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[sonicmj1]

A CNN story is as official as you can get? We will know very soon if this story is true or not. And if it is, I will not defend that position. I am simply stating that I think the story is bull shit. The fact that the party including Romney is attacking those statements by dimb ass senator displays to me that this is not an issue that the party wants to run on.

They used nearly identical wording in their 2008 platform. This has been a part of their agenda for a long time (though they haven't pushed for it very hard), so it's not exactly a stretch to say it'll be included in their most recent platform.

Faithful to the first guarantee of the Declaration of Independence, we assert the inherent dignity and sanctity of all human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution, and we endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment's protections apply to unborn children... At its core, abortion is a fundamental assault on the sanctity of innocent human life. Women deserve better than abortion. Every effort should be made to work with women considering abortion to enable and empower them to choose life.

But saying that abortion should never be allowed in any case is different from saying that women who are raped "legitimately" can't get pregnant, which is wrong and offensive for a number of different reasons even before you bring abortion into the picture.

 

[Psychotext]

Reading through this thread I'm wondering if Republican voters even really know who they're voting for / what they really stand for.

 

[gutter_trash]

looks like they really want to lose 2012 on purpose

 

[Measley]

Reading through this thread I'm wondering if Republican voters even really know who they're voting for / what they really stand for.

Try debating a friend of family member who is a Republican. They don't even try to acknowledge that this stuff is part of the Republican platform. Most of them are just there to be part of the team, or to worship Reagan.

 

[Captain Tuttle]

looks like they really want to lose 2012 on purpose

Putting Ryan out there for 2016. Romney a sacrificial lamb?

 

[CharlieDigital]

The fact that the party including Romney is attacking those statements by dimb ass senator displays to me that this is not an issue that the party wants to run on.

That is some straight up denial right there. Whether it is the "official" party platform or not, it's pretty clear that it has been one of the core issues that Republicans have been running on for decades now.

 

[jaxword]

The Bushes want to prep their next son for 2016.

 

[SmokyDave]

Reading through this thread I'm wondering if Republican voters even really know who they're voting for / what they really stand for.

Isn't your political alignment something you're born with in the US?

Sure seems like that some times.

 

[Kusagari]

The Bushes want to prep their next son for 2016.

Jeb's just biding his time. By 2016 the hatred for Dubya should have died down enough.

 

[pigeon]

Even among those who believe the Bible is the direct word of God, a majority of people support abortions in the case of rape.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/g...n=Feed:+GeneExpressionBlog+(Gene+Expression)

 

[Dram]

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012/08/21/in-exclusive-interview-paul-ryan-distances-self-from-akin/

In Congressman Paul Ryan’s first interview in Pennsylvania, Mitt Romney’s vice presidential pick reacted strongly to Congressman Todd Akin’s comment than women who are raped rarely get pregnant.

Ryan, like Romney, distanced himself from Akin’s remarks, but in Congress, he joined Akin in opposing abortions even when a woman has been raped.

Delano: “Should abortions to be available to women who are raped?”

Ryan: “Well, look, I’m proud of my pro-life record. And I stand by my pro-life record in Congress. It’s something I’m proud of. But Mitt Romney is the top of the ticket and Mitt Romney will be president and he will set the policy of the Romney administration.”

Despite Ryan’s views, Romney says he will allow exceptions for rape and incest. Ryan also seemed to back away from earlier views on types of rape.

Delano: “You sponsored legislation that has the language ‘forcible rape.’ What is forcible rape as opposed…”

Ryan: “Rape is rape. Rape is rape, period. End of story.”

Delano: “So that forcible rape language meant nothing to you at the time?”

Ryan: “Rape is rape and there’s no splitting hairs over rape.”

As for the president’s claim that Romney-Ryan will restrict birth control, Ryan calls that ridiculous.

“Nobody is proposing to deny birth control to anybody,” says Ryan.

Ryan says women won’t fall for these side issues.

“And I don’t think they’re going to take the bait of all these distractions that the President is trying to throw at them.”

 

[xavi42]

Romney has already come out in support for abortion in case of rape/incest. Not a story, move along folks.

 

[CharlieDigital]

Romney has already come out in support for abortion in case of rape/incest. Not a story, move along folks.

The same guy that came up with the individual mandate before denouncing the individual mandate? It's always a story with Romney.

 

[B-Dubs]

Romney has already come out in support for abortion in case of rape/incest. Not a story, move along folks.

He'll reverse it in a week.

 

[pigeon]

Romney has already come out in support for abortion in case of rape/incest. Not a story, move along folks.

I dunno, the fact that the GOP nominee for President doesn't agree with his party's avowed platform seems like kind of a story to me.

 

[Kusagari]

I think Romney's stuck supporting it now.

There's no way he can flipflop without looking like an even bigger joke. The Akin controversy has caused everyone to hear his words on it.

 

[CharlieDigital]

I think Romney's stuck supporting it now.

There's no way he can flipflop without looking like an even bigger joke. The Akin controversy has caused everyone to hear his words on it.

You know he was once pro-choice, right?

 

[Kusagari]

You know he was once pro-choice, right?

I know full well how much he flip-flops. But his record back then is quite different from him flip-flopping from a statement he just made amidst a major controversy.

He's putting both himself and Ryan out there constantly saying this right now.

 

[CharlieDigital]

I for one do not put it past him to take it to the next level. Why the hell not when you've already flip flopped to this degree and your party has gone full retard mode.

 

[Cheebo]

Romney has already come out in support for abortion in case of rape/incest. Not a story, move along folks.

And congressional republicans are dead set against allowing abortion for rape/incest. If a bill crosses his desk outlawing abortion in all cases, including rape/incest you really think Romney would go against congressional republicans and veto it? Come on, Romeny is too much of a hack to stand up to his party on that.

This is a paramount reason why for the sake of this nation Republicans can't be allowed to take control of the senate and the white house.

 

[Kusagari]

And congressional republicans are dead set against allowing abortion for rape/incest. If a bill crosses his desk outlawing abortion in all cases, including rape/incest you really think Romney would go against congressional republicans and veto it? Come on, Romeny is too much of a hack to stand up to his party on that.

This is a paramount reason why for the sake of this nation Republicans can't be allowed to take control of the senate and the white house.

Oh. I should clarify. If he becomes president and a bill like that crosses his desk, then I fully expect him to pass it.

I just don't see him flip-flopping on this again prior to election day.

 

[Dude Abides]

Romney has already come out in support for abortion in case of rape/incest. Not a story, move along folks.

Because if anyone is known for his willingness to stick to his principles in the face of opposition from his party, it's Mitt Romney.

 

[Mike M]

A CNN story is as official as you can get? We will know very soon if this story is true or not. And if it is, I will not defend that position. I am simply stating that I think the story is bull shit. The fact that the party including Romney is attacking those statements by dimb ass senator displays to me that this is not an issue that the party wants to run on.

I'm sorry, but just so I'm clear, are you proposing CNN just made it up? These aren't secret proceedings.

 

[CharlieDigital]

I'm sorry, but just so I'm clear, are you proposing CNN just made it up? These aren't secret proceedings.

Anything to maintain the facade.

I have seen it reported multiple times by many sources that the GOP platform includes abortion outlawed for rape/incest. I have no idea why he is denying that CNN story.

Mental gymnastics, man. Olympic gold-medal level caliber.

 

[Cheebo]

I have seen it reported multiple times by many sources that the GOP platform includes abortion outlawed for rape/incest. I have no idea why he is denying that CNN story.

 

[Jimothy]

This is essentially the GOP right now:

Akin touched on something that the majority of the party believes and legislates. He essentially just blew their cover, so they're making him a sacrificial goat to appear sane.

 

[CharlieDigital]

Akin touched on something that the majority of the party believes and legislates. He essentially just blew their cover, so they're making him a sacrificial goat to appear sane.

Joe Klein put it pretty well:

In the end, Todd Akin is not an outlier. He is a symptom of the disease.​

 

[Link Man]

I've got a question:

So, I'm thinking of writing a sci-fi horror story, in which aliens impregnate human women and then force the women to carry and deliver their offspring. Now, my question is this: could the GOP accuse me of plagiarism, or would it be protected as parody?

 

[~Devil Trigger~]

Romney has already come out in support for abortion in case of rape/incest. Not a story, move along folks.

There's still time for backflips

 

[RDreamer]

There's still time for backflips

He already did some of those in order to get to that position. I could see him doing some more though.

 

[Brian Griffin]

Akin touched on something that the majority of the party believes and legislates. He essentially just blew their cover, so they're making him a sacrificial goat to appear sane.

I don't know if there ever was any cover to be blown, they've been openly pushing really extreme anti-women policy for a while now. Akin just kinda brought their shitty core ideals to the front and center of the national discussion. The GOP fully relies on people not really thinking about what the are pushing so this is great for the country I think.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Romney has already come out in support for abortion in case of rape/incest. Not a story, move along folks.

The guy says and does anything that he feels is politically expedient, even if it means contradicting things he has said and done in the past. He is the very definition of a slimy politician.

 

[Hitokage]

The guy says and does anything that he feels is politically expedient, even if it means contradicting things he has said and done in the past. He is the very definition of a slimy politician.

Eh, I don't think it's such a bad thing for somebody to change their mind or be responsive to constituents. What really gets me is that Romney will change position then deny the previous position was ever held even when it's trivial to prove otherwise.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Eh, I don't think it's such a bad thing for somebody to change their mind or be responsive to constituents. What really gets me is that Romney will change position then deny the previous position was ever held even when it's trivial to prove otherwise.

I don't mind it either, if it's legitamate, but he seems to switch at the drop of a hat, and from one week to the next. It's obvious he hasn't actually given the position some consideration, and is only changing his stance because he thinks it would poll better. He is the type of politician that would say something to one group of people, turn around and say the complete opposite to another group. He only ever tries to say what he thinks the audience wants to hear. We have no idea where this guy actually stands on most of these issues.

 

[Hitokage]

Oh yeah, that's the other aspect, the position to counter-position then back again all in the same week.

 

[Zzoram]

The guy says and does anything that he feels is politically expedient, even if it means contradicting things he has said and done in the past. He is the very definition of a slimy politician.

I believe there is a video of him flip flopping on an idea with 2 sentences of the same interview.

 

[gutter_trash]

Putting Ryan out there for 2016. Romney a sacrificial lamb?

Jeb / Christie '16

 

[smokeandmirrors]

I'd eat my shoe if we got another Bush as a President.

 

[jaxword]

I'd eat my shoe is we got another Bush as a President.

Quoting this for 2016/2020.

 

[C4Lukins]

I'm sorry, but just so I'm clear, are you proposing CNN just made it up? These aren't secret proceedings.

No I think they have a bad source, and are super excited to get it out there. The GOP is begging for this idiot to drop out. What more proof do you need? They are going to slam this guy and then run an election on his ignorant beliefs? "You are an idiot and do not represent the views of the republican party, drop out now, oh yeah and we agree with everything you said and we will try and win the election on it."

 

[sonicmj1]

No I think they have a bad source, and are super excited to get it out there. The GOP is begging for this idiot to drop out. What more proof do you need? They are going to slam this guy and then run an election on his ignorant beliefs? "You are an idiot and do not represent the views of the republican party, drop out now, oh yeah and we agree with everything you said and we will try and win the election on it."

Akin's statements have nothing to do with a constitutional amendment that extends human rights to fetuses.

He stated a belief that women who are "legitimately" (or as he later corrected, "forcibly") raped almost never get pregnant because they can somehow shut down their wombs when such an event occurs. Which flies entirely in defiance to the facts, and leads to the logical conclusion that any woman who got pregnant from rape almost certainly consented on some level. It also implies that there's an important distinction between forcible rape and something like date rape or statutory rape.

The Republican Party as a whole does not support the above views, but their platform believes that abortion should never be allowed in any case. There's no contradiction between those two things.

 

[Veezy]

No I think they have a bad source, and are super excited to get it out there. The GOP is begging for this idiot to drop out. What more proof do you need? They are going to slam this guy and then run an election on his ignorant beliefs? "You are an idiot and do not represent the views of the republican party, drop out now, oh yeah and we agree with everything you said and we will try and win the election on it."

Okay, you gonna respond to the previous link that was posted? What about this one:

With no floor debate, the panel adopted language contained in the 2004 and 2008 Republican platforms that said an “unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life that cannot be infringed.”


The official GOP stance on abortion is never ever for any reason.

Ever.

Saying "we don't believe that the body has a way to 'avoid getting pregnant 'cause dat pussy knows when shit be legit or not and can just shut down the baby factory'" is different than saying "we are okay with abortion due to rape."\
Sorry, the life of the mother, her being raped, a father sexually molesting his daughter and getting her pregnant, the child already being dead, whatever the reason are not a good reason to terminate the pregnancy. As soon as sperm meets egg, it has the exact same rights to everything as you and I, according to the official stance of the GOP. Which is a crazy and insane position.

 

[C4Lukins]

Okay, you gonna respond to the previous link that was posted? What about this one:

With no floor debate, the panel adopted language contained in the 2004 and 2008 Republican platforms that said an “unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life that cannot be infringed.”


The official GOP stance on abortion is never ever for any reason.

Ever.

Saying "we don't believe that the body has a way to 'avoid getting pregnant 'cause dat pussy knows when shit be legit or not and can just shut down the baby factory'" is different than saying "we are okay with abortion due to rape."\
Sorry, the life of the mother, her being raped, a father sexually molesting his daughter and getting her pregnant, the child already being dead, whatever the reason are not a good reason to terminate the pregnancy. As soon as sperm meets egg, it has the exact same rights to everything as you and I, according to the official stance of the GOP. Which is a crazy and insane position.

Can you quote the link fully and give me a source? My computer for some reason cannot open it.

Edit: Nevermind I got it. Give me a chance to read it.

Shit I just did a huge post that somehow did not get posted.

Just read the link people. It is about a think tank that recommends the Republican party does certain things. It is in no way policy.

 

[Lamel]

I'd eat my shoe is we got another Bush as a President.

Return of the Jebi.

 

[giga]

Can you quote the link fully and give me a source? My computer for some reason cannot open it.

Edit: Nevermind I got it. Give me a chance to read it.

Shit I just did a huge post that somehow did not get posted.

Just read the link people. It is about a think tank that recommends the Republican party does certain things. It is in no way policy.

The Republican National Committee is not just some think tank. It's the head of the GOP. The RNC develops the official platform for the party and that is their official stance on abortion.

It's the same stance that Republicans adopted in 2004 and 2008 as well.
2008: http://gop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/2008platform.pdf
2004: http://www.ontheissues.org/2004_GOP_Platform.htm

 

[Axiology]

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012/08/21/in-exclusive-interview-paul-ryan-distances-self-from-akin/

 

[Steelrain]

What is the source of this gif...

 

[marrec]

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012/08/21/in-exclusive-interview-paul-ryan-distances-self-from-akin/

Ryan: “Rape is rape. Rape is rape, period. End of story.”

Delano: “So that forcible rape language meant nothing to you at the time?”

Ryan: “Rape is rape and there’s no splitting hairs over rape.”

So NOW Rape is Rape and that other time when Rape wasn't ALWAYS Rape was just a... what... temporary insanity?

 

[Axiology]

What is the source of this gif...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGXZOrEV7_c

 

[Mike M]

Can you quote the link fully and give me a source? My computer for some reason cannot open it.

Edit: Nevermind I got it. Give me a chance to read it.

Shit I just did a huge post that somehow did not get posted.

Just read the link people. It is about a think tank that recommends the Republican party does certain things. It is in no way policy.

You're blowing my mind here...

This is not a think tank. This is the RNC platform comittee, the people responsible for drafting the official platform of the Republican Party. CNN isn't citing some anonymous source, they were present at the press conference where they announced this resolution and were presented with the text they approved.

Granted it still needs to go up for vote at the convention, but it's guaranteed to pass.