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[winjer]

Brave has the sort of energy where if you question it, some spotty teenager with no life experience writes a book's worth of angry ranting about why you are an idiot for not believing in the Brave vision for the future of web browsing.

I admit I also dislike their push of web3 crap.
But that can be turned off.
I was asking for more specific reasons.

 

[Wildebeest]

I admit I also dislike their push of web3 crap.
But that can be turned off.
I was asking for more specific reasons.

Mostly it is because their leadership and vision doesn't seem reliable, and they have too much interest in ad tech.

 

[CuckooBananaNuts]

Use the desktop app version of AdGuard ad blocker and you can fully block ads, regardless of the browser, as it works outside the browser itself.

Other alternatives are Brave with the built-in ad blocking (and you can add custom lists to the filter) and Firefox (which still allows the normal uBlock Origin). Vivaldi is also decent with built-in ad block and custom filter lists like Brave.

People complaining about Brave in here. Who cares? You can turn all that nonsense off. Firefox has to be customized to be better as well. I don't see the difference.

Will this fuck up brave browser? Guess I'm moving to Mozilla or opera now.

No. You can just use the built-in ad blocking, which is completely outside of anything Google ever does with Chrome.

 

[nightmare-slain]

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[CuckooBananaNuts]

I’ve been on Firefox again for about 4 years now. I used it before in 2005-2008.

I didn’t mind Chrome and Edge is a good browser too but no way I’m not using an adblocker. uBlock is essential for me.

I have my DNS set to one that apparently blocks ads/trackers but not sure how effective it is. I see many people recommend pihole but not sure if I could set it up.

On Mac/iPhone I use Safari but adblocking on those is not as good. I use Wipr which does a great job but not as good as uBlock.

1Blocker or AdGuard for Safari are very good (both cost money). Wipr stinks. Brave browser has the best ad blocking on iOS and it even lets you listen to YouTube audio in the background without needing a YouTube subscription. I’d highly recommend it.

 

[winjer]

 

[Spyxos]

So which browser to use?

 

[winjer]

So which browser to use?

Firefox. It uses a different form of management of plugins.

 

[Laptop1991]

In the video, he says there's a way round it already lol, i won't go back to using Google though.

 

[thief183]

In the video, he says there's a way round it already lol, i won't go back to using Google though.

Same, google is dead to me, but I understand that most of the ppl are not going to bother with all the "strange apps" I use instead.

 

[Laptop1991]

Same, google is dead to me, but I understand that most of the ppl are not going to bother with all the "strange apps" I use instead.

Yeah, but one of the reason's i switched to Brave was because Google became almost unusable, i don't know how people put up with it and Youtube videos can show you easily how to add apps, of course they can't see them anymore using Google lol.

 

[Miles708]

So which browser to use?

No reason to not use Firefox, even on mobile (at least on Android)

 

[Drake]

Been using firefox for the last 20 years and never moved off it. I used Chrome for work, but never for personal use. Hopefully this will cause more people to use firefox.

 

[Pejo]

It's been a while since I looked this up, but Brave browser supposedly started their own fork of Chrome and will be handling development and security updates internally so that they can keep Manifest v2 compatibility.

I've been using it for a few years now and it's a fantastic Chromium browser, with its own search (improving every day, even has AI support) and built in adblock/script block that you can quickly toggle on/off and customize to your needs.

 

[Z O N E]

In the video, he says there's a way round it already lol, i won't go back to using Google though.

There is, but only till June 2025. I believe Brave already enables the workaround by default, but for other Chromium browsers you will have to manually enable it. Basically let's you use uBlock Origin till June 2025.

Once June 2025 arrives, even the workaround will not work anymore and it'll truly be the end.

So which browser to use?

Firefox if you truly want the full protection of uBlock Origin. You could try Brave (even though it's still Chromium) with its built in adblocker, but really, it's much easier just to migrate to Firefox now instead of waiting till last minute.

I do use Microsoft Edge if something important is needed that won't work in Firefox, but I haven't needed it yet.

It's been a while since I looked this up, but Brave browser supposedly started their own fork of Chrome and will be handling development and security updates internally so that they can keep Manifest v2 compatibility.

I've been using it for a few years now and it's a fantastic Chromium browser, with its own search (improving every day, even has AI support) and built in adblock/script block that you can quickly toggle on/off and customize to your needs.

In June 2025, even Brave will not be able to use Manifest V2 extensions. The only reason why it works is because there is currently a workaround to keep Manifest V2 extensions till June 2025, but once June 2025 arrives, the workaround won't work anymore and that'll truly be the end.

 

[Pejo]

In June 2025, even Brave will not be able to use Manifest V2 extensions. The only reason why it works is because there is currently a workaround to keep Manifest V2 extensions till June 2025, but once June 2025 arrives, the workaround won't work anymore and that'll truly be the end.

So I couldn't find the old post that I read about them custom developing their own stuff, but here's a post that says:

While Brave will continue to offer limited support for MV2 extensions, the real solution is to use Brave’s industry-leading, native features. All are available by simply downloading the Brave browser.

What Manifest V3 means for Brave Shields and the use of extensions in the Brave browser | Brave

Brave is committed to maintaining Manifest V2 support, allowing users to keep their favorite extensions functioning beyond the industry-wide deprecation.

brave.com

So to me, this sounds like they will continue to develop and support their own flavor of Chromium with native adblocks, even past when Manifest v2 is dropped completely. You won't be able to load ublock origin, but you don't need to since Brave has the features built in to the core of the software.

I don't currently use any other adblocker extensions than the base Brave, and it's been rock solid. Never saw an ad on youtube, the threatening message, never had the time dilation problems, etc.

 

[Laptop1991]

There is, but only till June 2025. I believe Brave already enables the workaround by default, but for other Chromium browsers you will have to manually enable it. Basically let's you use uBlock Origin till June 2025.

Once June 2025 arrives, even the workaround will not work anymore and it'll truly be the end.



Firefox if you truly want the full protection of uBlock Origin. You could try Brave (even though it's still Chromium) with its built in adblocker, but really, it's much easier just to migrate to Firefox now instead of waiting till last minute.

I do use Microsoft Edge if something important is needed that won't work in Firefox, but I haven't needed it yet.



In June 2025, even Brave will not be able to use Manifest V2 extensions. The only reason why it works is because there is currently a workaround to keep Manifest V2 extensions till June 2025, but once June 2025 arrives, the workaround won't work anymore and that'll truly be the end.

If Brave can't get around it and it's the end like you say, and the developer's of Brave must know this anyway, i will just move to a different browser, i won't use Google again.

 

[AJUMP23]

This thread is breaking my heart.

 

[Trogdor1123]

It’s a tough call. I’ve been using edge as I like copilot but I assume that is going to be impacted too?

Is opera any good or do I really need Firefox again?

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

There is, but only till June 2025. I believe Brave already enables the workaround by default, but for other Chromium browsers you will have to manually enable it. Basically let's you use uBlock Origin till June 2025.

Once June 2025 arrives, even the workaround will not work anymore and it'll truly be the end.

And this is why letting google own the net from the consumer side via the blink/chromium package has been a disaster. Those other browsers running on it that have marketed on privacy and control of the experience cannot in reality have control over the project and when google dropped the hammer, they've got no choice but to submit.

Browsers like brave or opera now have to either build their own browser engine (ain't no money for that), rebuild their browsers to run on gecko or webkit (it's going to be a costly procedure) or continue shackled to their true master, google, and be subservient to their master's whims.

It's going to be an interesting process for the rightoids - a lot of them run brave to "deny" google and because mozilla is "woke". Webkit is an apple project, so you're either go woke or get googled.

 

[sankt-Antonio]

Have been on Firefox for years now. Its all good. Its a fucking browser.

 

[Z O N E]

So I couldn't find the old post that I read about them custom developing their own stuff, but here's a post that says:

What Manifest V3 means for Brave Shields and the use of extensions in the Brave browser | Brave

Brave is committed to maintaining Manifest V2 support, allowing users to keep their favorite extensions functioning beyond the industry-wide deprecation.

brave.com

So to me, this sounds like they will continue to develop and support their own flavor of Chromium with native adblocks, even past when Manifest v2 is dropped completely. You won't be able to load ublock origin, but you don't need to since Brave has the features built in to the core of the software.

I don't currently use any other adblocker extensions than the base Brave, and it's been rock solid. Never saw an ad on youtube, the threatening message, never had the time dilation problems, etc.

Almost all browsers have some sort of native adblocking, but the problem is they won't be as strong as uBlock Origin. The whole point of MV3 is because Google is trying to push adblockers power away (most specifically uBlock Origin). They won't admit it, but it's pretty obvious as Google is first and foremost an ad company, so what better way to get ads back to users by weakening adblockers.

Braves native adblocker will not be as powerful as uBlock Origin. Yes, it will work here and there, but all Brave has to tackle ads is the filter lists that are supplied. Once Google starts patching all the loopholes in Youtube for example, Brave won't be able to do what uBlock Origin did and tackle it.

If Brave can't get around it and it's the end like you say, and the developer's of Brave must know this anyway, i will just move to a different browser, i won't use Google again.

Of course they do, but they'll just peddle their Brave adblocker like it's this unstoppable force. MV3 is being implemented to weaken adblockers so it won't be long before Brave can't fight it.

And this is why letting google own the net from the consumer side via the blink/chromium package has been a disaster. Those other browsers running on it that have marketed on privacy and control of the experience cannot in reality have control over the project and when google dropped the hammer, they've got no choice but to submit.

Browsers like brave or opera now have to either build their own browser engine (ain't no money for that), rebuild their browsers to run on gecko or webkit (it's going to be a costly procedure) or continue shackled to their true master, google, and be subservient to their master's whims.

It's going to be an interesting process for the rightoids - a lot of them run brave to "deny" google and because mozilla is "woke". Webkit is an apple project, so you're either go woke or get googled.

The good news (I hope) is that DOJ is filing an Anti-trust suit against Google and there's a possibility of Chrome being split off from Google. There's also word that they might want to split off Android too, so we'll see how it all unfolds. Whether this changes the whole MV2/MV3 situation is unknown but probably not likely.

Best thing is just to move to Firefox and then keep a Chromium browser if you ever run into any issues with certain sites or for work.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Almost all browsers have some sort of native adblocking, but the problem is they won't be as strong as uBlock Origin. The whole point of MV3 is because Google is trying to push adblockers power away (most specifically uBlock Origin). They won't admit it, but it's pretty obvious as Google is first and foremost an ad company, so what better way to get ads back to users by weakening adblockers.

Braves native adblocker will not be as powerful as uBlock Origin. Yes, it will work here and there, but all Brave has to tackle ads is the filter lists that are supplied. Once Google starts patching all the loopholes in Youtube for example, Brave won't be able to do what uBlock Origin did and tackle it.



Of course they do, but they'll just peddle their Brave adblocker like it's this unstoppable force. MV3 is being implemented to weaken adblockers so it won't be long before Brave can't fight it.



The good news (I hope) is that DOJ is filing an Anti-trust suit against Google and there's a possibility of Chrome being split off from Google. There's also word that they might want to split off Android too, so we'll see how it all unfolds. Whether this changes the whole MV2/MV3 situation is unknown but probably not likely.

Best thing is just to move to Firefox and then keep a Chromium browser if you ever run into any issues with certain sites or for work.

Yep, just run Firefox!

 

[ResilientBanana]

I use Brave.

 

[Kenpachii]

Running firefox for a year now, no regrets.

 

[Pagusas]

I use Brave.

Won't work soon.

 

[ResilientBanana]

Won't work soon.

why not?

 

[winjer]

why not?

Brave uses Chromium.

 

[ResilientBanana]

Brave uses Chromium.

So does Edge. Seems like a google thing.

What Manifest V3 means for Brave Shields and the use of extensions in the Brave browser | Brave

Brave is committed to maintaining Manifest V2 support, allowing users to keep their favorite extensions functioning beyond the industry-wide deprecation.

brave.com

Brave Shields block ads and trackers by default, and they’re built natively in the Brave browser—no extensions required. Since Shields are patched directly onto the open-source Chromium codebase, they don’t rely on MV2 or MV3.

Thanks to this independence, Google’s forced removal of MV2 will not weaken Brave Shields. The filter lists (such as EasyList and EasyPrivacy) we rely on to protect users from invasive ads and trackers are open for community contribution, and we expect the privacy community at large to continue maintaining these lists. Brave’s privacy research and engineering teams will do so as well.

No matter what happens with the deprecation of MV2 and the shift to MV3, Shields will continue to offer better, more stable protection than extensions.

Will MV2 extensions still work in Brave?​

Yes, for now. We recognize the importance of supporting existing Manifest V2 extensions. We have force-enabled Manifest V2 support in the Brave browser, ensuring that you can continue to use your favorite extensions without interruption. In June 2025, Google plans to remove all remaining Manifest V2 items from the Chrome Web Store. While Brave has no extension store, we have a robust process for customizing (or “patching”) atop the open-source Chromium engine. This will allow us to offer limited MV2 support even after it’s fully removed from the upstream Chromium codebase.

Which MV2 extensions will work in Brave?​

As of now, the MV2 extensions we plan to explicitly support are AdGuard AdBlocker, NoScript, uBlock Origin, and uMatrix. This feature will be best-effort: we might have to modify support based on either Google’s plans or what extension authors ultimately decide to do. If extensions become stale or obsolete, we may remove support for them rather than offer our users an out-of-date (potentially even unsafe) experience.

We’re gradually rolling out a new page in Settings that lists these extensions. Once you have the update, you will see it in brave://settings/extensions.

Seems like Brave will be fine while the extension creators update to Manifest V3.

 

[winjer]

So does Edge. Seems like a google thing.

What Manifest V3 means for Brave Shields and the use of extensions in the Brave browser | Brave

Brave is committed to maintaining Manifest V2 support, allowing users to keep their favorite extensions functioning beyond the industry-wide deprecation.

brave.com

Only until next year.
Then manifest V2 will go away, and with it the more advanced extensions for Chromium browsers.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

So does Edge. Seems like a google thing.

What Manifest V3 means for Brave Shields and the use of extensions in the Brave browser | Brave

Brave is committed to maintaining Manifest V2 support, allowing users to keep their favorite extensions functioning beyond the industry-wide deprecation.

brave.com

Seems like Brave will be fine while the extension creators update to Manifest V3.

Manifest V3 is more restrictive. Extensions lose functionality. It's not simply a matter of "updating" to V3.

 

[ResilientBanana]

Manifest V3 is more restrictive. Extensions lose functionality. It's not simply a matter of "updating" to V3.

Well this is fucking lame. Guess I'm heading back to firefox.

 

[Pagusas]

So does Edge. Seems like a google thing.

What Manifest V3 means for Brave Shields and the use of extensions in the Brave browser | Brave

Brave is committed to maintaining Manifest V2 support, allowing users to keep their favorite extensions functioning beyond the industry-wide deprecation.

brave.com

Seems like Brave will be fine while the extension creators update to Manifest V3.

Thats why we said soon, next year they will be forced to switch to V3.

 

[Syphon Filter]

Won't work soon.

oh snap didnt know brave will also not have it working

 

[Superkewl]

So which browser to use?

I am still using Ublock Origin in Edge, but since it is a chromium browser, it days may be numbered

 

[Pejo]

oh snap didnt know brave will also not have it working

I'm still not 100% convinced people understand the difference between v3's relationship to extensions (uBlock in this case) and the native blocking features of Brave browser.

I found some more Q&A from the Brave dev team, and they had this to say:

Question #21 Do we see Manifest V3 having an impact on Shields?

Answer Not at all. This Manifest V3 been delayed for a couple years. They first announced it in 2019 and our team put together a rewrite of our adblocking engine with Rust and then put it into the core for the browser for the network request. So we’re not coming in on the same API that’s affected by Manifest V3. Brendan has also talked about possibly providing support for other adblocking extensions too, but that will be disclosed at a later date. When this rolls out, most likely you’ll see a softer experience on blockers that aren’t on Brave, but Brave will still have the blocking you expect.

Keep manifest V2 compatibility!

Goolag is about to disable support for manifest V2, so I would like Brave to keep this so that the browser will still be able to run extensions that absolutely require it.

community.brave.com

 

[Goalus]

I am still using Ublock Origin in Edge, but since it is a chromium browser, it days may be numbered

I use Firefox for YouTube and Edge for everything else.

 

[winjer]

And it just keeps getting worse.

YouTube is now hiding the skip button on mobile too

YouTube now hides the Skip button for ads until you can use it

www.androidpolice.com

 

[Resenge]

And it just keeps getting worse.

YouTube is now hiding the skip button on mobile too

YouTube now hides the Skip button for ads until you can use it

www.androidpolice.com

YouTube says it is ‘not hiding the skip button’ on ads

But the company is “reducing elements on the ads player.”

www.theverge.com

 

[winjer]

YouTube says it is ‘not hiding the skip button’ on ads

But the company is “reducing elements on the ads player.”

www.theverge.com

Read Google's answer and you will find out they are indeed hiding it. They just use "pretty words" to pretend they aren't.
Not only there are now unzippable ads, but the wait the skip function works is now different, to make users watch the whole ad.

"YouTube is not hiding the skip button. On skippable ads, the button appears after 5 seconds into playback, as always. To allow users to focus on the video creative and make the player more seamless with YouTube content, we are reducing elements on the ads player. In doing so, viewers can engage more deeply with the ad through a cleaner experience."
"Viewers on the mobile and desktop experience may see the countdown timer now appear as a progress bar at the bottom of the screen. YouTube has been rolling out yearly updates that offer a more modern and immersive viewing experience while also improving how users watch videos. In alignment with these updates, across the platform, the ads experience is also evolving."

 

[Resenge]

Read Google's answer and you will find out they are indeed hiding it. They just use "pretty words" to pretend they aren't.
Not only there are now unzippable ads, but the wait the skip function works is now different, to make users watch the whole ad.

YouTube is not hiding the skip button. On skippable ads, the button appears after 5 seconds into playback, as always.

It's still there, just shows at the point you can skip instead of counting down apparently.

Yes the changes are to drive engagment on the Ad, but to say it's hiding the skip button is disingenuous, the skip button is still there and you can still skip Ads.

Not that I care that much tbh, I will block Ads on mobile Youtube as long as I can by using Revanced or Newpipe. I imagine it's a battle Google will win in the end though and then I will watch less Youtube.

 

[winjer]

It's still there, just shows at the point you can skip instead of counting down apparently.

Yes the changes are to drive engagment on the Ad, but to say it's hiding the skip button is disingenuous, the skip button is still there and you can still skip Ads.

Not that I care that much tbh, I will block Ads on mobile Youtube as long as I can by using Revanced or Newpipe. I imagine it's a battle Google will win in the end though and then I will watch less Youtube.

But they are hiding the button, during the start of the ad, like you said.
And this is to drive engagement, meaning to make people watch the whole ad.
They know that if they hide the button, people will think it's unescapable and not pay attention to it when it shows up.

 

[Bojji]

Well this is fucking lame. Guess I'm heading back to firefox.

Yep, after brave stops working correctly I'm returning to the fox (heaven't used it since ~2013 probably).

 

[ResilientBanana]

Yep, after brave stops working correctly I'm returning to the fox (heaven't used it since ~2013 probably).

Took me 30 seconds to switch, importing all my bookmarks and passwords,. and quite frankly, the way Firefox handles saved credentials is so much more convenient. Seems to be faster also. I also found out how to use it on iOS and truly block ads which is nice.

 

[Z O N E]

Took me 30 seconds to switch, importing all my bookmarks and passwords,. and quite frankly, the way Firefox handles saved credentials is so much more convenient. Seems to be faster also. I also found out how to use it on iOS and truly block ads which is nice.

Just a little bit of security advice, you should definitely think of switching your saved passwords to Bitwarden, 1Password or if you're on Mac, Apples Passwords.

Keeping your saved passwords on your browser, no matter which one, is always a bit questionable.

 

[ResilientBanana]

Just a little bit of security advice, you should definitely think of switching your saved passwords to Bitwarden, 1Password or if you're on Mac, Apples Passwords.

Keeping your saved passwords on your browser, no matter which one, is always a bit questionable.

dammit.

 

[Pagusas]

dammit.

yep, just switch to Bitwarden, you'll thank us later. Plus it will keep you browser and phone agnostic, as bitwarden works on all phones (like I'm a saffari users on the iPhone, and a Chrome user on PC, but Bitwarden makes both work togehter perfectly for passwords)

 

[Garibaldi]

Pihole on my RaspberryPi which everything on the LAN uses for DNS at the router. That coupled with Brave have been my mainstays for ages now. Fuck having ads ruin everything I do.

 

[Draugoth]

 

[-BLITZ-]

Using Firefox for more than 10 years now. Happy guy.