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GavinGT said:
Is this tongue-in-cheek? Poorly worded? Or do you really expect them to feign excitement for this thing just because you think it deserves it?

I don't know where some of you guys have been recently, but quite a lot of people are lukewarm on the Vita.
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Dude, it's Otrebor.
 
FStop7 said:
That said, I did watch the Q&A session between the GB staff and Dave Snyder over whether or not he should get a Vita. They didn't seem particularly negative then. Is today's QL somehow different or is this just Internet bellyaching?
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They're still not negative about it. They just aren't incredibly positive. So you get people complaining either that they're being negative, or that they don't want to be there in the first place.

Also there were things about the Vita they didn't know/forgot about/didn't mention. Some people are seeing this as inexcusable ignorance, and are (once again) questioning their credentials.


GavinGT said:
It's like the Uncharted 3 8.8 review all over again. People are pissed because honest opinions are being shared....opinions that they can't accept.
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8.8 is what Jeff gave Zelda back in the Gamespot days. It was the Uncharted 3 fiasco before Uncharted 3, and it led to people cheering when the K&L thing happened and he left GS. Uncharted 3 was an 8.
 
Yeah, I don't think I could do anything for 5 hours and be super excited the whole time either. There were some really funny moments during the stream anyways, like Jeff mashing the screen in UMVC3, scoring 6 goals, 'My name is Marta!', and the random Katamari FMV.
 
obonicus said:
8.8 is what Jeff gave Zelda back in the Gamespot days. It was the Uncharted 3 fiasco before Uncharted 3, and it led to people cheering when the K&L thing happened and he left GS. Uncharted 3 was an 8.
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Great, now my unintentional trolling is just driving Jeff even deeper into depression.
 
FStop7 said:
Okay, I admit that I haven't yet watched today's QL.

That said, I did watch the Q&A session between the GB staff and Dave Snyder over whether or not he should get a Vita. They didn't seem particularly negative then. Is today's QL somehow different or is this just Internet bellyaching?
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They weren't negative at all. In fact, this was probably the most positive I've seen them talk about the Vita.

The biggest problem with today's stream was the complete lack of energy for the three people in the video, good or bad. It was quite clear not one of them wanted to be doing what they were doing.
 
There is a legitimate issue with Jeff always seeming like he's 8 hours away from killing himself. It tends to make some of their content less entertaining than it otherwise could be.
 
So did the people bitching about GB's stream like the Gametrailers one better because they were so much more enthusiastic? Or were you just as outraged at GT because amidst all their enthusiasm for the Vita they also lied about its capabilities, telling their audience that you dont need a memory card and that the device comes with half a gig of mem built in for your saves. That the kind of stream you prefer? One with rainbows and deception?
 
Baconsammy said:
So did the people bitching about GB's stream like the Gametrailers one better because they were so much more enthusiastic? Or were you just as outraged at GT because amidst all their enthusiasm for the Vita they also lied about its capabilities, telling their audience that you dont need a memory card and that the device comes with half a gig of mem built in for your saves. That the kind of stream you prefer? One with rainbows and deception?
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I don't have a problem with GB's coverage of the Vita, but this false dichotomy you are presenting is just ridiculous.
 
Aphallatosis said:
There is a legitimate issue with Jeff always seeming like he's 8 hours away from killing himself. It tends to make some of their content less entertaining than it otherwise could be.
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I think he's just always deep in thought, trying to churn out that next masterful joke or obscure San Francisco rap reference.

What might seem like mopeyness is just his shtick - he's ceaselessly cynical and sarcastic, and he plays it totally straight which makes it way funnier. Never change, Jeff.
 
Basileus777 said:
I don't have a problem with GB's coverage of the Vita, but this false dichotomy you are presenting is just ridiculous.
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It's not really a dichotomy. He's asking if people complaining about lack of accuracy on a 'negative' look at the Vita complain about the lack of accuracy in a positive look, or if they go the hypocritical route.
 
MonsterDunk said:
All she ever wanted was for me to score six goals and have the hard facts about the potential presence of a microphone totally confirmed. And I couldn't do either.

Pretty much the worst day of my life, you guys.
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You guys did a good job. A few too many comparisons to the iPad or iPhone but very informative and entertaining.
 
GavinGT said:
And from now on, you should probably just stick to sites that tell you exactly what you want to hear. It's pretty obvious you just wanted to tune in to have others reinforce your purchase decision.
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I tuned in because there were lots of games beeing shown, and I hoped to see more games I were interested in when I get my own Vita, of the ported games, I were especially interested in the features wich isn't on other platforms. :-/
I didn't get much of that, wich is fine, but were incredible annoying to watch these idiots bumbling around.

Obviously they were like a thousand times more clueless than me, despite having the device they were showing in the quicklook. While I'm waiting for mine, and all I learned about it, is from following basic media and various youtube-clips.

I remember one time I helped a really old man, wich had bought a PC, and were not able to get on the internet. When I went over to help him, I assumed that there were something wrong with his PC.
However, it turned out, that the problem were that he had never used a PC before!
And man, it were really horrible, I couldn't show him everything and leave - I had to watch him beeing able to do it for himself.

Amongst other things, I had to sit and watch him spend a minute finding the 'Internet Explorer' icon - and then another half minute navigating the mouse - and then quite a while failing to double-click the icon.
I told him about right-click to open, but he didn't manage to move the mouse in the right position..
After this, I delayed the double mouse-click feature in control-panel, and then going over the same again.
This time he succeeding in opening Internet Explorer. But that had taken 20 minutes.

I had the exact same feeling when watching and listening to the GB-idiots, talking about this device. 'I don't even think it has a microphone' and similar basic knowledge-fails.
I felt allmost like if that old dude, wich I tought to use IE - were going to demonstrate Chrome or Firefox.. :-/
Whatever could be gained by the demonstration, get's lost by the old dude's infamiliarity.

Sure I could go to a different website, but when they're saying they have 30 years of experience as professional video-game journalists, we readers/viewers should be able to expect them to have basic knowledge about what they're doing.
 
KongRudi said:
I tuned in because there were lots of games beeing shown, and I hoped to see more games I were interested in when I get my own Vita, of the ported games, I were especially interested in the features wich isn't on other platforms. :-/
I didn't get much of that, wich is fine, but were incredible annoying to watch these idiots bumbling around.

Obviously they were like a thousand times more clueless than me, despite having the device they were showing in the quicklook. While I'm waiting for mine, and all I learned about it, is from following basic media and various youtube-clips.

I remember one time I helped a really old man, wich had bought a PC, and were not able to get on the internet. When I went over to help him, I assumed that there were something wrong with his PC.
However, it turned out, that the problem were that he had never used a PC before!
And man, it were really horrible, I couldn't show him everything and leave - I had to watch him beeing able to do it for himself.

Amongst other things, I had to sit and watch him spend a minute finding the 'Internet Explorer' icon - and then another half minute navigating the mouse - and then quite a while failing to double-click the icon.
I told him about right-click to open, but he didn't manage to move the mouse in the right position..
After this, I delayed the double mouse-click feature in control-panel, and then going over the same again.
This time he succeeding in opening Internet Explorer. But that had taken 20 minutes.

I had the exact same feeling when watching and listening to the GB-idiots, talking about this device. 'I don't even think it has a microphone' and similar basic knowledge-fails.
I felt allmost like if that old dude, wich I tought to use IE - were going to demonstrate Chrome or Firefox.. :-/
Whatever could be gained by the demonstration, get's lost by the old dude's infamiliarity.

Sure I could go to a different website, but when they're saying they have 30 years of experience as professional video-game journalists, we readers/viewers should be able to expect them to have basic knowledge about what they're doing.
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My head hurts after reading this post... SUCH cognitive dissonance.

"This thing doesn't live up to my uninformed preconceptions about how these people should be doing their jobs! Wah!"
 
They gave the vita a better shake than the 3ds during its launch and people are still whining about it? They had the difficult task of showing off a launch lineup, something that was all but guaranteed to be full of crap given that there exists very few launches worth a shit. the vita defense force should see how they handled the kinect launch for both some genuine laughs and a better appreciation of what they did today.
 
KongRudi said:
Sure I could go to a different website, but when they're saying they have 30 years of experience as professional video-game journalists, we readers/viewers should be able to expect them to have basic knowledge about what they're doing.
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Except they do. This is what you're failing to accept. Basic knowledge? They have, and more than that. As much as your typical forum-goer who is already sold on the Vita? Nope.


Massa said:
The biggest problem with today's stream was the complete lack of energy for the three people in the video, good or bad. It was quite clear not one of them wanted to be doing what they were doing.
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I don't really agree with you (partly because I don't think you can sense mood of someone you don't really know over a video stream on the internet), but what would have convinced you that they did in fact want to be there?
 
KongRudi said:
I tuned in because there were lots of games beeing shown, and I hoped to see more games I were interested in when I get my own Vita, of the ported games, I were especially interested in the features wich isn't on other platforms. :-/
I didn't get much of that, wich is fine, but were incredible annoying to watch these idiots bumbling around.

Obviously they were like a thousand times more clueless than me, despite having the device they were showing in the quicklook. While I'm waiting for mine, and all I learned about it, is from following basic media and various youtube-clips.

I remember one time I helped a really old man, wich had bought a PC, and were not able to get on the internet. When I went over to help him, I assumed that there were something wrong with his PC.
However, it turned out, that the problem were that he had never used a PC before!
And man, it were really horrible, I couldn't show him everything and leave - I had to watch him beeing able to do it for himself.

Amongst other things, I had to sit and watch him spend a minute finding the 'Internet Explorer' icon - and then another half minute navigating the mouse - and then quite a while failing to double-click the icon.
I told him about right-click to open, but he didn't manage to move the mouse in the right position..
After this, I delayed the double mouse-click feature in control-panel, and then going over the same again.
This time he succeeding in opening Internet Explorer. But that had taken 20 minutes.

I had the exact same feeling when watching and listening to the GB-idiots, talking about this device. 'I don't even think it has a microphone' and similar basic knowledge-fails.
I felt allmost like if that old dude, wich I tought to use IE - were going to demonstrate Chrome or Firefox.. :-/
Whatever could be gained by the demonstration, get's lost by the old dude's infamiliarity.

Sure I could go to a different website, but when they're saying they have 30 years of experience as professional video-game journalists, we readers/viewers should be able to expect them to have basic knowledge about what they're doing.
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I don't pay for a yearly subscription to a website to have them list off readily available information from a fact sheet. I could go to Sony's official website if I wanted bullet points lists of features. If you don't enjoy their brand of content that's fine, but don't misconstrue what Giant Bomb aims to do with its videos. It's intentionally informal, and it's usually meant to be entertaining first and informative second. They're knowledgeable, yes, but the point isn't just to sit there and listen to them spit facts. It's more akin to sitting around with a group of like-minded friends to discuss your hobby and joke around. If you prefer a more dry, laundry-list format, you can go to just about any other site around for that.
 
KongRudi said:
I tuned in because there were lots of games beeing shown, and I hoped to see more games I were interested in when I get my own Vita, of the ported games, I were especially interested in the features wich isn't on other platforms. :-/
I didn't get much of that, wich is fine, but were incredible annoying to watch these idiots bumbling around.

Obviously they were like a thousand times more clueless than me, despite having the device they were showing in the quicklook. While I'm waiting for mine, and all I learned about it, is from following basic media and various youtube-clips.

I remember one time I helped a really old man, wich had bought a PC, and were not able to get on the internet. When I went over to help him, I assumed that there were something wrong with his PC.
However, it turned out, that the problem were that he had never used a PC before!
And man, it were really horrible, I couldn't show him everything and leave - I had to watch him beeing able to do it for himself.

Amongst other things, I had to sit and watch him spend a minute finding the 'Internet Explorer' icon - and then another half minute navigating the mouse - and then quite a while failing to double-click the icon.
I told him about right-click to open, but he didn't manage to move the mouse in the right position..
After this, I delayed the double mouse-click feature in control-panel, and then going over the same again.
This time he succeeding in opening Internet Explorer. But that had taken 20 minutes.

I had the exact same feeling when watching and listening to the GB-idiots, talking about this device. 'I don't even think it has a microphone' and similar basic knowledge-fails.
I felt allmost like if that old dude, wich I tought to use IE - were going to demonstrate Chrome or Firefox.. :-/
Whatever could be gained by the demonstration, get's lost by the old dude's infamiliarity.

Sure I could go to a different website, but when they're saying they have 30 years of experience as professional video-game journalists, we readers/viewers should be able to expect them to have basic knowledge about what they're doing.
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My god. Are you for real? SonyGAF is the worst GAF.
 
First of all let me say KingRudi has made an ass out of himself in this thread, and despite my criticism earlier of what I watched today I very much love Giantbomb, which is why I watched a good chunk of the stream today. You couldn't pay me enough to watch the Gametrailers stream some are talking about.

obonicus said:
I don't really agree with you (partly because I don't think you can sense mood of someone you don't really know over a video stream on the internet), but what would have convinced you that they did in fact want to be there?
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I thought it was obvious. There were points where Patrick just sat there with his eyes closed. Brad literally couldn't make it to the end.

I know this is not the first marathon system launch thing they do. If the next one also launches with 25+ games I hope they don't try to do it all at once again.
 
Jeff was Jeff, so that was fine. Patrick was pretty much a vegetable. In situations like that it is better to just pull the plug instead of making him suffer.
 
They should have just taken a 10m break every couple hours or so to get rid of the couchbutt.

I thought it was fine. I feel like I have a pretty good understanding of what the Vita is/isn't after watching that stream, and will use that in my decision of whether I want to purchase it or not. Jeff has repeatedly said that is his top priority when he writes reviews and stuff, so mission accomplished.
 
Riposte said:
Jeff was Jeff, so that was fine. Patrick was pretty much a vegetable. In situations like that it is better to just pull the plug instead of making him suffer.
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Is it too soon for Terri Schiavo jokes?

Anyway, I don't really have too many complaints about Giant Bomb's coverage. Clearly, they didn't do some of those games any favors, but I think anyone would have struggled to make some of that stuff interesting. Of course, I didn't watch the whole stream, so maybe I missed a lot of the controversial stuff.
 
Massa said:
I thought it was obvious. There were points where Patrick just sat there with his eyes closed. Brad literally couldn't make it to the end.

I know this is not the first marathon system launch thing they do. If the next one also launches with 25+ games I hope they don't try to do it all at once again.
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Still haven't watched but it's definitely not worth doing something if they're not into it, it shows. Whiskey has been generating tons of content so a 5 hour launch thing for the Vita isn't needed just for the sake of itself. There are times when I can't make it through an hour long meeting without having to force myself to stay awake. A 5 hour stream of something I'm not 100% excited for would probably kill me.

I really, really want a Vita but I can't get excited enough about the games. Maybe I'll try FIFA and it'll sell me. My PSP basically ended up being relegated to bathroom duty, though.
 
djm said:
They should have just taken a 10m break every couple hours or so to get rid of the couchbutt.

I thought it was fine. I feel like I have a pretty good understanding of what the Vita is/isn't after watching that stream, and will use that in my decision of whether I want to purchase it or not. Jeff has repeatedly said that is his top priority when he writes reviews and stuff, so mission accomplished.
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Fucking nice avatar man.
 
djm said:
They should have just taken a 10m break every couple hours or so to get rid of the couchbutt.

I thought it was fine. I feel like I have a pretty good understanding of what the Vita is/isn't after watching that stream, and will use that in my decision of whether I want to purchase it or not. Jeff has repeatedly said that is his top priority when he writes reviews and stuff, so mission accomplished.
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Agreed.

Today's feature might not have ingrained Vita everything into my brain so that I can recite specifications and features by heart, but it's shown me what I need to know. In fact it pushed me towards a purchase. I'm excited. With a Sony gaming purchase, I'm now allowed to complain about a lack of Vita/PSP/PS3 Giant Bomb coverage along with inflammatory accusations of Microsoft bias. That's how it works right?
 
Surprised fans of Giant Bomb are being this hard on them. Maybe it has to do with expectations? I've sort of guessed they wouldn't be terribly excited about the system since it was announced. I mean, what did you guys expect? I was stunned there weren't more iphone/ipad/ibleep references to be quite honest. And they were pretty positive on some games, Stardust and Lumines in particular.

I found the stream interesting enough. The things that disappointed me were some of the games/the system itself: trophy syncs (yuck), Modnation (still hoping it gets more interesting, but reviews aren't pointing to that), load-times, no Lumines Platinum (has this been resolved yet?)...
 
Baconsammy said:
Umm yeah. I didn't see much of this "bumbling" around. They played games for 5 hours and allowed you to watch.
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That's their job.

It just didn't seem they were prepeared for it, wich is my complaint.
It seemed hopeless to ask questions in the chat, because they couldn't answer anything, and if they answered it were usually wrong. :-/
Didn't encourage me want to listen to them in the future.
 
KongRudi said:
That's their job.

It just didn't seem they were prepeared for it, wich is my complaint.
It were hopeless to ask questions in the chat, because they couldn't answer anything, and if they answered it were usually wrong. :-/
Didn't encourage me want to listen to them in the future.
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I'll just go ahead and quote myself here:

"This thing doesn't live up to my uninformed preconceptions about how these people should be doing their jobs! Wah!"

Go read a PR checklist son, they were doing their jobs just fine according to people who actually know what their jobs are. Go hang out on YouTube and watch unboxings with the other crazies or something.
 
KongRudi said:
That's their job.

It just didn't seem they were prepeared for it, wich is my complaint.
It seemed hopeless to ask questions in the chat, because they couldn't answer anything, and if they answered it were usually wrong. :-/
Didn't encourage me want to listen to them in the future.
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I believe Greg Miller does media with your name on it
 
KongRudi said:
That's their job.

It just didn't seem they were prepeared for it, wich is my complaint.
It seemed hopeless to ask questions in the chat, because they couldn't answer anything, and if they answered it were usually wrong. :-/
Didn't encourage me want to listen to them in the future.
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How do you know what their job is? Do you run payroll at Whiskey Media?
 
KongRudi said:
Didn't encourage me want to listen to them in the future.
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KongRudi said:
That's their job.
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I'd say their job is to continue producing content that keeps their subscribers interested. They're not trying to be all things to all people, which is probably why they have such a diehard fanbase.

KongRudi said:
It just didn't seem they were prepeared for it, wich is my complaint.
It seemed hopeless to ask questions in the chat, because they couldn't answer anything, and if they answered it were usually wrong. :-/
Didn't encourage me want to listen to them in the future.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGn1fLt73WQ

Here you go. This is clearly what you're looking for.

And a little tip: You don't criticize spaghetti because it's not lasagna. If you don't like spaghetti, don't order it. If you order it anyways, don't go on the spaghetti forum and bitch about how you prefer lasagna.
 
Just caught up on the stream

Uncharted looked legitimately bad...

Not sure why there was such a tizzy over Jeff's review. If anything I think he was generous.
 
I thought they did an okay job with the Vita considering they are not a fan of handhelds, I've seen way better videos but I appreciate their impressions of the system and games.

Vire said:
Just caught up on the stream

Uncharted looked legitimately bad...

Not sure why there was such a tizzy over Jeff's review. If anything I think he was generous.
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I don't think it looks that bad, it looks fine and I agree I don't get the upset over Jeff's review since I think it was more than fair.
 
GavinGT said:
I'd say their job is to continue producing content that keeps their subscribers interested. They're not trying to be all things to all people, which is probably why they have such a diehard fanbase.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGn1fLt73WQ

Here you go. This is clearly what you're looking for.

And a little tip: You don't criticize spaghetti because it's not lasagna. If you don't like spaghetti, don't order it. If you order it anyways, don't go on the spaghetti forum and bitch about how you prefer lasagna.
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Dude, I totally love your analogy, but it's just a TAD off.

See, his behavior would be more akin to yelling at the waiter and the other people in the restaurant because you got spaghetti when you ordered lasagna. EXCEPT you actually did order the lasagna and are either completely ignorant of your fuck-up or are just trying to cover it all up.

And in indignantly covering up your mistake you're just portraying yourself as an uniformed and indignant self-righteous asshole.

"Why'd you bring me spaghetti?! Where's my lasagna!?"

"Sir, um, that's... that's what you ordered."

"I did not order that! You're horrible at your job! (Looks at the table next to him) He's horrible at his job isn't he?!"

"Um, sir, I'm looking right at my order sheet..."

"You don't even know where the microphone is DO YOU!!"
 
I was watching today and you could tell that "YOU'RE PLAYING ON BEGINNER" chat comment Brad relayed to Jeff during the FIFA stuff got to him. :lol
 
KongRudi said:
That's their job.

It just didn't seem they were prepeared for it, wich is my complaint.
It seemed hopeless to ask questions in the chat, because they couldn't answer anything, and if they answered it were usually wrong. :-/
Didn't encourage me want to listen to them in the future.
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I'm just going to bold that one more time. I'm trying to help you. You can't do that and continue to call people idiots. Help me help you.
 
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