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Gov. Browns proposed budget lacks new funds to combat teacher shortage
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They're screwed because they can't touch their insane property tax system due to California's stupid referendums.
This is part of the reason why I think the charter vs public school is a distraction from the fact that there isn't enough money in the system in the first place.
The root of a lot of California's recent problems, imo.
Who's bright idea was that?
Not just their recent ones.
Howard Jarvis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Jarvis
Prop 13 limits property tax from rising above 1% of their value when the owner bought the property. It was marketed as a way to keep grandma and grandpa from having to move from their house when they get old.
Instead, the law also affects commercial property, so a company like Disney is sitting at this point billions of dollars of property (just Disneyland alone would be a fortune) and is only taxed at their 1975 year rate.
No politician wants to touch it because it's still seen as a way to keep taxes down.
I saw anti tax Republican and that's all I needed to know.
Coriolanus
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kiunchbb
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Because middle class is not fucked enough?
Good luck on your rental too, I doubt your landlord will be nice enough to eat the cost.
Because people have so many problems with this in the other 49 states.
Yes, it causes problems in a boom. The good thing is that you can sell into a boom.
This keeps massive amounts of tax revenue, most of it not from the middle class, out of the hands of Cali's citizens.
Please, see: SF for why a boom doesn't have a thing to do with taxes.
Coriolanus
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the middle class gets fucked just the same when government then lacks the means to fund public services that they enjoy.
Long term, the only ones that benefit from that... thing are the really wealthy.
Then update the referendum so it doesn't apply to commercial properties and make it apply only to currently living folks. When they pass away, the kids either pay the new property tax or sell the property
You have to kill it for everyone - residential being exempted is part of the problem as well. It's just politically unpopular, and because of that, almost impossible to kill without a constitutional convention.
It's a popular law and likely could still be put in place by the legislature. Tax benefits linked to home ownership have always been extremely popular with voters. You likely will never see the mortgage-interest deduction go away despite how much more awful it actually is compared to Prop 13.
California voters have been fine with raising income taxes on the rich and taxing themselves locally via "parcel taxes" and other similar taxes--Los Angeles just passed property-related measures (via referendums) to fund affordable housing, homeless housing and parks, for instance.
In terms of the effective property tax rate, it really isn't that much lower than most states:
https://wallethub.com/edu/states-with-the-highest-and-lowest-property-taxes/11585/
To say that California is "screwed" is hyperbolic nonsense.
You mischaracterize the law. The assessed value can rise 2% per year, the property tax is not a limit of 1% total based on when the property was bought. They are not paying a 1975 year rate; the property's assessed value is based on limited increases per year from the 1975 assessed value.
You really don't need to kill it for everyone. Killing it for commercial properties over $X value could likely be acceptable.
Parmadillo Marshmallow
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This is true. As a property owner in CA I do get re-assessed every year, but it's still well under the value that a real property assessment would give.
The 1% is just for state. The county adds another few tenths of a % on top of that as well.
I also have 3 kids in CA public school, so this law both helps me and hurts me.
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I hate to sound like an asshole, but school in middle class area is doing pretty good already.
School is funded by the county, and most property tax goes directly to each county.
The problem isn't just school not paying enough for teacher, the problem is that very little teachers that making middle class salaries are willing live in a poor neighborhoods. Remember that teacher also get subsidy (cheaper mortgage) for living close to the school.
Karsticles
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Why can't CA keep teachers? I would love to live in CA.
LOL. What? how do you guys maintain infrastructure? What about adjusting sales tax? you need to find revenue somewhere.
Probably don't pay them enough. It's expensive to live there. I would almost love to see private schools abolished. I bet if everyone had to attend one you'd see a dramatic increase in their quality and the pay standards for teachers.
Yes there are many adjustments to other taxes already, some at local level. Not as much compared to the amount state would gain without Prop 13 due to recent booms obviously.
California has been in a surplus for the last 4 years. There are high income taxes and sales taxes. Local property and parcel taxes. There are also things like a cap and trade program (that brought in $2 billion or so last year) that other states don't have. Gas taxes, a pilot program to tax vehicle's based on mileage (because gas taxes won't pay for road infrastructure when gas is no longer bought due to more efficient cars and electric cars).
I would guess that it has to do with the good school districts being full/very difficult to get into.
"Bad" districts aren't bad because of students in my experience. Kids in general want to be at school and learn.
What usually makes up a bad district is fucked up administrators and a bad home office/district office.
Bad leadership will always lead to a bad place to work at.
Some new teachers can't stand the bullying culture pervasive in the school administration even in a "good" district.
Knew someone who taught at a prestigious school, then quit because she couldn't stand the teachers + students who were making her life miserable.
She lives in Japan now married while raising a son and working at a very low-paid part-time job.
Coriolanus
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don't worry, you didn't. That's a very valid point. Am now noticing that the system was designed to disproportionally benefit richer counties. Huh. Doubt that was by accident >_>
do poorer counties get other sorts of benefits to balance that out?
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