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I think it was I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry that turned the tide of public opinion in the States.

You laugh, but Modern Family actually had a demonstrable impact

 

[Yoshi]

Merkel voted no?!?!??!

Wow, what a horrible PM Germany has..

She's a conservative from a specifically Christian party, what do you expect?

 

[jelly]

Wow, she voted against it. That's disappointing. Glad it went through. Progression takes time, keep it up.

 

[Bedameister]

Something I don't get... why isn't Same Sex Marriage something that the entire EU as a bloc has to affirm?

I think many eastern europe states would rather leave the EU than let this happen

 

[Deleted member 1235]

Bloody hell, talk about my own ignorance. I genuinely thought Germany had legalised same-sex marriage.

I thought same and i live next door.

edit: I'm less opposed to 'civil unions' than a lot of people. I know demanding outright equality is an easy thing to do, but I see civil unions as a necessary first step to make the public at large realise society isn't being destroyed, slowly accept the idea and then phase in marriage. It's great it's all happening, it's a shame we need this long to accept things, but I think it also can't be forced or you get a backlash and people become a bit more radical in their anti stance.

double edit: oh shit it passed nice job Germany!

 

[Patrick Bateman]

I think many eastern europe states would rather leave the EU than let this happen

Many?
Poland and Hungary. I'm not sure about the rest.

 

[Hazzuh]

All of the gushing praise of Merkel on here makes much more sense when you realise people don't seem to know anything about her actual politics.

 

[Moff]

US gaf was apparently under the impression Merkel was a liberal.

 

[cromofo]

Politicians are politicians. They will lie and flip flop to get that chair.

Nothing new. Seems like people believe them too much. Most of them are in their own world, they don't give a shit about you.

 

[Diprosalic]

Merkel voted no?!?!??!

Wow, what a horrible PM Germany has..

The fact that you are surprised by this is funny and concerning.

 

[Linkyn]

US gaf was apparently under the impression Merkel was a liberal.

To be fair, it's not a black-or-white attribute. You can be liberal on some issues and conservative on others, or even somewhere in-between.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

US gaf was apparently under the impression Merkel was a liberal.

She would be liberal in American standards.

 

[mnz]

Politicians are politicians. They will lie and flip flop to get that chair.

Nothing new. Seems like people believe them too much. Most of them are in their own world, they don't give a shit about you.

Who flip flopped here?

 

[Kusagari]

She would be liberal in American standards.

It would be hard to be a liberal by American standards if you oppose gay marriage like Merkel.

 

[oti]

ITT: People who only know Merkel because of Trump and never bothered actually looking into her character.

 

[cromofo]

Who flip flopped here?

"Politicians". In general.


In this case, Merkel did this to gain more power, nothing more.

 

[mnz]

"Politicians". In general.


In this case, Merkel did this to gain more power, nothing more.

So just an ignorant statement then, alright

 

[oti]

"Politicians". In general.


In this case, Merkel did this to gain more power, nothing more.

That's an interesting timeline you got there.

Before: Merkel is against SSM.
Flip-Flop: ???
Now: Merkel is still against SSM.

 

[TheContact]

Good job Germany. Anyone against this shit is living in the dark ages

 

[gotoadgo]

I'm glad another country has moved past this and made the right decision. Australia's politicians don't even have the courage to vote, instead trying to force a plebiscite no one wants.

 

[Palette Swap]

At least you guys didn't get a year of disgusting protests against it.

Regardless of Merkel playing politics, this is a very good end result.

 

[cromofo]

nvm.

 

[G.ZZZ]

US gaf was apparently under the impression Merkel was a liberal.

Pretty much. Not being part of a terrorist organization like the GOP doesn't mean you're automatically left-wing.

 

[Yoshi]

It would be hard to be a liberal by American standards if you oppose gay marriage like Merkel.

Don't know about liberal, but considering she is not in favor of letting all those filthy sick people die if they are not rich, she would appear to be left in the US. Because who in their right mind would be in favour of public health care, right?

 

[dondarm]

At least you guys didn't get a year of disgusting protests against it.

Regardless of Merkel playing politics, this is a very good end result.

If you're French and are talking about "manif pour tous", some assholes copied the format for germany, though only with regional success.

 

[Doikor]

That's an interesting timeline you got there.

Before: Merkel is against SSM.
Flip-Flop: ???
Now: Merkel is still against SSM.

Now: Merkel has effectively removed same sex marriage as a talking point for the upcoming elections. (issue solved)

 

[Frankfurter]

At least you guys didn't get a year of disgusting protests against it.

Regardless of Merkel playing politics, this is a very good end result.

Fortunately, the German population is very much in favor of same-sex marriage

Glad this finally passed. Hopefully it's actually constitutional. Otherwise the constitution would need to be amended, which might be a bigger issue after the election in the fall.

 

[13ruce]

How much do they need for it to get through, 51 %?

I hope so 65-75% votes are unfair imo.

Not gay myself but i fully support it everyone should be able to marry with whoever they love gender, skin color, sex orientation etc should not matter in that.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Welcome to the gay club Germany.

 

[azyless]

At least you guys didn't get a year of disgusting protests against it.

A year is being optimistic. They didn't stop even when the law was passed.
I'm expecting the same thing about in vitro being opened to all women. My stress levels about to skyrocket again with their bullshit.

 

[psychowave]

Now: Merkel has effectively removed same sex marriage as a talking point for the upcoming elections. (issue solved)

But she voted against it, no? Wouldn't that still be a talking point against her? I'm probably missing something here.

 

[Xando]

But she voted against it, no? Wouldn't that still be a talking point against her? I'm probably missing something here.

I doubt anyone cares since it passed anyway

 

[Pennywise]

But she voted against it, no? Wouldn't that still be a talking point against her? I'm probably missing something here.

Only internal with her party, but apart from a few that are always playing their usual conservative role, there is hardly anyone that's gonna attack her.

 

[Tacitus_]

ITT some people discover what the C in CDU stands for.

That said, they voted on it a lot quicker than I expected.

 

[Stiflers Mom]

But she voted against it, no? Wouldn't that still be a talking point against her? I'm probably missing something here.

How about she knew that the majority will vote for it, and then decided to vote against it to appease her principal voter base.

Makes sense to me.

Anyway, she brought that thing to the table.

 

[Shiggy]

A former judge of the Federal Court argues that the bill does not comply with the constitution. He says it requires the constitution to be changed.
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deuts...elt-sie-fuer-verfassungswidrig-a-1155215.html


So let's see. Hopefully it's not another case of Heiko Maas messing things up.

 

[mnz]

How about she knew that the majority will vote for it, and then decided to vote against it to appease her principal voter base.

Makes sense to me.

Anyway, she brought that thing to the table.

It's more like she stepped out of the way when others brought it to the table.

 

[Metal B]

Merkel voted no?!?!??!
Wow, what a horrible PM Germany has..

It was a power play from Merkel. She was the person, who opened up the voting, but at the same time she voted against it.
She took away an important talking point from other parties for the election in fall, has make her look good and still played to their base, since she voted against it.
Overall smart move.

 

[Muffin1611]

It was a power play from Merkel. She was the person, who opened up the voting, but at the same time she voted against it.
She took away an important talking point from other parties for the election in fall, has make her look good and still played to their base, since she voted against it. Overall smart move.

She sure as hell didn't make herself look good. Especially in her own party.

It's off the table now however, so that will help leading up to the election.

 

[Metal B]

She sure as hell didn't make herself look good. Especially in her own party.

It's how you play it. She has made the move fast enough and at the right moment, so that there is enough time, that the public will forget about it over the summer. The other parties also can't point at her vote against it, since she open up the voting in the first place. I bet, she and her party will just not talk about it in the election campaign.

This wasn't a move to make her look good, it was about taking away talking-points from other parties, giving them less room to dominate the elections topics.

Again smart move.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

It's more like she stepped out of the way when others brought it to the table.

Doubt that.
Edit: nvm. Wanted to quote stiffler.

 

[Bedameister]

It's how you play it. She has made the move fast enough and at the right moment, so that there is enough time, that the public will forget about it over the summer. The other parties also can't point at her vote against it, since she open up the voting in the first place. I bet, she and her party will just not talk about it in the election campaign.

This wasn't a move to make her look good, it was about taking away talking-points from other parties, giving them less room to dominate the elections topics.

Again smart move.

Maybe she handled the situation good but I'm sure she's not happy about it. I think it was rather a smart move from the SPD. Again Merkel handled it good but I don't think this whole thing did her any favor.

 

[spekkeh]

Fantastic news, and that it happened so quickly. Merkel is a cunt for her politics, by making it happen, yet voting no to retain the conservative backing. I guess I should be happy it still got through, but I'm a value ethicist so I hope she gets punished for it.

 

[Apzu]

Merkel gonna Merkel, either way, congratulations Germany.

 

[Yoshi]

Fantastic news, and that it happened so quickly. Merkel is a cunt for her politics, by making it happen, yet voting no to retain the conservative backing. I guess I should be happy it still got through, but I'm a value ethicist so I hope she gets punished for it.

Is getting a fourth term (and most likely a fifth if she wants to) a punishment in your eyes ?

 

[Xater]

US gaf was apparently under the impression Merkel was a liberal.

Compared to their politicians she probably is. I am totally not surprised that she voted that way. She very much still is CDU old guard.

 

[anonymous_abc]

Now: Merkel has effectively removed same sex marriage as a talking point for the upcoming elections. (issue solved)

It's pretty genius really.

 

[hanspampel]

A former judge of the Federal Court argues that the bill does not comply with the constitution. He says it requires the constitution to be changed.
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deuts...elt-sie-fuer-verfassungswidrig-a-1155215.html


So let's see. Hopefully it's not another case of Heiko Maas messing things up.

that's why this vote is so dumb
and why we still don't have the same-sex-marriage up to date

this will get shut down by the federal court
and a constitutional change requires a 2 thirds majority (good luck with that next term in the Bundestag including AFD)


but at least they can proclaim a "win"
i honestly don't get why the don't just make a eingetragene Lebenspartnerschaft with the fucking same exact rightly like a marriage.
it would be basically the same but still called different, so even people against same-sex-marriage would be fine because it's no marriage

 

[darkinstinct]

To be fair, it's not a black-or-white attribute. You can be liberal on some issues and conservative on others, or even somewhere in-between.

Merkel is whatever she needs to be for maximum personal gain. She is flipfloping like no other politician.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Playing politics instead of supporting people in dire need of allies. Fuck off Merkel - but this can still be a victory for my German LGBTQ friends. There will always be those who want to hold us back but we will continue making progress no matter what.