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[ClosingADoor]

What would you see as being the appropriate unified approach? As you mentioned a lot of these economic migrants are wanting to go to countries like Germany and Sweden for their various welfare benefits. So say countries like Croatia agreed to accommodate more refugees and take on more of the burden, what's to say these migrants won't just try to move to Germany again?

I don't see how more EU countries sharing more of the migrant burden could work due to the disparity in welfare benefits and safety nets across EU countries. These economic migrants are always going to want to go to the country with the best welfare benefits. Unless you were thinking of other methods of a unified approach?

If someone gets asylum in one country, they would be registered there, so with proper records (finger prints possibly to prevent passport fraud and such) they shouldn't be able to claim welfare in another country. They either have to live in the streets there or go back.

Otherwise we're no better than the sites that use these things to fit their existing narrative.

There have been multiple reports and concerns raised about this issue, so it is not just one person. I don't think it is wrong to bring this up when it is regular media reporting this issue. Otherwise, leave it up to the mods if this stuff can't be linked or discussed.

 

[DECK'ARD]

There have been multiple reports and concerns raised about this issue, so it is not just one person. I don't think it is wrong to bring this up when it is regular media reporting this issue. Otherwise, leave it up to the mods if this stuff can't be linked or discussed.

Discuss what you want, I just think presenting that in this manner:

Syrian Christians are afraid for their lives in refugee camps because of isis supporters.

... was irresponsible, the content didn't warrant it. As was posting the original video, we've at least established that.

 

[daniels]

nvm

 

[DrM]

Wtf is wrong with these naive morons? They should be jailed for this crap.

Probably to get police response in front of the cameras. 12 people were fined for this incident, Slovenian and Croatian citizens.

 

[Doczu]

Was this already posted?

Syrian refugee that was kicked by the Hungarian journalist was a member of the radical al-Nusra Front.

http://rudaw.net/NewsDetails.aspx?pageid=159906

 

[d9b]

Was this already posted?

Syrian refugee that was kicked by the Hungarian journalist was a member of the radical al-Nusra Front.

http://rudaw.net/NewsDetails.aspx?pageid=159906

Any more links on this other than highly questionable link you've posted?

In any case, that Hungarian reporter is still piece of shit.

 

[ClosingADoor]

Was this already posted?

Syrian refugee that was kicked by the Hungarian journalist was a member of the radical al-Nusra Front.

http://rudaw.net/NewsDetails.aspx?pageid=159906

I'm just going to take everything surrounding that guy with a huge grain of salt. First he was an ISIS fighter, then he was on the good side, now he is with someone else. Seems like everybody just wants to push an agenda and we'll never know what's what for sure.

 

[Hesemonni]

From Finnish newspaper Kaleva:

On the boat: "Rich Arab Countries"

"- Well, this isn't our problem."

Kaleva is published in northern Finland where an ever increasing flow of refugees is arriving via Sweden.

 

[DrM]

Slovenia is expecting new wave of migrants tomorrow or on Wednesday. Cleaning crews were sent to clean up the camping grounds on no man's land at Obrežje/Bregana border crossing, where they found lots of wasted food, clogged toilets and destroyed clothes and tents.

They behave much better in refugee camps where there is almost no loitering (probably due to heavy police/security presence), but lots of them deny food like rusk or fresh white bread.

From over 3000 processed migrants only 25 asked for asylum. So far, we were lucky with number of migrants that arrived on our border, but this could change, when Hungary will finish their fence on Croatian border

EU primer ministers will have their main meeting on Wednesday and Germany is strongly lobbying for quotas, meanwhile eastern EU members are still against. This could get tricky due to geographical reasons.

 

[Mr_Zombie]

The same was reported in a Dutch refugee center, the few Christian refugees get pressured into converting and get pushed out of common spaces like the kitchen as these are claimed for prayer.

I don't understand this. You're a refugee in another country, on that country's mercy, asking for asylum while waiting in a refugee camp - is it so hard to not act like a moron and be an intolerant dick to others?

Can people who are considered to be asylum seekers be deported for not behaving well or breaking a law?

From over 3000 processed migrants only 25 asked for asylum.

What about the others? Are they economic immigrants?

 

[DrM]

What about the others? Are they economic immigrants?

They want to go to Germany or other countries and once they are processed (ID check and fingerprints collecting), they are free to go, if they want to resume their journey. Five families and several individuals asked for asylum, because they have ran out of money and some have friends here.

Also another tidbit from migrant camps, some of them have a lot of money with them and they are asking policemen if they can keep eye on their belongings, when they go under shower and to dinner, if they have only one or two fellow travelers with them. Bigger groups have their own 'guards' and they take turns in guarding their belongings. And cops on the border were listening to migrant stories about Germany, where they will get free housing and 2000 € of help each month.

Austria received almost 30.000 migrants this weekend and more than 700 asked for asylum. Vast majority is going to Germany.

 

[BlackBuzzard]

Finland is also going to guard its borders. End of Schengen is upon us.

Spoiler

About time.

 

[Lovely Salsa]

They want to go to Germany or other countries and once they are processed (ID check and fingerprints collecting), they are free to go, if they want to resume their journey. Five families and several individuals asked for asylum, because they have ran out of money and some have friends here.

Also another tidbit from migrant camps, some of them have a lot of money with them and they are asking policemen if they can keep eye on their belongings, when they go under shower and to dinner, if they have only one or two fellow travelers with them. Bigger groups have their own 'guards' and they take turns in guarding their belongings. And cops on the border were listening to migrant stories about Germany, where they will get free housing and 2000 € of help each month.

Austria received almost 30.000 migrants this weekend and more than 700 asked for asylum. Vast majority is going to Germany.

free housing and 2000 euro a month....yeah right

If that was true, no wonder everyone is choosing Germany.....what are you still doing in slovenia?

 

[Tacitus_]

Apparently there are messages spreading in a facebook group about how Finland is not the country where they want to be.

-We were wrong! We paid a terrible sum of money for nothing. In Iraq people think that Europe has plenty of wonderful things. It's completely ordinary here
Of course you are safe here, but the toilets are dirty , there are no clothes, food is pricey... they have terribly small portions at the reception center.
Being a refugee is living in embarrassment, you can't even work for money. Coming here was a mistake.

-A pack of cigs costs 7 euros, painkillers 20 and a falafel is eight euros.

-It's terrible here. It's a bad situation. It's safe, everything is available but you feel suffocated.

-Hey you guys who are in Finland. I arrived yesterday at a place called Oulu. It's completely deserted. What should I do? Should I stay or move on?

(bolding by me)

I really wonder what they expected if finding out that things are ordinary here was a disappointment. And what the hell about the toilets?

 

[Alabamaman]

Vicar of Baghdad Warns: ‘Europe Is Ignoring The Real Refugees’

“When I see angry young men clashing with border police in Hungary and demanding to be let into other EU countries, I feel that the wrong people are at the front of the queue.

“Europe needs to distinguish between those who are looking for a better life and those who are running for their lives, otherwise we risk failing those who need our help the most.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/19/vicar-baghdad-warns-europe-ignoring-real-refugees/

 

[DrM]

free housing and 2000 euro a month....yeah right

If that was true, no wonder everyone is choosing Germany.....what are you still doing in slovenia?

This is what they believe. I do not know, who told them those stories, probably smugglers? Absolute majority of those migrants think that Germany is the promised land.

I wouldn't go there without at least basic knowledge of German language.

 

[Hypnotoad]

This is what they believe. I do not know, who told them those stories, probably smugglers? Absolute majority of those migrants think that Germany is the promised land.

I wouldn't go there without at least basic knowledge of German language.

Germany is already fast-tracking harsher asylum laws. They might include extension of stay at first arrival facilities for six months, which is reality already for alot of asylum seekers because of lack of other accomodation options. So basically the will stay in tents and school gymnasiums for much longer. Money payouts will also be adjusted downwards. One these and other measures come into effect, I can see rioting by disillusioned migrants on a much larger scale than what happened in Dresden and other refugee camps during the summer.

 

[Kill Your Masters]

EU governments push through divisive deal to share 120,000 refugees

EU governments push through divisive deal to share 120,000 refugees

European governments have pushed through by majority vote a divisive deal to share 120,000 refugees after clashing over whether the quotas would be imposed on reluctant countries or left to be accepted on a voluntary basis.

Interior ministers met in Brussels for the second time in a week on Tuesday, aware that failure to agree a system of sharing would carry a very high price in the face of Europe’s biggest ever refugee crisis.

The Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, and Romania voted against the decision to impose quotas, but Poland peeled off from its central European allies and voted yes with the majority.

 

[daniels]

EU governments push through divisive deal to share 120,000 refugees

EU governments push through divisive deal to share 120,000 refugees

120.000 is a sad joke compared to the numbers germany alone has to deal with but it is finally a start.. a pretty late and small one still if it is a stepping stone then its more than welcome. Kinda shit that germany probably has to take more than the rest and that UK simply refuses and says "nope"and actually gets away with.

Uniquely in the EU, Britain has refused to take part in the resettlement of the 120,000 and has a legal exemption from having to take part. The other two countries with similar optouts, Ireland and Denmark, are offering to participate.

 

[MiszMasz]

120.000 is a sad joke compared to the numbers germany alone has to deal with but it is finally a start.. a pretty late and small one still if it is a stepping stone then its more than welcome. Kinda shit that germany probably has to take more than the rest and that UK simply refuses and says "nope"and actually gets away with.

We have a legal opt-out and had already made plans before this quota vote. The first of 20k refugees arrived earlier today.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/22/first-of-20000-syrian-refugees-arrive-in-uk

 

[daniels]

We have a legal opt-out and had already made plans before this quota vote. The first of 20k refugees arrived earlier today.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/22/first-of-20000-syrian-refugees-arrive-in-uk

Yeah its in the article uh is the population number of the Uk still around 60 million? and germany is around 80 i think.

Britain has refused to take part in the scheme, having separately promised to resettle just 4,000 refugees this year, and 20,000 over five years – the first few of whom arrived on Tuesday, the UK government announced without giving further details.

 

[D4Danger]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34331126

Criticism is already ringing out from countries that voted against the relocation scheme, but under EU law they are now obliged to take part. It is highly unusual - unprecedented, really - for a majority vote to be used in a situation like this, which involves basic issues of national sovereignty.

But the European Commission says it is determined to enforce what was agreed. What's not yet clear is what will happen if any country simply refuses to comply - and that has certainly been the suggestion from some capitals.

Will financial sanctions be sufficient? It is another sign that this crisis is testing European unity like no other.

European democracy where Germany decides what you do.

 

[DrM]

European democracy where Germany decides what you do.

They have another meeting tomorrow, this time prime ministers from countries against quotas will probably attack Merkel with all means

 

[Beefy]

No way will the Cons let too many refugees in the UK. They will be too worried it will effect the EU vote.

 

[Frankfurter]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34331126



European democracy where Germany decides what you do.

I didn't know that the European Union consists of only 5 countries.

 

[daniels]

Damn financially punishing countries that don't want or agree with the quota..
EU suddenly got scary
Of course looking at the numbers germany gets most refugees again merkel and her stupid mouth...
I really don't envy any politicians in this stupid EU chaos you piss of people no matter what.
Oh god just why did they all wait so long the refugee crisis was foreseeable months before it actually started.
Why does everyone always wait until shit starts to hit the fan?
Its almost like with a child that has a exam but doesn't start learning until the last day when he has to pull a all nighter to at least get a passing grad

 

[MiszMasz]

Yeah its in the article uh is the population number of the Uk still around 60 million? and germany is around 80 i think.

Approx. 65 million.

No way will the Cons let too many refugees in the UK. They will be too worried it will effect the EU vote.

Which way do you mean? Refugees won't get a say, and increased intake would likely push more of the population toward an 'Out' vote.

 

[Beefy]

Which way do you mean? Refugees won't get a say, and increased intake would likely push more of the population toward an 'Out' vote.

Exactly what I meant. Cameron is very much a stay in EU guy.

 

[ClosingADoor]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34331126



European democracy where Germany decides what you do.

Democracy does not mean everyone has to agree on every issue. The majority decides, like they did here. Pretty strange to blame Germany for that when almost all other countries voted yes as well.

 

[daniels]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLT4hvSk4eM#t=29

Another report from the ARD in German TV about christian refugees that get threatened by muslims refugees.
A christian Iraqi family got threatened for months by a radical syrian refugee he even beat their Child and screamed at the wife, the christian family endet up !fleeing! from germany out of fear for their lives... back to mosul (unitl radical cunts destroyed that too) and are now in north iraq.
There are other cases in the report for example telling Christian children they are dirty pigs and overall mobbing from syrian muslims against christians.

 

[QuicheFontaine]

Democracy does not mean everyone has to agree on every issue. The majority decides, like they did here. Pretty strange to blame Germany for that when almost all other countries voted yes as well.

But that's not how the EU works. You need unanimous agreement for matters affecting national sovereignty. If you can't get everyone to agree, there's a mechanism called "enhanced cooperation" (I love that name). Here, it looks like the pro-quota counties just steam-rollered Eastern Europe.

 

[Doczu]

The Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, and Romania voted against the decision to impose quotas, but Poland peeled off from its central European allies and voted yes with the majority.

Spineless cowards. First you shake hands with the V4 countries and declare no one will push quotas on you, and then you back stab everyone. Ah well, at least with Romania they are still V4.

 

[AcademicSaucer]

This is what they believe. I do not know, who told them those stories, probably smugglers? Absolute majority of those migrants think that Germany is the promised land.

I wouldn't go there without at least basic knowledge of German language.

Having german family, I wouldn't go there without validating my degree, otherwise you are up for toilet cleaning or some low end shit. for people that were doctors, engineers, etc, in Syria, that should be humiliating

 

[maniac-kun]

Having german family, I wouldn't go there without validating my degree, otherwise you are up for toilet cleaning or some low end shit. for people that were doctors, engineers, etc, in Syria, that should be humiliating

I doubt any doctor from there will get a valid degree in Germany. We are very strict when it comes to that. They would have to go back to university here.

 

[AcademicSaucer]

I doubt any doctor from there will get a valid degree in Germany. We are very strict when it comes to that. They would have to go back to university here.

And thats the point, its no just giving them a house , some money and thats it , its a complex problem.

 

[leatherhat]

EU governments push through divisive deal to share 120,000 refugees

EU governments push through divisive deal to share 120,000 refugees

So how do you stop them from immediately leaving the country they are placed on to a more "generous" state? How do you deal with the other hundreds of thousands more? How do you secure the EU border against the millions who will are still encouraged to come? This is a total non solution, they haven't addressed any problems.

 

[Marauder Shields]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLT4hvSk4eM#t=29

Another report from the ARD in German TV about christian refugees that get threatened by muslims refugees.
A christian Iraqi family got threatened for months by a radical syrian refugee he even beat their Child and screamed at the wife, the christian family endet up !fleeing! from germany out of fear for their lives... back to mosul (unitl radical cunts destroyed that too) and are now in north iraq.
There are other cases in the report for example telling Christian children they are dirty pigs and overall mobbing from syrian muslims against christians.

Can't say I'm surprised. What a lovely bunch.

 

[Grep]

Why are everyone speaking about 120 000 refuges when there is like..10x times more of them and they ll come to EU very quickly. Winter is near also..

In Turkey there is about 2 million of them atm. Maybe these quotas are based on % and not on exact numbers.

 

[ClosingADoor]

But that's not how the EU works. You need unanimous agreement for matters affecting national sovereignty. If you can't get everyone to agree, there's a mechanism called "enhanced cooperation" (I love that name). Here, it looks like the pro-quota counties just steam-rollered Eastern Europe.

That's a whole separate issue and has nothing to do with democracy. And still strange Germany is blamed while most countries votes in favor.

 

[iceatcs]

Good news. The drug price rise a lot. Coke €50 for 1 gram, used be €20/30. Same with cannabis. I mean dealer

 

[Doczu]

Good news. The drug price rise a lot. Coke €50 for 1 gram, used be €20/30. Same with cannabis. I mean dealer

So you're saying that the drug use got higher?

 

[iceatcs]

No, the drug prices are increase because of Schengen.

 

[Beefy]

Slovakia is launching a legal challenge to the mandatory quotas.
Hungary is also pissed.
Czech president is saying the quotas are a huge mistaken.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34332759

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...ylum-seeker-deal/story-e6frg6so-1227541037273

 

[Kill Your Masters]

I am quite happy that Hungary is pissed actually. Orban is a racist prick.

This is also pure gold:

http://www.businessspectator.com.au...nches-proceedings-against-members-over-asylum

The European Commission on Wednesday launched 40 legal proceedings against 19 EU countries, including Germany, Greece and Hungary, for not properly implementing the bloc's asylum rules, a move that is set to further deepen the rift among EU leaders as they meet in Brussels to discuss Europe's response to the migration crisis.

 

[daniels]

http://news.sky.com/story/1557225/refugee-its-germany-or-nothing-for-us

"If we get relocated from germany we instead go back home to syria"
"If you ask anyone around here if germany not accepts people here they well go back to their country"

Uhh not sure if he actually means what he says doesn't look like it to me but cmon wtf at the video what kinda economic migration bullshit is that?
I wonder if quotas can even work with people and opinions like that probably not.

 

[quackamole]

http://news.sky.com/story/1557225/refugee-its-germany-or-nothing-for-us

"If we get relocated from germany we instead go back home to syria"
"If you ask anyone around here if germany not accepts people here they well go back to their country"

Uhh not sure if he actually means what he says doesn't look like it to me but cmon wtf at the video what kinda economic migration bullshit is that?
I wonder if quotas can even work with people and opinions like that probably not.

If what they say is true then obviously not. Seems like they are more here for the promised money and benefit than anything.

 

[Tacitus_]

Hah, that's a prediction from a reddit commentor coming through.

>refugees get sent to Burmania
>refugees leave since no Germoney
>quote unfilled, more refugees sent to Burmania

 

[jakonovski]

Finland abstained, which our esteemed government didn't know counted as a no. And then the prime minister announed that he thinks there will be 50k refugees coming to Finland.

So they semi accidentally refused to take on a share of 2400 refugees, pissing off Germany for no reason. Then they start preparing for 50 000 who'll come in anyway. We truly have the most incompetent government, they can't even find the competence to successfully pick a side.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

http://news.sky.com/story/1557225/refugee-its-germany-or-nothing-for-us

"If we get relocated from germany we instead go back home to syria"
"If you ask anyone around here if germany not accepts people here they well go back to their country"

Uhh not sure if he actually means what he says doesn't look like it to me but cmon wtf at the video what kinda economic migration bullshit is that?
I wonder if quotas can even work with people and opinions like that probably not.

Seems pretty obvious that he's saying any country other than Germany would be as bad as going back to Syria in terms of how he and his family will be treated.

 

[thuGG_pl]

"Refugees" not really happy about Sweden's accommodation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHNh-d9INiI