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[Joe]

This is bystander effect from a US Senator

 

[Dude Abides]

Oh fuck off you hand-wringing spineless weak piece of shit.

 

[aeolist]

there's very little i hate more than calls for national unity. we've never been united on any major issue and politics isn't about building near-universal consensus. someone is going to win and someone is going to lose, what we need is to make sure the right side wins.

people only want everyone to come together when their side is in control and they want to delegitimize opposition as being agents of discord.

 

[GetLucky]

It bothers me that people can see, with their own eyes, violence from the right and somehow conclude 'there's gonna be retaliation from the left, they're the bad guys'

The people on the right are already doing what you're sooooo afraid the left will do. How about we focus on real events instead of weird made up fantasies?

 

[KingV]

What a frustrating post. He so frequently skirts right up to saying the right thing, then freezes up and backs away like he got caught under a spotlight.

Nobody is advocating for the removal of Washington and Jefferson statues. If taking down the Confederate statues makes you uneasy about erasing your history, then move them into a museum. And if you're so fucking concerned about civics education in this country, maybe stop trying to gut public schools so often.

The funny thing is he is from Nebraska. It's not even particularly relevant to the state, which wasn't even a state during the civil war.

 

[gcubed]

An argument about Washington and Jefferson statues, on its face, is hard to take it as anything more then intellectually bankrupt Trump cock sucking


For that reason alone when that taking point comes up, the person asking isn't looking for an answer, they are looking to be morons.

 

[trembli0s]

The problem with "going back to the American ideal" is that it was never on offer for parts of America. It was never on offer for blacks or hispanics or gays or women that didn't want to get it solely as someone's wife. The U.S. succeeded well in the melting pot, until the colors of the pot stopped being white. We successfully blended a dozen or more white ethnicities into a single one, but we left out everyone else, at first legally, and now culturally.

That's the problem with "Hey, let's all just think of ourselves as Americans and forget identity politics." Without identity politics, white men continue to exist under one standard and everyone else another. So it's not surprising that the call to end identity politics comes over and over again, from white men, particularly white conservatives.

I'm fine with continuing the great American melting pot, but first we have to turn up the heat, because lots of it has never been allowed to melt. Once we're all on the same footing then maybe it'll be time to set aside sub-coalitions and all belong to a single big coalition of equals.

To be fair to the US it's not like humans generally have been great at the whole melting pot ideal.

Even Europe has issues with integration if you look at the banlieus, French prisons, Molenbeek, Malmo, Barcelona this week, etc. That's not even counting the blatant racism you see in East Asia in places like Japan and China.

That said, the US must do better and I agree with what you said 100%.

 

[Man God]

That is a lot of crazy to unpack, especially the alt Right joining up with jihadist

They already joined up with neo nazis and neo commies to make neo commie nazis, why not add in the other group you can call unequivocally evil in movies?

 

[pigeon]

When considering Ben Sasse's both-sidesism and false equivalencies on the Civil War, remember that he's a professor of history. It's not like he doesn't know better.