GiantEnemyGoomba
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You're free to say whatever the hell you want, but if that speech infringes on the rights of others then there's consequences. Pretty straightforward.
That's the definition of illegal.
Freedom of consequences is in regards to public perception and private treatment, for example being fired.
If you're punished by law, then it's illegal.
That's fine in theory, but often many take them being offended as a violation of their rights.You're free to say whatever the hell you want, but if that speech infringes on the rights of others then there's consequences. Pretty straightforward.
Of course threats should be illegal, but that's not what I was quoting you for.I think its fine that its illegal to threat the live of other people, or do you disagree?
Either you believe in free speech or you don't. We have to be able to attack bad ideas, and you can't do that if they aren't out in the open.
Of course threats should be illegal, but that's not what I was quoting you for.
Just to give more context, its also not easy to sentence someone for Voksverhetzung. Most likely nobody will get sued for this crime because one posts: "Shot all muslims!".
This said, I have the feeling that this judgment is choosen more often latetly. But its not likely I am following these cases regarding very close, so I can be wrong.
From the Wikipedia:But thats what this law is aimed for.
Who determines what is and isn't hate speech? Just something I've been curious about.
Who determines what is and isn't hate speech?
From the Wikipedia:
assaults the human dignity of others by insulting, maliciously maligning an aforementioned group
I don't know what an assault on human dignity is.
"Free speech" isnt "Freedom of consequence". In this case, you`re still allowed to say whatever you want, just know that some things will be punishable by law.
The definition for hatespeech in germany is literally in the OP
The law and the judges. Worked pretty well in the last decades in Germany at least.
From the Wikipedia:
assaults the human dignity of others by insulting, maliciously maligning an aforementioned group
Sounds pretty vague.
Has there been evidence to suggest this has reduced instances of hate crimes and discrimination?
American free hate speech got Trump elected. Like with american health care, free speech from the US should be avoided in other countries. It should be very obvious after last year.
I am fine with us having laws for hate speech online. (as they exist already for other areas). Keeps populists from a power grab.
So nothing bad is happening to you if you regularly share hate speech on facebook. Just now it is more likely that facebook will delete your comments (or make them unavailable in germany, will see how they react).
Populism is a bad thing now?
Sharing Nazi symbols and other banned symbols
Denying Holocaust
This is under strict law since decades
What's new is probably every form of "Kill them" "They should be killed" posts.
Or if you tell others to commit crimes, etc.
https://no-hate-speech.de/de/wissen/welche-gesetze-gibt-es-gegen-hate-speech/ (german link)
I'm talking more about the ability to espouse Nazi ideology or the like. Of course incitements to violence aren't protected in most cases anywhere.
Populism is a bad thing now?
"Free speech" isnt "Freedom of consequence". In this case, you`re still allowed to say whatever you want, just know that some things will be punishable by law.
While hate speak is visible it's also the least impactful part of racism [...]
Minorities don't need protection from mean words, they need power to stand on their own, a power that has essentially been stolen over hundreds of years of racial bias.
Cool, so when journalists are locked up for Turkey for criticising the government, or agreeing with those who attempted a coup, it means Turkey has freedom of speech? Just that the consequences of that freedom is incarceration.
What a ridiculous stance to take.
The type of right wing populism that is trending now is terrible and brings nothing but divide and the poorest will suffer even more.
Why not do this for all internet activities occuring in Germnay, why only Facebook. Some random forum/reddit/4chan/youtube comment originating in Germany, they should be able to go after the server/host.
It is, but human dignity is at the core of the German constitution.From the Wikipedia:
assaults the human dignity of others by insulting, maliciously maligning an aforementioned group
Sounds pretty vague.
Sigh. While hate speak is visible it's also the least impactful part of racism and heavy handed management also gives the greatest possible collateral damage. Not only that punitive measures tend to be less successful than encouraging ones.
I think countries who actually want to tackle these problem need to promote economic incentives to hiring non-whites and other vulnerable groups and those who improve diversity. Minorities don't need protection from mean words, they need power to stand on their own, a power that has essentially been stolen over hundreds of years of racial bias.
Why not do this for all internet activities occuring in Germnay, why only Facebook. Some random forum/reddit/4chan/youtube comment originating in Germany, they should be able to go after the server/host.
lolThis is a big blow for freedom of speech. It doesn't stop extreme beliefs, just makes it harder to know which assholes harbour them.
This is a big blow for freedom of speech. It doesn't stop extreme beliefs, just makes it harder to know which assholes harbour them.
This is a big blow for freedom of speech. It doesn't stop extreme beliefs, just makes it harder to know which assholes harbour them.
This is a big blow for freedom of speech. It doesn't stop extreme beliefs, just makes it harder to know which assholes harbour them.
I'm not sure how this law would affect Reddit.Reddit is fucked then, and I don't care after seeing the bile posted on politics subreddits
Hopefully this will light a fire under Facebook, Twitter and Google to finally start fighting fake news and hate speech
it's not exclussive to Right Wing Extremism.
you have Far-Left nutjobs who are highly antisemtic as well, anti-west and for some reason join the Far-Right being anti-EU