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[mrkgoo]

By royal decree, there should be one of these kinds of threads at least once a week.

Anyway, I made the decision to get a new computer since my PII 233, 64Mb, 3GB HD. Just wasn't cutting it anymore. I also made teh decsion to go Mac-side. Why? A number of reasons:

* I'm not a computery type person, so wanted something simple, and easy to access.
* Despite being an XP user at work (there aren't many Macs), and my general pleasure at using it, I figured the MacOS couldn't have been that much of a stretch to switch to (afterall, all operating systems at least attempt to be user friendly).
* People keep telling me about the stability of Mac Os (whther this is true or not, I had no idea). In general Mac-users couldn't bestow the virtues of Mac any greater, but they, of course, could've been biased.
* I was planning on getting a laptop, and the Apple Laptops are pure sexiness - and as far as costs go, you don't actually pay that much more compared to PCs for a 12" (which are typically MORE expensive than larger ones for PCs it seems).
* I liked to believe that Apple's spiel about hardware/software development going hand-in-hand to be an advantage.
* I felt reluctant about the one-button thing, but seeing as you could just buy and use a 3-button, it became a non-issue.
* I wanted to run a few unix programs.

So eventually, when I (sort of ) amassed the funds, I purchased a 12" Powerbook. So what do I think?

I love it.

Now all new computers run smoothly, at least for the first short while, but I've had very few probelms with my system. I'm really happy with the gorgeous OS. Everything seems really simple and well laid out. I'm not missing the second button as much as I though - the OS is certainly designed for operation with one (having said that, I still use a 3-button with scroll wheel- becasue it IS more efficient).

I liek some of the neat features of the powerbook itself, like the scroll pad feature, and some standard laptop stuff like sleep.

I generally enjoy the simplicity of everything. The iLife suite of programs are all fantastic, and mostly intuitive. i liek the way things work as you (mostly) expect them to.

I do miss a few things from Windows. The viewing thumbs/slideshow built straight into teh folder. Also, it seems somethings like Expose, as great as it is, which is one of the show-off features of MAcs is only necessary becasue of MAc OS lack of a true taskbar. Not that I really miss that, since it does the whole desktop thing differently -not worse, nor better, just different.

I realise a lot of my gushing is because of simply upgrading my home computer for the first time in 6-7 years (I have discovered tabbed browsing!), but some things I feel a generally great on Macs. Not least of all is that everything is relatively standard across mac users. Hav e aprobelm with software or hardware? Chances are someone has had the same problem and an answer can be found really easily on the net at Mac-sites.

Curious a little about other PC-to mac (or vice versa) users that made the change and your experiences.

 

[Cerebral Palsy]

Welcome

 

[Lil' Dice]

Whenever someone at work asks me to help them out with their Mac i cry on the inside.
Glad you're enjoying yours, i almost bought an Apple notebook myself.

 

[mrkgoo]

Whenever someone at work asks me to help them out with their Mac i cry on the inside.
Glad you're enjoying yours, i almost bought an Apple notebook myself.

Cry in jealousy, or cry in sadness?

Now that I review my thread, it has to be the most bland and uninspiring posts ever. I'm surprised you replied!

But yes, Apple notebooks are cool, no matter what you think of the OS or price.

 

[Zaptruder]

As long as you don't plan on gaming much, Macs make fine machines.

But how's Mac support for video codecs?

I couldn't see myself getting a Mac; way too much software that I own and use only comes in a PC flavour... otherwise I'd spring for one in an instant for a second comp.

 

[Lil' Dice]

Cry in jealousy, or cry in sadness?

Now that I review my thread, it has to be the most bland and uninspiring posts ever. I'm surprised you replied!

But yes, Apple notebooks are cool, no matter what you think of the OS or price.

I cry in sadness. File management is much more intuitive on a PC IMO.
Our company is in the process of eliminating all Macs and replacing them with PCs.

 

[mrkgoo]

I cry in sadness. File management is much more intuitive on a PC IMO.
Our company is in the process of eliminating all Macs and replacing them with PCs.

Ah, I see. Just curious, but what do you mean by more intuitive? How are the two systems laid out to make PC much better?

Certainly many things seem more intuitive on the older system, when switching from on to another.

Zaptruder: Nah, not really that interested in gaming on computers. Could never bother with upgrades, updates, and patches. There's a heavy internet requirement for computer gaming thesedays becasue of that, and I'm still on dialup.

I got Windows Media player for MAc, and works well. Strangely, I bought Office for MaC, because i use word/excel/powerpoint alot, and would liek to continue, not to mention have compatibility with work pcs. Mac Office 2004 seems miles better than their pc counterparts.

 

[Lil' Dice]

I prefer the Windows Explorer environment as opposed to the Mac OS layout, i feels more comprehensive with more search/view options.

 

[demon]

I cry in sadness. File management is much more intuitive on a PC IMO.
Our company is in the process of eliminating all Macs and replacing them with PCs.

I myself have always found the Windows interface to be more intuitive in general than the Mac OS.

 

[Cerebral Palsy]

:lol

 

[demon]

oh shit I'm in the midst of a PC vs Mac debate........*bail out!*

 

[DMczaf]

oh shit I'm in the midst of a PC vs Mac debate........*bail out!*

 

[mrkgoo]

I prefer the Windows Explorer environment as opposed to the Mac OS layout, i feels more comprehensive with more search/view options.

I think I know what you mean... there are lots of view options in Windows (like as I said before, for images) which don't seem to be present in Mac OS. It seems in Mac, everything is accessed by the one Finder program, but it has a columns layout, that I never used in Windows (if it's there), and it's fantastic.

I wonder how much 'intuitiveness' is actually just familarity. Having said that I wonder how much of my 'ease of use' I get is simply from having a new system (ie. tidy).

 

[fse]

dig deeper

 

[Smiles and Cries]

*hugs my Powerbook with OS X Tiger*

Don't worry about them baby I will always love you best

 

[fse]

I love tiger I just got it today.

 

[Wendo]

I myself have always found the Windows interface to be more intuitive in general than the Mac OS.

Agreed.

 

[Manabanana]

As long as you don't plan on gaming much, Macs make fine machines.

I realize this could just be a general statement, but he got a laptop. A 12" at that. Regardless of platform, that's not a gaming rig so it's kind of a moot point here.

About the OS being designed for one mouse button...I don't think so. I have 5 buttons and a scroll wheel and that's not enough. Exposé sort of necessitates at least 5.

 

[SuperPac]

I do miss a few things from Windows. The viewing thumbs/slideshow built straight into teh folder.

Well, you can do that in Tiger. In the Finder, just highlight the images you wanna slideshow, control-click them (I think), and one of the options is "View Slideshow." If you want to thumbnail them, there's an icon that appears overlaid over the currently running slideshow that will zoom out and show you thumbs of all the images, just as it would if you were using iPhoto. It's pretty slick. Perfect for porno.

Also, it seems somethings like Expose, as great as it is, which is one of the show-off features of MAcs is only necessary becasue of MAc OS lack of a true taskbar. Not that I really miss that, since it does the whole desktop thing differently -not worse, nor better, just different.

Not sure what you mean... you can always command-tab and that brings up the list of currently running apps. Selecting one out of there brings all of that application's open windows to the front.

 

[borghe]

people who say Windows is more intuitive are smoking crack. having been using computers all the way back to vic-20 and virtually everything in between, you end up getting REALLY used to an OS and everything else seems less intuitive. When I went from DOS on IBM to Workbench on Amiga, Workbecnh was WAY less intuitive. Then when I went back to DOS and windows years later, Workbench was way more intuitive.. there are many other examples..

Windows does have some nice features, but don't going kidding yourself that it is intuitive. it seems that way because we have been using explorer for essentially 15 years give or take.. but it isn't very intuitive to non-windows users.

anyway, grats on your mac purchase. one of these days I will just go out and buy one. I am a computer upgrader by nature, so spending anything over $400-500 at one time on a computer is hard for me to do nowadays. but one day I will just bite the bullet and get a mac to play around with.

and to the guy who asked about codecs. if it can be played on windows, it can be played on a mac (or linux for that matter).

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

I agree with borghe on this one. I use both Mac's and PC's at the Office and a PC at home, and it's a matter of fimiliarity more than anything else. But the Windows Operating System doesn't come close to being as intuitive as the Mac OS for the user who is equally proficient on both platforms. The Mac just plain works better for most things, and that isn't by mistake. Apple does tons of research on how to make the interface as easy to use as possible, and has a strict set of guidelines to help decide how things should work.

Windows has indeed gotten a lot better over the years, and I don't think the gap is quite as big as it once was, but Apple still has the edge in being easy to use. I support a moderatly large staff of faculty, support staff, and students, and my Windows users have a larger proportion of issues than my Mac users. I'm not talking about probelms with hardware, things working, etc. I'm simply referring to navigation, understanding the layout, finding thing, etc. Just my observation.

 

[CaptainABAB]

I hope your computer came with Tiger. It would suck to buy a computer days before the new OS came out and then find out you need to spend $130 or so to get it.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

I hope your computer came with Tiger. It would suck to buy a computer days before the new OS came out and then find out you need to spend $130 or so to get it.

Apple will send you a free copy of the OS if you've bought it 30 days (might be 45) prior to the new OS coming out. Apple's kind of thoughtful that way!

 

[StrikerObi]

Apple will send you a free copy of the OS if you've bought it 30 days (might be 45) prior to the new OS coming out. Apple's kind of thoughtful that way!

The deal runs until July 22. If your Mac comes with Panther you can get Tiger shipped to you for $10.

 

[Macam]

I bought a 15" Powerbook last year. As far as how I like it, well, let's just say I use my laptop even at home, despite having a year-old custom self-built desktop PC. Soon as I can afford to, I'll make the jump to a proper desktop G5. It's been debated to death, here and otherwise, so I'll refrain from taking things any further than that.

As far as window management, Expose is leagues better than a taskbar -- and the Dock can actually double as one in any case (one that groups windows of the same program anyway). If you Ctrl+click (or right click) on an open program, you'll get a list of open windows within that program as well as a few other options; and since most any open program will have their icon in the Dock, it's effectively your taskbar. Expose just acts on top of it.

Tiger is fantastic as is iLife '05, at least from my first full day with them. Tiger's a *tad* buggy, but that should be smoothed out shortly. I've already drawn in the Dashboard and Spotlight entirely into my workflow, and soon as I can dedicate some time, I'll give Automator a real hard look and see how it can help me out. Point in case, I'm quite pleased that the Dashboard supports multiple instances of widgets, as though I was using Meteorologist in my Menu Bar for realtime desktop weather reports, the ability to have Dashboard display the weather for both Austin and Houston for example, makes it far more useful.

 

[Kuramu]

As far as window management, Expose is leagues better than a taskbar -- and the Dock can actually double as one in any case (one that groups windows of the same program anyway). If you Ctrl+click (or right click) on an open program, you'll get a list of open windows within that program as well as a few other options; and since most any open program will have their icon in the Dock, it's effectively your taskbar. Expose just acts on top of it.

you don't have to Ctrl click, you can hold the mouse button down for a sec too

 

[Lil' Dice]

people who say Windows is more intuitive are smoking crack. having been using computers all the way back to vic-20 and virtually everything in between, you end up getting REALLY used to an OS and everything else seems less intuitive. When I went from DOS on IBM to Workbench on Amiga, Workbecnh was WAY less intuitive. Then when I went back to DOS and windows years later, Workbench was way more intuitive.. there are many other examples..

Windows does have some nice features, but don't going kidding yourself that it is intuitive. it seems that way because we have been using explorer for essentially 15 years give or take.. but it isn't very intuitive to non-windows users.

anyway, grats on your mac purchase. one of these days I will just go out and buy one. I am a computer upgrader by nature, so spending anything over $400-500 at one time on a computer is hard for me to do nowadays. but one day I will just bite the bullet and get a mac to play around with.

and to the guy who asked about codecs. if it can be played on windows, it can be played on a mac (or linux for that matter).

It's funy you say that, because i almost bought a Powerbook while high on crack.

 

[IAmtheFMan]

I graduated high school in 2000, and there we were required to have laptops with Windows running on them. I kept my laptop; a PII, 400 mhz Dell Laptop till my 3rd year of college. At that point, I started running into problems with it. I'm not the most computer savvy person out there, but my system starting flubbing up. The touch pad wouldn't register where the mouse was going, and just start jumping all over the screen. I tried a regular mouse, but it did the same thing. Furthermore, I would open up a Microsoft program (Word or Excel) and the computer would chug... chug somemore... and then just crash. It got to the point where I would restart, and I couldn't even get into my computer unless it was in safe mode.

I called up Dell's free tech site, and they redirected me to another site. I had to wait about 2 hours on the phone waiting for them to talk to me, which surprised me since I was told by many how Dell had great tech support. They took me through the basics "Control Alt Del, safe modes, etc." Finally they had me open up the microsoft programs and read the errors. I did so, and the dude pauses and goes "wow, that's really messed up. Call Microsoft." At this point, I was pretty damn frustrated.

I called up Microsoft's tech; which I remember costing me 30 dollars for something or other, but anyways I talk to the guy and he takes me through the basics again. I read the error back to him and again... he pauses and goes "wow that's messed up, just do a clean wipe of your hard drive." I'm like "that's it? That's the best you got for 30 dollars?" And since I could only load up in safe mode, it wasn't recognizing my Zip or CD drive, so I couldn't back shit up more than 1.44 mb's which meant all of my larger document files, lab work, powerpoints and stuff that I needed for school were LOST.

At that point, I was so frustrated that I needed a break from a Windows unit and soon thereafter I went (back I guess) to Mac (although my last Mac before my current iMac was a Performa 6300.) I've been loving it; the only thing I do miss is having comp games, but the only ones that you really can't get on the Xbox or consoles in general for that matter are RTS's, other strategy games, MMORPG's which I didn't really play, and the latest and greatest FPS's which for the most part make their way to consoles anyhow. Oh... and Civ 3 was available for Mac, so I was all right.

 

[Phoenix]

I love my Macs. I'm on year 3 or 4 of conversion.

I will say that there is much about Windows Explorer that I still think is better than Finder. While there are of course 3rd party applications that can give you all of explorers functionality in the finder - if Apple would just give me a box that I could type a path into, my biggest gripe about Finder would be resolved. I think that out of the whole of OSX, the Finder is the weakest link.

 

[Macam]

I love my Macs. I'm on year 3 or 4 of conversion.

I will say that there is much about Windows Explorer that I still think is better than Finder. While there are of course 3rd party applications that can give you all of explorers functionality in the finder - if Apple would just give me a box that I could type a path into, my biggest gripe about Finder would be resolved. I think that out of the whole of OSX, the Finder is the weakest link.

The Finder debate has been raging for some times (it still is over at Ars), and I agree somewhat; in the meantime, PathFinder (www.cocoatech.com) is quality. Generally speaking, if there's one thing I enjoy about the Macs is how polished a good chunk of the third party programs are.

 

[el jacko]

But how's Mac support for video codecs?

Actually fairly up to date; the only codecs you can't watch are WMV codecs that either require WMP (because it sucks) or were made after the latest WMP (late 2002). Aside from WMV there's full codec support (that I know of at least).

EDIT: Apparently there's something in existence to help now. I haven't tested it at all yet but reports seem to point in its favor.

 

[mrkgoo]

About the OS being designed for one mouse button...I don't think so. I have 5 buttons and a scroll wheel and that's not enough. Exposé sort of necessitates at least 5.

Yup... I see what you mean, but I'm just saying that I don't really miss the second button (when I'm using the trackpad anyway). I'm sure every user has their own preferences for how many shorcuts they'd like on their mouse, depending on their frequency of use of those functions, but it's like a lot of things I would right-click on on windows, a normal left click on Mac Os seems to suffice, or a hold-click. Overall, I'd probably prefer two buttons atleast, but it seems many of the functions in Mac have been subverted to shortcut combinations on the keyboard (which may seem archaic to some)...I'm not saying it's better, but everything seems mostly efficient with just one button, at least for my purposes. Yes, I also understand Windows can function with one-button, but it just seems that Mac is more usable on one than Windows on one. Whther this is a good thing or not is another matter.

Well, you can do that in Tiger. In the Finder, just highlight the images you wanna slideshow, control-click them (I think), and one of the options is "View Slideshow." If you want to thumbnail them, there's an icon that appears overlaid over the currently running slideshow that will zoom out and show you thumbs of all the images, just as it would if you were using iPhoto. It's pretty slick. Perfect for porno.

Couldn't get that to work, but I see what you mean...but my point is that it's open, right there in Windows XP, which I like...no need to open anything. The windows image viewer is part of the folder, sort of. It seems like heaps of stuff is possible on Mac OS *IF* you command-click this, or katarl-click that... it's there, but not intuitively accessible for new comers (sometimes). I'm sure as familiarity of the system takes hold, everything will seem to get better.

Not sure what you mean... you can always command-tab and that brings up the list of currently running apps. Selecting one out of there brings all of that application's open windows to the front.

Once again, yes, Mac can do this (just like Windows, in fact ), but I did use the task bar a lot in Windows, to quickly access other programs I was running. I could Alt-tab also, but why when I could just click on the program on a list right there? It's not that bad on MAc, but just a little thing I miss...I'm sure in time, I'll get used to it (already am, actually)...and I can always configure some stuff to get expose on quick mouse shortcuts or something. Although, I tend to be a person to mostly keep default configurations, unless it really annoys me..I try to learn the system configuration and get used to that (Like controls in Console games - I figure it's the 'natural' way the developers intended).

Although, having said that, I suppose the Dock is really like a task bar - most of the programs will bounce aorund in that when they're running...but it doesn't have every little window open like Windows does (a good and bad thing at times).

Windows does have some nice features, but don't going kidding yourself that it is intuitive. it seems that way because we have been using explorer for essentially 15 years give or take.. but it isn't very intuitive to non-windows users.

and to the guy who asked about codecs. if it can be played on windows, it can be played on a mac (or linux for that matter).

Windows Media Player came with my copy of Office...and it runs WMVs brilliantly. Yeah, love my Mac so far...I think as most have suggested, that the operating systems (Xp vs OSX) are actually mostly caught up with each other (I dare not say who to who ,though )...good features eventuall make it to the other. It's mostly a case of familiarity, as opposed to intuitiveness, I suppose. AS I use my mac more and more, I get used to teh way I need to do things, and become more lieka 'Mac-user' (getting used to using shortcut keys more and more).

Apple will send you a free copy of the OS if you've bought it 30 days (might be 45) prior to the new OS coming out. Apple's kind of thoughtful that way!

Yeah, thoughtful...like a fox! Actually, I get to send away to Apple Aus for a 'free' copy of Tiger, since I bought my comp after 12th April. Not sure if it's a proper retail version, or just ugrade discs, but I say 'free', because I have to pay the cost of shipping and the media Price = NZ$16.50. Muche cheaper than the NZ$225 or whatever it costs to get Tiger proper, but had I waited out the week to get my powerbook, I'd probably have it completely free.

I bought a 15" Powerbook last year. As far as how I like it, well, let's just say I use my laptop even at home, despite having a year-old custom self-built desktop PC. Soon as I can afford to, I'll make the jump to a proper desktop G5. It's been debated to death, here and otherwise, so I'll refrain from taking things any further than that.

As far as window management, Expose is leagues better than a taskbar -- and the Dock can actually double as one in any case (one that groups windows of the same program anyway). If you Ctrl+click (or right click) on an open program, you'll get a list of open windows within that program as well as a few other options; and since most any open program will have their icon in the Dock, it's effectively your taskbar. Expose just acts on top of it.

Tiger is fantastic as is iLife '05, at least from my first full day with them. Tiger's a *tad* buggy, but that should be smoothed out shortly. I've already drawn in the Dashboard and Spotlight entirely into my workflow, and soon as I can dedicate some time, I'll give Automator a real hard look and see how it can help me out. Point in case, I'm quite pleased that the Dashboard supports multiple instances of widgets, as though I was using Meteorologist in my Menu Bar for realtime desktop weather reports, the ability to have Dashboard display the weather for both Austin and Houston for example, makes it far more useful

Yup...I'me learning more and more that the dock is Apple's taskbar - more lcuttered in someways, but less in others. I really like iLife 'o5 suite... I'm finidng I'm doing some stuff I'd never have done without these programs (orgnaising photo albums, making DVDs etc). Liek I said, it's probably more the upgrade from a 7-year old computer more than anything, but I'm really enjoying my Mac. I'll take advantage of the Tiger upgrade offer, but I think I'll hold back on installing it, seeing as it has a few bugs (might wait until .1 or .2), especially sinc eI'm really happy with 3.9 at the moment.

 

[Phoenix]

The Finder debate has been raging for some times (it still is over at Ars), and I agree somewhat; in the meantime, PathFinder (www.cocoatech.com) is quality. Generally speaking, if there's one thing I enjoy about the Macs is how polished a good chunk of the third party programs are.

PathFinder is one of the replacements that I have used, but I have often found it to be slow and clunky in a lot of ways.

 

[shantyman]

Some would say Spotlight renders the finder obsolete. When a PC was my primary machine I never used Windows Explorer, so I had no problems with the OS 9 oe X finder.

 

[Phoenix]

Some would say Spotlight renders the finder obsolete. When a PC was my primary machine I never used Windows Explorer, so I had no problems with the OS 9 oe X finder.

Spotlight is cool, but its not that intelligent nor fast enough to replace the finder. If I know where something is, I can get to it much much faster than Spotlight ever could. Spotlight is good for finding objects in random heaps/collections of metadata. If you don't need that, it just gets in the way.

 

[FightyF]

Got a 15" Powerbook just recently, and my business partner will be using it for the most part.

It's like hitting a brick wall, in terms of my productivity. Simple tasks that I can do on the PC in seconds, is taking me hours on the Mac.

Not really happy with it at all.

 

[Phoenix]

Got a 15" Powerbook just recently, and my business partner will be using it for the most part.

It's like hitting a brick wall, in terms of my productivity. Simple tasks that I can do on the PC in seconds, is taking me hours on the Mac.

Not really happy with it at all.

What tasks are costing you several orders of magnitude in productivity?

 

[FightyF]

Changing file extensions.

:lol

 

[Phoenix]

Changing file extensions.

:lol

I hate to ask, but why are file extension changes taking you hours? If you want to see them to change them, you can always go into the Finder Preferences, go into the Advanced tab, and click the option to SHow all file extensions. Then you can change them as much as you want right in the finder and it would be no different than changing them in Windows.

 

[Teddman]

Macs need more than one mouse button.

 

[Phoenix]

Macs need more than one mouse button.

Plug in a mouse with more than one button - problem solved.

 

[tedtropy]

Plug in a mouse with more than one button - problem solved.

:lol

Really, the thing isn't hard-wired into the machine.

 

[Lil' Dice]

I hate to ask, but why are file extension changes taking you hours? If you want to see them to change them, you can always go into the Finder Preferences, go into the Advanced tab, and click the option to SHow all file extensions. Then you can change them as much as you want right in the finder and it would be no different than changing them in Windows.

There's also a small program that you can get that will change the file extension for multiple files at a time. You can change an entire folder's contents with one fell swoop.

 

[Mad Hatter]

A couple of things you might like to use:


PicturePop: This is a free contextual menu item that lets you right-click on any picture and bring up a thumbnail like in Windows.

Privoxy: sweet sweet customizable ad blocking method. Best for use with Safari (which in Tiger totally owns me for free)

 

[FightyF]

I hate to ask, but why are file extension changes taking you hours? If you want to see them to change them, you can always go into the Finder Preferences, go into the Advanced tab, and click the option to SHow all file extensions. Then you can change them as much as you want right in the finder and it would be no different than changing them in Windows.

I'll admit I was distracted by other issues, I was trying to find out how to also get it networked with my Windows network so I could share the printer as well. I think I'm getting there (as far as getting access to the windows network goes).

Thanks for the help. I know some mac freaks but I couldn't get a hold of them. The fact of the matter is that I have to relearn a lot of stuff for the Mac, and it's going to take me some time. Unless I bother my mac friends or ask tons of questions on the forum, it is going to take me a while. At this point in time I don't feel like investing that kind of time. Maybe later.

 

[cvxfreak]

I use a computer for word processing and internet, basically.

Word Processing via MS Word for Mac > Windows counterpart

Internet surfing on Mac >>>>>>> Windows counterpart

If you think about it, a Mac would appeal more to the common person who does nothing but type up letters or surfs the internet.

 

[Teddman]

Plug in a mouse with more than one button - problem solved.

I'm aware of that, but since Apple ships a one-button mouse with all of their models, that's the one you see 99% of the time at universities and workplaces. It's a dumb choice to seem "simple" and "intuitive" when it really doesn't work nearly as well as a standard mouse would. No, I don't like holding down the ctrl key.

 

[cvxfreak]

I'm aware of that, but since Apple ships a one-button mouse with all of their models, that's the one you see 99% of the time at universities and workplaces. It's a dumb choice to seem "simple" and "intuitive" when it really doesn't work nearly as well as a standard mouse would. No, I don't like holding down the ctrl key.

Is Apple developing a two-button mouse?

I just plugged my old USB two-button mouse in and even though it doesn't feel as comfortable or look as nice as the Apple mouse, it feels more natural.

 

[Craig Majaski]

Congrats on getting a Mac. I was converted almost 4 years ago

I have an odd question. I used to be able to right click on my "Back" button in Safari and it would show a list of sites I had visited. Now when I right click it comes up with a small menu that lets me customize the menu bar, etc. This changed when I got Tiger. Anyone know how to change it back? I know I can left click and hold and it'll show the list of sites, but I'm SO used to right clicking and it's bothering me.

Thanks.

 

[FreakyFink]

Congrats on getting a Mac. I was converted almost 4 years ago

I have an odd question. I used to be able to right click on my "Back" button in Safari and it would show a list of sites I had visited. Now when I right click it comes up with a small menu that lets me customize the menu bar, etc. This changed when I got Tiger. Anyone know how to change it back? I know I can left click and hold and it'll show the list of sites, but I'm SO used to right clicking and it's bothering me.

Thanks.

I never knew right-click on Safari arrows was assigned to backward/forward tab/window recent history in previous Safari versions. As far as I know, it's always been (and still is) hold left-click on either arrow.

Hope this helps.