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Google I/O 2010 Thread of Moving to the Clouds and eating Froyo

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kaching

"GAF's biggest wanker"
Deadman said:
Sony, MS and Nintendo should really do this for E3, would be much better than the fragmented and often crashing streams we usually get.
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Well, it ain't working for me at all here so it's not necessarily better from where I'm standing.
 
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D4Danger

Unconfirmed Member
kharma45 said:
I missed the IE dig, what did they say/do?
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"supported in all modern browsers" with a graph in the background showing IE doesn't support any of the stuff he was talking about.
 
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Zombie James

Banned
kharma45 said:
I missed the IE dig, what did they say/do?
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It was a graph showing HTML5 browser support. Basically every browser supported every feature except for IE, and the guy said, "HTML5 has gained support across all modern browsers" (or something like that).
 
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D4Danger

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VP8 open source & royalty free confirmed

megaton!

edit: google are converting their entire Youtube catalogue to VP8 :O
 
Keylime

Keylime

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Yeah, let's hear from the Opera guy... :lol

Good stuff on VP8, though.
 
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ThatObviousUser

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Didn't I claim like two months ago Google would convert YouTube to an open codec way before Mozilla added H.264 to Firefox? Doubters suck it! :D
 
Keylime

Keylime

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Mozilla: "We think Flash sucks, too and needs to go the hell away."

*applause*

...

Basically what just happened without saying it directly.
 
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SimleuqiR

Member
Andrex said:
Didn't I claim like two months ago Google would convert YouTube to an open codec way before Mozilla added H.264 to Firefox? Doubters suck it! :D
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:lol

I'm blown away by HTML5.
This is good news for my company's website.
 
Keylime

Keylime

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Zombie James said:
This is an awesome demo.
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Really impressed with the HTML5 sample page they made using all the open standards. Had never seen animation done like that before.

Very promising.
kaching said:
Rubx, can the agenda, please.
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No agenda...it's what happened. Did you hear him?
 
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gofreak

GAF's Bob Woodward
How many browsers support html5 right now?

I'm dying to use svg inline without xhtml, and I believe you can do that with 5, but I don't know if it's worth my while building something around html5 now or trying to hack something in the meantime.
 
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kaching

"GAF's biggest wanker"
RubxQub said:
No agenda...it's what happened. Did you hear him?
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I wish I could, but you clearly indicated that you were translating, which isn't necessary. By all means, quote what he actually said, if you'd like.
 
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ThatObviousUser

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BTW the second keynote with Android is tomorrow at 8:30 PST/11:30 EST. They may talk about some Android stuff today but they're saving most of it for tomorrow from what I hear.

gofreak said:
How many browsers support html5 right now?

I'm dying to use svg inline without xhtml, and I believe you can do that with 5, but I don't know if it's worth my while building something around html5 now or trying to hack something in the meantime.
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Depends on your audience. I think all the major non-IE browsers can do it, and IE9 can do it but that's a bit off.
 
Keylime

Keylime

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kaching said:
I wish I could, but you clearly indicated that you were translating, which isn't necessary. By all means, quote what he actually said, if you'd like.
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I wasn't transcribing, but it was basically:

"We don't think that the web should be held down by any one company's propriety software, and that the web should be implemented using open standards, so we fully embrace the opening of VP8 and WebM."

If that isn't a direct line at Adobe Flash (isn't this whole part of the conference basically that?), I don't know what is.

...

Adobe about to pimp Canvas, which is smart on their end. At least they recognize what the future is and are trying to establish themselves as tools developers for the new future.
 
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voodoojohn

Banned
Andrex said:
BTW the second keynote with Android is tomorrow at 8:30 PST/11:30 EST. They may talk about some Android stuff today but they're saving most of it for tomorrow from what I hear.
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Oh God damn it. Why am I awake?
 
Keylime

Keylime

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It does seem like people are forgetting the touch interfaces (mobile web devices) don't really have hover capability since they don't have pointing devices.

I hope more and more sites depend less and hover and more on click.

It's a great effect for the desktop experience, but it doesn't translate at all to the mobile space.
 
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kaching

"GAF's biggest wanker"
RubxQub said:
I wasn't transcribing, but it was basically:

"We don't think that the web should be held down by any one company's propriety software, and that the web should be implemented using open standards, so we fully embrace the opening of VP8 and WebM."

If that isn't a direct line at Adobe Flash (isn't this whole part of the conference basically that?), I don't know what is.
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See, here's the problem... According to Tom Krazit who's liveblogging for CNET here, this is what he actually said:

cnet said:
"We've seen what can happen when the terms change on the whim of one organization," Shaver said, drawing applause for the clear reference to Apple's battles with Adobe's Flash.
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Which really refers more to Apple's actions than Adobe's.
 
tfur

tfur

Member
RubxQub said:
I wasn't transcribing, but it was basically:

"We don't think that the web should be held down by any one company's propriety software, and that the web should be implemented using open standards, so we fully embrace the opening of VP8 and WebM."

If that isn't a direct line at Adobe Flash (isn't this whole part of the conference basically that?), I don't know what is.

...

Adobe about to pimp Canvas, which is smart on their end. At least they recognize what the future is and are trying to establish themselves as tools developers for the new future.
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I thought that was in reference to Apple and Steve Jobs threatening to go after the Theora project for patent infringement.
 
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ThatObviousUser

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DreamWeaver zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Cool that they have Adobe there. Still hoping they'll demo HTML5 export in CS6.

Edit- Oh crap! They have a program for animating and exporting CSS/JS! Woot. Just what I wanted from them. :D
 
Keylime

Keylime

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I guess we hear what we want to hear, then. I thought it was a pretty clear jab at Flash, not Apple. The context was HTML5, which Apple has nothing to do with aside from their support of H.264 over Theora previously.

His comments seemed pretty clearly about Flash, but whatever! Small point.
 
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krzy123

Member
RubxQub said:
If that isn't a direct line at Adobe Flash (isn't this whole part of the conference basically that?), I don't know what is.
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I'm pretty sure its shot at anyone who "claims" using to be open standards without using open source style licensing in conjunction with it. True open standards should all be open source, imo.
 
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Priz

Member
Withnail said:
Here's hoping for Froyo on the G1.

I think I need a new phone.
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I'm running 5.0.7-test4 DS and 2.1 runs snappy on my G1. It's enough to hold me over until my next upgrade. :)

You should consider installing it as I felt the same way (about needing to upgrade) but this is pretty solid! (LauncherPro makes it even better.)
 
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giga

Member
http://x264dev.multimedia.cx/?p=377

VP8, as a spec, should be a bit better than H.264 Baseline Profile and VC-1. It’s not even close to competitive with H.264 Main or High Profile. If Google is willing to revise the spec, this can probably be improved.

VP8, as an encoder, is somewhere between Xvid and Microsoft’s VC-1 in terms of visual quality. This can definitely be improved a lot, but not via conventional means.

VP8, as a decoder, decodes even slower than ffmpeg’s H.264. This probably can’t be improved that much.

With regard to patents, VP8 copies way too much from H.264 for anyone sane to be comfortable with it, no matter whose word is behind the claim of being patent-free.

VP8 is definitely better compression-wise than Theora and Dirac, so if its claim to being patent-free does stand up, it’s an upgrade with regard to patent-free video formats.

VP8 is not ready for prime-time; the spec is a pile of copy-pasted C code and the encoder’s interface is is lacking in features and buggy. They aren’t even ready to finalize the bitstream format, let alone switch the world over to VP8.

Google made the right decision to pick Matroska and Vorbis for its HTML5 video proposal.

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Keylime

Keylime

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ChromeWebStore...eh?

Sounds like Steam/App Store for web apps vs. native apps. Smart.
 
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ThatObviousUser

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Chrome Web Store for web apps! :D This is really gonna let HTML5 take off. Although, they should try and divorce it from Chrome if they can, since web apps are cross-browser.
 
Keylime

Keylime

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Hmm...buying of web applications.

Sounds like Google is making strides to remove the Android Market and shift over to ChromeWebStore?
 
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