination.
Streets were patrolled and blocked by police; people started to hunt Africans in the district ‘to teach them a lesson'. Three days after the incident, all the working migrants who had been living in shacks at the outskirts of Rosarno were deported; buses sent by government authorities queued outside the area to transfer people to migrant detention centers.
Rosarno and Castel Volturno exemplify in our view forms of spontaneous rebellions initially induced by grave acts of violence but also involving the reaction from the subalterns against structural working, living and social conditions characterized by deprivation, dispossession, exploitation and discrimination.
That you use an example of a riot against murders as to make the point that migrants don't want to integrate is a bit suspect.
TheGravemind
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of course they were "innocent" they are always innocent, don't you know it ? xD
there are many videos, but that one was the only one with subtitles. if you understand italian and neapolitan here is another video
the black girl you see said that the 2008 execution was right xD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2sqH2Ef3_k
TheGravemind
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airmangataosenai
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Doing a heck of a job Merkel! Way to go.
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