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[Keylime]

No WWDC thread yet, but this is a very interesting tidbit:

http://www.macrumors.com/2010/05/26/microsofts-steve-ballmer-to-present-during-wwdc-2010-keynote/

Steve Ballmer to speak at WWDC, showing off native iPhoneOS and Mac OS development within Visual Studio?!

Barrons reports that one analyst is predicting that Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer will be part of Steve Jobs' WWDC Keynote presentation.

According to Trip Chowdhry, an analyst with tiny Global Equities Research, 7 minutes of Steve Jobs' keynote is allotted for Microsoft. Microsoft will reportedly be talking about their development tool Visual Studio 2010. The new version of Visual Studio will reportedly allow developers to write native applications for the iPhone, iPad and Mac OS.

The move would be a big surprise given Apple and Microsoft's competitive history. In addition, the announcement of PC-based development suite for iPhone and Mac OS would be major announcement. At present, developers may only create iPhone and Mac OS applications from within Apple's own Xcode development suite which only runs on Macs.

That would be so awesome if true. Even if the toolset isn't necessarily up to snuff, just allowing development on non-Mac systems would be pretty huge in my book. Would be a pretty clear message that Apple is much less interested in selling Macbooks as they are iPhoneOS devices. They probably make a shitton more off of people buying apps/music/movies through iTunes than they do on initial hardware sales.

...

And what's with the white iPhone masculinity issues in here? :lol

 

[LCfiner]

I think it would be friggin' hilarious if balmer showed up at WWDC. especially considering how previous WWDC events have been Windows-hostile in the past.

you know what would be great? If Apple gets their hitman, Bertrand Serlet up there to bash Windows again and then Balmer comes on stage right in the middle of that performance and kicks Bertrand off the stage (literally, with a kick) and starts a primal scream therapy session on stage.

then he reveals the visual studio tools.


Also, I had a white iPhone 3G and it looked fine. although I think black looks better now.

 

[Jocchan]

No WWDC thread yet, but this is a very interesting tidbit:

http://www.macrumors.com/2010/05/26/microsofts-steve-ballmer-to-present-during-wwdc-2010-keynote/

Steve Ballmer to speak at WWDC, showing off native iPhoneOS and Mac OS development within Visual Studio?!


That would be so awesome if true. Even if the toolset isn't necessarily up to snuff, just allowing development on non-Mac systems would be pretty huge in my book. Would be a pretty clear message that Apple is much less interested in selling Macbooks as they are iPhoneOS devices. They probably make a shitton more off of people buying apps/music/movies through iTunes than they do on initial hardware sales.

...

And what's with the white iPhone masculinity issues in here? :lol

I don't really believe it's going to happen, but God I wish this was true.

 

[XMonkey]

I bet it won't have seams in the end.

 

[Keylime]

MS and Apple teaming up against Google doesn't seem all the implausible to me as a longer term strategy.

Google (not just Android) is expanding at a sick rate, and MS is becoming an afterthought. They need to do something in the evolving mobile space.

 

[LCfiner]

I bet it won't have seams in the end.

that'll be Steve's "One More Thing."

He'll show all the slides of the HD phone we all know about and then the seams will fade away.

"boom"

/mass hysteria

 

[Keylime]

that'll be Steve's "One More Thing."

He'll show all the slides of the HD phone we ll know about and then the seams will fade away.

"boom"

/mass hysteria

I'd have to e-mail Steve with nothing more than that animated gif from Predator:

YouSonofaBitch.gif

 

[LCfiner]

MS and Apple teaming up against Google doesn't seem all the implausible to me as a longer term strategy.

Google (not just Android) is expanding at a sick rate, and MS is becoming an afterthought. They need to do something in the evolving mobile space.

the biggest issue I have with the Balmer rumor is why they would champion tools to make iPhone apps when it's in their interest to have developers make Win phone 7 apps this fall.

ultimately, I think it's bogus, but i'd love to be proven wrong just for the sheer craziness of it all.

 

[Opus Angelorum]

Absolute nonsense.

Why would Microsoft help support any Apple platform (let alone the iPhone) when their focus for the next few years will be the Windows Phone 7. It just does not make sense whatsoever.

 

[Keylime]

the biggest issue I have with the Balmer rumor is why they would champion tools to make iPhone apps when it's in their interest to have developers make Win phone 7 apps this fall.

ultimately, I think it's bogus, but i'd love to be proven wrong just for the sheer craziness of it all.

It'd certainly be pretty shocking seeing thee Windows figurehead these days show up at a Mac Developers conference.

You know if Ballmer was somehow there, he couldn't help but throw a plug for something beyond whatever he was actually there to present. Just couldn't walk off without some kind of off-handed comment. :lol

 

[C.Dark.DN]

Balls. My contract isn't up until September.

 

[Keylime]

Balls. My contract isn't up until September.

You can probably still get the upgrade pricing if your contract is over that close to the new phone.

Dial this on your phone: *639#

You'll get a text back with your upgrade date. A lot of folks have had their upgrade date adjusted to be mid-June.

 

[infinityBCRT]

the biggest issue I have with the Balmer rumor is why they would champion tools to make iPhone apps when it's in their interest to have developers make Win phone 7 apps this fall.

ultimately, I think it's bogus, but i'd love to be proven wrong just for the sheer craziness of it all.

If its true then they'll likely make coding a multiplatform phone app between iphone and winphone easier.

Then again this could just be announcing bing as the new search engine.

 

[Keylime]

If its true then they'll likely make coding a multiplatform phone app between iphone and winphone easier.

Then again this could just be announcing bing as the new search engine.

Apple pretty firmly put their foot down against mutli-platform development in their statement against Adobe, so not very likely.

Bing as the new search would be so meh...

 

[C.Dark.DN]

You can probably still get the upgrade pricing if your contract is over that close to the new phone.

Dial this on your phone: *639#

You'll get a text back with your upgrade date. A lot of folks have had their upgrade date adjusted to be mid-June.

Doesn't say a date for me.

On att.com it says...

"You can take advantage of our no commitment pricing. Additional discounts may be available on 09/29/2010

iPhone Upgrade
As a valued AT&T customer, we can offer you a discounted iPhone upgrade at a higher price, along with a 2-year commitment and an $18 upgrade fee. Please proceed with the online upgrade process for pricing details. You may qualify for a full discount on a standard iPhone upgrade on 09/29/2010 "

Edit:
Wait. Apparently it's *NEW# It says the same thing. Can I change it to June?

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

more like nokia-like..

Who cares though, I still want it.

Oh, I totally agree. I think it actually looks more trendy/masculine/techie-like than the current sleek iPhone.

And I have a white phone right now.

 

[Keylime]

Doesn't say a date for me.

On att.com it says...

"You can take advantage of our no commitment pricing. Additional discounts may be available on 09/29/2010

iPhone Upgrade
As a valued AT&T customer, we can offer you a discounted iPhone upgrade at a higher price, along with a 2-year commitment and an $18 upgrade fee. Please proceed with the online upgrade process for pricing details. You may qualify for a full discount on a standard iPhone upgrade on 09/29/2010 "

Edit:
Wait. Apparently it's *NEW# It says the same thing. Can I change it to June?

If you have the time for it, you could possibly try and hassle the folks at ATT with the "it's close enough you mother fuckers!" argument, but last go-round they were extremely dismissive of anyone trying to adjust the upgrade dates, even if you were a week off, let alone a few months.

 

[TheGreatDave]

My contract is up in 30 days. Hopefully it won't cost too much to upgrade on o2

 

[DECK'ARD]

ATT has confirmed to it's employees an early June launch:

http://www.macrumors.com/2010/05/26/atandt-reportedly-confirms-june-iphone-launch-to-employees/

Title says it all, but you didn't really need a confirmation, did you? The phone will be available for purchase in June, not July, and from what we've heard, it won't even be late June.

And to add a bit of a excitement back into the unveiling, there's allegedly another 4th Gen iPhone prototype which is the same form-factor as the 3G/3GS:

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20100526VL200.html

Q: Is the iPhone 4G reported by Gizmondo the real thing? Will it be the same as the one introduced on June 7?

A: I believe so. At least it will be very similar. The leaked iPhone 4G had a tag that said "N90," which is the internal development codename for the iPhone 4G, and very few people outside the company knew about it prior to the leak.

On a side note, Apple initiated the iPhone 4G project at the end of 2008. According to our sources, Apple actually has another product codenamed N91 for the project, which offers less change from previous iPhones compared with the N90. It's a parallel product to back up the N90 in case there are major delays due to significant modifications in casing, display resolution, digital camera support and so forth.

Will Steve-rage at Gizmodo mean the new one looks like the old one? Tune in soon to find out!

Hope not, as I really want the white new design now.

 

[hiryu]

My contract is up July 4th. Hopefully the new phone is out by then.

 

[sc0la]

So are we to believe that the metal notch things are purely aesthetic, or do they perhaps have some kind of purpose (like acting as a docking point for attachments or something)?

Check out my post #2125 in this thread. I think they will stay even if the biometric stuff doesn't make it into this update.

The internal shots we have seen make me think the segmented case is more laborious to assemble than a unibody so I don't think it is for ease of prototyping.

That's what the screw version is for IMO.

 

[D4Danger]

Absolute nonsense.

Why would Microsoft help support any Apple platform (let alone the iPhone) when their focus for the next few years will be the Windows Phone 7. It just does not make sense whatsoever.

It's a positive for both companies if you ask me. Microsoft keep their base happy and loyal and Apple get millions of new developers.

I don't actually think it's going to happen but it wouldn't surprise me at all if it did.

 

[neptunes]

I don't think they will port XCode to any other OS, it would marginalize the need for a Mac.

 

[Keylime]

I don't think they will port XCode to any other OS, it would marginalize the need for a Mac.

Are you implying that the main driver of Mac sales is people buying Macs to develop for Apple products? :lol

 

[andycapps]

I bet it won't have seams in the end.

Me too, that just doesn't look like a final Apple design to me.. I'm not an iPhone guy and just popping in this thread to see what the new rumors are. Those new pictures from the previous page, did another phone leak into the wild?

 

[D4Danger]

I don't think they will port XCode to any other OS, it would marginalize the need for a Mac.

realistically, if Apple's focus is the app store going forward it makes sense to open up their platform to Windows developers.

They did the same thing with iTunes/iPods when music was their focus. It's not without precedent

 

[Pristine_Condition]

realistically, if Apple's focus is the app store going forward it makes sense to open up their platform to Windows developers.

They did the same thing with iTunes/iPods when music was their focus. It's not without precedent

I can see that point. But I can also see the counter-point that getting more Macs in developers' studios increases the chances of more Mac app development too...

 

[LCfiner]

No WWDC thread yet, but this is a very interesting tidbit:

http://www.macrumors.com/2010/05/26/microsofts-steve-ballmer-to-present-during-wwdc-2010-keynote/

Steve Ballmer to speak at WWDC, showing off native iPhoneOS and Mac OS development within Visual Studio?!


That would be so awesome if true. Even if the toolset isn't necessarily up to snuff, just allowing development on non-Mac systems would be pretty huge in my book. Would be a pretty clear message that Apple is much less interested in selling Macbooks as they are iPhoneOS devices. They probably make a shitton more off of people buying apps/music/movies through iTunes than they do on initial hardware sales.

...

And what's with the white iPhone masculinity issues in here? :lol

Debunked

http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/27/debunk-steve-ballmer-not-speaking-at-wwdc/

No visual studio to make iPad apps. surprise, surprise.

 

[maharg]

Oh god what I wouldn't do to be able to do mac/iphone dev in Visual Studio. Other than the UI design stuff (which isn't exactly brilliant either), XCode sucks balls.

 

[Keylime]

Debunked

http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/27/debunk-steve-ballmer-not-speaking-at-wwdc/

No visual studio to make iPad apps. surprise, surprise.

Fucking LCfiner... I blame you for this happening! YOU!

 

[LCfiner]

Fucking LCfiner... I blame you for this happening! YOU!

there never was much hope, really.

maybe a fool’s hope.

 

[CrunchinJelly]

My contract is up in 30 days. Hopefully it won't cost too much to upgrade on o2

I already got my PAC.

Switching from shitty O2 (sorry, but their 3G network sucks), and going to move over to Orange.

 

[Keylime]

there never was much hope, really.

maybe a fool’s hope.

Oh well, I guess I'll just have to get excited about this "iPhone" thing they're going to show. That sounds stupid, but I guess I'll try and be optimistic.

 

[TheGreatDave]

I already got my PAC.

Switching from shitty O2 (sorry, but their 3G network sucks), and going to move over to Orange.

I've not had much trouble with o2, but I turn 3G off. I'll probably just go with whoever can give me the best deal.

 

[DECK'ARD]

O2 were in a similar sort of situation to AT&T (not that bad though), in that their network and 3G coverage was already behind before the iPhone and just couldn't keep up with the data demands after the iPhone.

I've found the iPhone to work much better on Orange than it did on O2, both in 3G coverage and in data speed/reliability. Was always dropping on O2. Will be going from an unlocked 3G to a proper one on Orange when the new one is available.

 

[TheGreatDave]

Do Orange have decent Edge coverage? Edge is all I want 99% of the time.

 

[SmokyDave]

I already got my PAC.

Switching from shitty O2 (sorry, but their 3G network sucks), and going to move over to Orange.

I use Orange and I've found their 3G coverage to be excellent. Obviously YMMV depending on where you are in the country.

 

[Keylime]

iTunes going to the cloud, Mac Pro and Macbook Air Updates at WWDC?

Shaw Wu is telling clients that he expects to see iTunes going to the cloud as well as Mac Pro and MacBook Air updates at WWDC next month. We are 100% behind his iTunes going to the cloud - iTunes.com service. In a lot of ways it is already heading there with the iTunes Store having its own web pages that auto open iTunes.app. Seems like an unfinished migration to us.

As far as New Mac hardware? You know us...we are always up for some new Mac hardware...and Mac Pros and MacBook Airs are definitely due. We just wonder if there will even be time to talk about the Macs at this year's WWDC as even the Apple design awards are excluding Macintosh applications.

Shaw Wu isn't terribly accurate in his predictions historically so grain-salt.

Regardless of the source, the whole "iTunes going cloud" aspect of things is certainly something that is going to happen, and with Apple closing LaLa recently, it would seem that they are gearing up for this more in the short term than the long term.

Here's to hoping.

 

[DECK'ARD]

Do Orange have decent Edge coverage? Edge is all I want 99% of the time.

Yeah, Orange were the first to roll out Edge donkeys years ago. O2 only started implementing it on the release of the iPhone to make up for their lack of 3G coverage.

 

[Manics]

iTunes going to the cloud, Mac Pro and Macbook Air Updates at WWDC?



Regardless of the source, the whole "iTunes going cloud" aspect of things is certainly something that is going to happen, and with Apple closing LaLa recently, it would seem that they are gearing up for this more in the short term than the long term.

Here's to hoping.

What exactly does "going to the cloud" mean anyway? If I have 100GB of music am I suddenly supposed to upload all that shit to iTunes online or will iTunes have a streaming direct to my iPhone capability sort of like a "Simplify Media" app?

 

[TheGreatDave]

Yeah, Orange were the first to roll out Edge donkeys years ago. O2 only started implementing it on the release of the iPhone to make up for their lack of 3G coverage.

Then maybe I should switch. Thanks.

 

[Keylime]

What exactly does "going to the cloud" mean anyway? If I have 100GB of music am I suddenly supposed to upload all that shit to iTunes online or will iTunes have a streaming direct to my iPhone capability sort of like a "Simplify Media" app?

I'd assume their implementation will be:

"If you've bought your music through iTunes, all of that content will be available for streaming to various devices through the cloud."​

Not

"You can upload all of your pirated/ripped/purchased-elsewhere content to the iTunes cloud for streaming elsewhere on varioud devices."​

 

[LCfiner]

iTunes going to the cloud, Mac Pro and Macbook Air Updates at WWDC?



Regardless of the source, the whole "iTunes going cloud" aspect of things is certainly something that is going to happen, and with Apple closing LaLa recently, it would seem that they are gearing up for this more in the short term than the long term.

Here's to hoping.

I'd love for them to announce this now instead of waiting for the music event in September. Apple's cloud services are seriously lagging behind Google and that's way more important now as they start to focus on tablets and phones.

mobileme is better than .mac was but the idea of cloud services is still not pervasive in their DNA as a company. I'd like to see them work harder at catching up to google with cloud syncing, backups, etc.

 

[DECK'ARD]

Then maybe I should switch. Thanks.

Yeah, have no complaints about Orange.

They also have 3.5G coverage, my little netbook on Orange is already picking that up and it's very good. Not sure if the 3GS already supports 3.5G, but hopefully the new one will.

 

[Manics]

I'd assume their implementation will be:

"If you've bought your music through iTunes, all of that content will be available for streaming to various devices through the cloud."

Not

"You can upload all of your pirated/ripped/purchased-elsewhere content to the iTunes cloud for streaming elsewhere on varioud devices."

Yeah that's really crippled. There are tons of people who have massive CD collections ripped to mp3s (like me). If I can't have access to all that online because it wasn't purchased in iTunes it sucks ass.

 

[dskillzhtown]

What exactly does "going to the cloud" mean anyway? If I have 100GB of music am I suddenly supposed to upload all that shit to iTunes online or will iTunes have a streaming direct to my iPhone capability sort of like a "Simplify Media" app?

I get the feeling that is what Google is trying to get to eventually. Maybe Apple will beat them to the punch. I am not sure how technically it would all work though.

 

[Manics]

I get the feeling that is what Google is trying to get to eventually. Maybe Apple will beat them to the punch. I am not sure how technically it would all work though.

I'd rather have the option of flipping a switch on iTunes to make it a media server to stream music and videos directly to my iPhone. That way whether you purchased the media in or out of iTunes you can have it available to your device.

 

[Keylime]

I don't think it makes legal or business sense for Apple to give that "stream anything" functionality to all users.

Do you really expect Apple to allow people to upload pirated content to their servers for them to host?

Should they host your ripped CDs, as well as all the ripped CDs of every person who wants to use the service? They'd have 5000 duplicate copies of the same song, or ones with varying bitrates or lengths.

It only makes sense that Apple just opens up all of their iTunes content to be streamed, since they already have and host all of the content anyways. Nothing additional would need to uploaded to make it happen, and it encourages people to buy their content through iTunes if you want to take advantage of the feature.

...for those who don't, there's those other apps you're talking about to stream the content on your local system.

/shrug

 

[Manics]

I don't think it makes legal or business sense for Apple to give that "stream anything" functionality to all users.

Do you really expect Apple to allow people to upload pirated content to their servers for them to host?

Should they host your ripped CDs, as well as all the ripped CDs of every person who wants to use the service? They'd have 5000 duplicate copies of the same song, or ones with varying bitrates or lengths.

It only makes sense that Apple just opens up all of their iTunes content to be streamed, since they already have and host all of the content anyways. Nothing additional would need to uploaded to make it happen, and it encourages people to buy their content through iTunes if you want to take advantage of the feature.

...for those who don't, there's those other apps you're talking about to stream the content on your local system.

/shrug

They should have both options available. Your computer running a media-server iTunes that you are logged into with your account and it's streaming all your content to your devices. If you purchased the content through iTunes there's no need to store it on your computer, but if you've ripped it or downloaded it before iTunes "went to the cloud", then you can stream it directly from your PC.

In essence the iTunes running on your PC could aggregate all your media, stuff on your PC and stuff you've purchased that sits on the cloud.

Edit: i don't really like the cloud option at all. You think Apple is gonna let you use their cloud services for free? They'll charge you per month to stream media from their servers. This option is sounding worse and worse. Once I pay for a CD I don't want to have to pay again for each subsequent listen.

 

[Keylime]

They should have both options available. Your computer running a media-server iTunes that you are logged into with your account and it's streaming all your content to your devices. If you purchased the content through iTunes there's no need to store it on your computer, but if you've ripped it or downloaded it before iTunes "went to the cloud", then you can stream it directly from your PC.

That's pretty anti-developer of you!

What about the poor app creators that already provide this functionality for basically nothing (like 5 bucks)? Apple implementing this themselves really isn't a need at this point, as what you're talking about already exists and pretty established fashion.

Orb, Stream2Me, AirVideo...all do this now and pretty darn well.

Apple's intention isn't to replace those services for everyone, but to provide extra incentive to buy from them and "reward" those people by giving them an added plus of remote streaming.

...either way, this is all just speculation. Who knows what they've really go up their sleeve.

Edit: i don't really like the cloud option at all. You think Apple is gonna let you use their cloud services for free? They'll charge you per month to stream media from their servers. This option is sounding worse and worse. Once I pay for a CD I don't want to have to pay again for each subsequent listen.

Who knows what they are going to do, but you could certainly argue that getting new customers into the iTunes Store due to this feature is substantially more important than just getting an extra 5 bucks a month from existing customers.

Increase marketshare, increase potential for substantially more profit.

We'll see.