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Graphical Fidelity I Expect This Gen
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GymWolf
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Everyone called that...
Lethal01
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Masterofchapter
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Best looking lol may be in cutscenes, looks okay in gameplay, character models sucks too
Best looking game gets to be pin sharp at 4k?
I am all in. I wonder how it will fare with all the technically more advanced UE5 titles now.
But holy shit it will be god at 4k
Johnny Concrete
Member
Well whattayaknow, shots look better with properly placed lights and post processing then with just a directional light.
Who would’ve thought.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Now figure out how to get hero lighting working during gameplay.
ChiefDada
Member
Hero lighting could be useful for the subpar cutscenes, but it would take away from the brilliant dynamic lighting applied to in game character models imo.
SM2 has the most consistently striking gameplay visuals I've ever seen. I would love the option to tighten up the FOV.
arkhamguy123
Banned
Lol completely unrelated to graphics but that clip wtf man lol
That’s literally just flying. Like Superman. Or iron man. It’s so gloriously un-spiderman like. That’s like a Batman game where the traversal is running around at super speed like the flash
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MidGenRefresh
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It's Spider-Man for Gen Z. Lame and vastly inferior to swinging addition but thankfully optional in most situations.
ChiefDada
Member
Swinging can be just as cool especially with zero swing assist which I'm getting much better at. I don't get the hate for the glider. Peter is a scientist. It's not far fetched for him to devise other efficient means to traverse through NYC. I like using them both together.
arkhamguy123
Banned
Well said :/
arkhamguy123
Banned
Not well said :/
Lumpyoatmeal
Member
Then tell him to devise a MTA card.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Dude the flying is the best part of the game. It's what makes this game feel like a true sequel instead of glorified DLC like so many other sequels these days. I pretty much left swinging and went with the flying options the whole game and even after almost 30 hours, I just love flying through the city. Its the superman game we never got.
good studios make sure to add new elements and change stuff for sequels to keep them feeling fresh. you are an arkham fan. the batmobile was poorly received but had they not added, simply gliding around the city wouldve definitely felt too boring. the flying setpieces and mini games are the best part of this game.
my only issue with it is that flying is only fast when you slingshot or use the wind tunnels. they shouldve just let us fly at those speeds at all times.
Vick
Member
arkhamguy123
Banned
I didn’t say it wasn’t fun or that there isn’t a justification narratively or whatever, I said it’s un-Spider-Man like which I stand by
Also batmobile is a very, very, very bad comparison. Batman drives the batmobile. That’s a big part of the character. Spider-Man doesn’t fly like Superman
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Spiderman in the MCU has been flying since the first movie. Tony Stark built him a suit.
Balducci30
Member
They haven’t released an actual game they developed have they?
Balducci30
Member
Idk the actual gameplay footage reminded me of the crazy gulf between cutscenes and when you’re playing the actual game. They’re great at little tricks to sort of trick you that it looks kinda similar - but it seems really obvious in that trailer.Best looking game gets to be pin sharp at 4k?
I am all in. I wonder how it will fare with all the technically more advanced UE5 titles now.
But holy shit it will be god at 4k
EDIT: also LOL at these spider man 2 gifs. Come on. The game just does not look like that when you’re playing it 99.9% of the time. Disingenuous.
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arkhamguy123
Banned
Spiderman in the MCU has been flying since the first movie. Tony Stark built him a suit.
He didn't fly in homecoming, he glided about 20 feet while descending rapidly to a ferry, and then glided maybe 30 feet over a helicopter to swing in the Washington monument
Even in those gifs and all through far from home the motherfucker is descending quickly. They were trying to do like wing suit jumping like The Batman did but more comic booky of course. This is literally just straight up iron man/superman flight
I know im getting off topic and maybe its a nitpick but cmon I know you people see what I'm saying
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I honestly dont see it. the dude flies in the movies. he flies in the games. technically hes gliding in the game too if you are not in those wind tunnels. you are always descending. if anything, i wish he was straight up flying outside of those wind tunnels.
this is a good thing. its fun to fly, glide, whatever you want to call it. It makes traversal fast, fluid and responsive. It makes every setpiece a blast. it shits on every single game out there with slow traversal speeds.
there is lots to make fun of spiderman 2 over. but this aint it.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Looks great. Arguably the best looking game of last gen.
But its also fair to say that it looks ok compared to the latest releases. HFW, Demon Souls, ratchet, Cyberpunk, Alan Wake 2, Starfield's interiors, and Robocop are all ahead of TLOU2 by now. Just slapping 4k on it wont change that. Had they updated it with RTGI or RT shadows to fix some of its issues we've been discussing here for weeks, it wouldve probably pushed itself back in the conversation. Alan Wake, demon souls and ratchet have this fantastic volumetric quality to the lighting that just makes TLOU2 feel last gen.
its still probably in the top ten. I am debating whether or not spiderman 2 looks better. At times it does. At times, not so much. Id say in terms of cutscenes, its still at the top, but its been topped in gameplay by several games.
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peish
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NEXT GEN IS FINALLY HERE
This looks hot!
arkhamguy123
Banned
Okay slimysnake, listen to me, he’s not flying in the movies, he is straight up flying for hundreds of meters in a straight line in the game. It’s completely different
There is not a single moment or scene in any Spider-Man movie, tv show, or comic where he’s flying like Superman as he is in the game
I’m not disputing it’s fun factor. I’m disputing it as an in character thing for Spider-Man
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Fair enough. like i said, if you are not in the wind tunnels, you cant glide forever, you are always descending. its not flying, its a glide suit just like the movies.
the tunnels are there to get you across the bridges to queens and brooklyn or work as highways within manhattan. its a gamey addition. not really a big deal. if anything, i wish they got rid of the tunnels and let us fly like that without the tunnels but they probably knew arkhamguy would take issue with that.
arkhamguy123
Banned
No I agree with all that, I said it was a nitpick
And no lol. I know you’re joking but let’s just say insomniac has completely abandoned any sensibilities I like or any appeal that pertains to me. I say that as a huge fan of the first game too
arkhamguy123
Banned
Back on topic, I really don’t see any upcoming superhero game impressing graphically. Insomniac is a joke and wolverine will simply look “aight” I’m sure.
Suicide squad… Jesus don’t get me started. Modern Rocksteady is a fucking joke too and the footage looks like shit. Trades blows with their 2015 PS4 game. If not looks a little worse. It’s made for cheap. That’s what it is. It’s cheap. WB told rocksteady and WB Montreal that the Batman games were getting too expensive with their premium presentation and fancy graphics and oh look, Gotham Knights and Suicide Squad look like cheap phoned in fortnite copies. What a shock
Wonder Woman? Could be promising. Next gen exclusive. But Shadow of War and Shadow of Mordor were never lookers. The very definition of mid tier. Just “hey here’s a PS4 game”. Not bad not great.
Iron man? Motive is not a graphics powerhouse. They had a next gen exclusive remake, where theoretically more of their time and energy could be spent towards pushing tech and graphics and polishing and they got shown up graphically by a cross gen new IP knock off Callisto Protocol by some no name studio
And the black panther team is a no name studio. Unproven
So yeah
Suicide squad… Jesus don’t get me started. Modern Rocksteady is a fucking joke too and the footage looks like shit. Trades blows with their 2015 PS4 game. If not looks a little worse. It’s made for cheap. That’s what it is. It’s cheap. WB told rocksteady and WB Montreal that the Batman games were getting too expensive with their premium presentation and fancy graphics and oh look, Gotham Knights and Suicide Squad look like cheap phoned in fortnite copies. What a shock
Wonder Woman? Could be promising. Next gen exclusive. But Shadow of War and Shadow of Mordor were never lookers. The very definition of mid tier. Just “hey here’s a PS4 game”. Not bad not great.
Iron man? Motive is not a graphics powerhouse. They had a next gen exclusive remake, where theoretically more of their time and energy could be spent towards pushing tech and graphics and polishing and they got shown up graphically by a cross gen new IP knock off Callisto Protocol by some no name studio
And the black panther team is a no name studio. Unproven
So yeah
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Wolverine should look better. More like ratchet than spiderman 2. doubt its an open world game. And since they will have to create assets from scratch, doubt they would get lazy like they did with reusing the spiderman city.Back on topic, I really don’t see any upcoming superhero game impressing graphically. Insomniac is a joke and wolverine will simply look “aight” I’m sure.
Suicide squad… Jesus don’t get me started. Modern Rocksteady is a fucking joke too and the footage looks like shit. Trades blows with their 2015 PS4 game. If not looks a little worse. It’s made for cheap. That’s what it is. It’s cheap. WB told rocksteady and WB Montreal that the Batman games were getting too expensive with their premium presentation and fancy graphics and oh look, Gotham Knights and Suicide Squad look like cheap phoned in fortnite copies. What a shock
Wonder Woman? Could be promising. Next gen exclusive. But Shadow of War and Shadow of Mordor were never lookers. The very definition of mid tier. Just “hey here’s a PS4 game”. Not bad not great.
Iron man? Motive is not a graphics powerhouse. They had a next gen exclusive remake, where theoretically more of their time and energy could be spent towards pushing tech and graphics and polishing and they got shown up graphically by a cross gen new IP knock off Callisto Protocol by some no name studio
And the black panther team is a no name studio. Unproven
So yeah
the rest i agree. dont expect too much.
this looks amazing. UE5 is a work of art.
like all nc soft games though. this game is never coming out. pretty sure they are a front for a money laundering operation.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
What game at the VGAs could top gta6? We are hitting the second Gen period of this Gen and lots of AAA studios are due for their first game. Its possible everyone from naughty dog to Kojima and Crystal dynamics turn up.
But will they top gta6 in terms of visuals? Not taking into account physics and npc simulations. Purely visuals.
I think CD using UE5 will probably produce the best looking game. Expecting near photorealistic visuals.
Death stranding 2 won’t look as good but should impress.
Naughty dog will likely release some bullshot cutscene only teaser that will look the best but i feel other games with gameplay will be taken more seriously. If its a sci fi new ip, people will lose their shit.
Ass creed japan is supposed to have full scale destruction and i think it will look even better than avatar. But roughly on par with death stranding 2.
Doubt wolverine or ghost of tsushima are shown but even if they are, gta6 will eat their lunch.
I wonder if gears 6 is ready to be shown. As a ue5 game, i expect it to be a cut above everything else, but the art style might work against it.
I hope epic releases another matrix quality demo. Show these devs just what’s possible this Gen.
But will they top gta6 in terms of visuals? Not taking into account physics and npc simulations. Purely visuals.
I think CD using UE5 will probably produce the best looking game. Expecting near photorealistic visuals.
Death stranding 2 won’t look as good but should impress.
Naughty dog will likely release some bullshot cutscene only teaser that will look the best but i feel other games with gameplay will be taken more seriously. If its a sci fi new ip, people will lose their shit.
Ass creed japan is supposed to have full scale destruction and i think it will look even better than avatar. But roughly on par with death stranding 2.
Doubt wolverine or ghost of tsushima are shown but even if they are, gta6 will eat their lunch.
I wonder if gears 6 is ready to be shown. As a ue5 game, i expect it to be a cut above everything else, but the art style might work against it.
I hope epic releases another matrix quality demo. Show these devs just what’s possible this Gen.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
There is no crazy gulf. Vick posted screenshots. Game looks just as good in gameplay with some obvious lod tricks which might get fixed and worse models which are usually less detailed around the face which barely matters in gameplay
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arkhamguy123
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I think you’re setting yourself up for some disappointment honestly
These days the game awards are a complete dice roll year to year with the general trend being a cricket chirp worthy uneventful anticlimactic dud. The kind of show with “”””world premiers”””” that make you miss E3 like an ex girlfriend that got away
You named some heavy hitters and I just don’t know bro. I usually go in expect lame ass indies and garbage games nobody cares about with MAYBE 1-2 heavy hitters in the whole 3 hours
MidGenRefresh
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All gameplay.
From my last session. Yes, you can find areas that look stunning, especially some of the foliage in more closed-off sections. But more often than not it looks painfully last-gen during normal play.
Is there an official list of improvements that 'remaster' will have?
From my last session. Yes, you can find areas that look stunning, especially some of the foliage in more closed-off sections. But more often than not it looks painfully last-gen during normal play.
Is there an official list of improvements that 'remaster' will have?
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Let me repostAll gameplay.
From my last session. Yes, you can find areas that look stunning, especially some of the foliage in more closed-off sections. But more often than not it looks painfully last-gen during normal play.
Is there an official list of improvements that 'remaster' will have?
Vick
amazing gameplay shots from other topic + even more from him in spoiler tag below
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Turk1993
GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons
You guys are still wanking off on TLOU2 lol, it looked (still looks good) incredible when it launched on PS4. And i would also say one of the best looking game on PS4, but fuck the BEST LOOKING GAME OF ALL TIME bullshit lol. The game shows it age and the remaster doesn't look that different from what they have showed.All gameplay.
From my last session. Yes, you can find areas that look stunning, especially some of the foliage in more closed-off sections. But more often than not it looks painfully last-gen during normal play.
Is there an official list of improvements that 'remaster' will have?
Here are some games that launched before TLOU 2, now compare them with Vicks pictures and tell me if those are still the better looking.
And some free camera shots
Vick
Member
Problem with TLOU Part II comparison vs other games is that what's truly setting it apart doesn't show in pictures.Let me repost
RoboCop, PS5 Performance:
Legit looks a generation ahead. Yet I'm not sure I could ever say Rogue City is a better looking game than TLOU Part I or Part II while keeping a straight face.
The moment you see it in motion and your brain register animations, real-time cutscenes, facial animations, AI, water interaction etc. game's almost out from the PS2 generation.
UE5 is just too damn good and Nanite the most welcome addition to real-time graphics possibly ever for me, for certain more impactful than RT personally, it's just that general polish/consistency/artistry in those two Naughty Dog games is only matched/surpassed by Rockstar titles in my opinion, thought reinforced by the fact three years into "next-gen" I have yet to play a single game I could say looks truly better than Part I/Part II as an overall package.
Matrix Awakens and RoboCop, mainly thanks to Nanite, are the only true "Next-Gen" moments I've experienced.
Those aside I could mention Forbidden West as a title that got close for instance, but the obvious LOD transitions when flying, lighting/occlusion being just straight wrong at times, and general level of consistency vs those games.. just no.
Even those awful Part II pictures posted above, once you see that river and thunderstorm in motion, you see the flashlight GI bouncing off every surface giving the thing a pre-rendered look, it's obvious the game just couldn't have looked better while keeping a stable framerate on a goddamn PS4.
Plus, hard to ignore how fucking monumental a game like TLOU Part II is, where you never walk into the same room twice. Head hurts just thinking about the amount of work that went into that game.
I think you might be underestimating decima and kojimas studio. They absolutely knocked it out of the park with ds1 and they were working with an engine they had zero experience with, I have little doubt that ds2 will be right up there
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
The reason rogue city doesn't look better than tlou2 (which it Cleary does not in my opinions).Problem with TLOU Part II comparison vs other games is that what's truly setting it apart doesn't show in pictures.
RoboCop, PS5 Performance:
Legit looks a generation ahead. Yet I'm not sure I could ever say Rogue City is a better looking game than TLOU Part I or Part II while keeping a straight face.
The moment you see it in motion and your brain register animations, real-time cutscenes, facial animations, AI, water interaction etc. game's almost out from the PS2 generation.
UE5 is just too damn good and Nanite the most welcome addition to real-time graphics possibly ever for me, for certain more impactful than RT personally, it's just that general polish/consistency/artistry in those two Naughty Dog games is only matched/surpassed by Rockstar titles in my opinion, thought reinforced by the fact three years into "next-gen" I have yet to play a single game I could say looks truly better than Part I/Part II as an overall package.
Matrix Awakens and RoboCop, mainly thanks to Nanite, are the only true "Next-Gen" moments I've experienced.
Those aside I could mention Forbidden West as a title that got close for instance, but the obvious LOD transitions when flying, lighting/occlusion being just straight wrong at times, and general level of consistency vs those games.. just no.
Even those awful Part II pictures posted above, once you see that river and thunderstorm in motion, you see the flashlight GI bouncing off every surface giving the thing a pre-rendered look, it's obvious the game just couldn't have looked better while keeping a stable framerate on a goddamn PS4.
Plus, hard to ignore how fucking monumental a game like TLOU Part II is, where you never walk into the same room twice. Head hurts just thinking about the amount of work that went into that game.
Of course the pure tech and assets quality is sometimes BETTER in robocop but of course it is years later, next gen.
But also, robocop is a collection of quixel assets.
There is a reason some streamers (idk like dr disrespect) launch robocop and say it looks mid indie game. You kinda have to know what too look at in order to appreciate the tech.
But we are not appreciating only tech here. Tlou2 is more coherent and where robocop uses raw UE5 and hardware power, TLou2 uses cleaver tricks and techniques to cheat the effects. I find is fascinating.
Dice engine is fantastic truly. Looks great. But imo, not as good as tlou2 still.You guys are still wanking off on TLOU2 lol, it looked (still looks good) incredible when it launched on PS4. And i would also say one of the best looking game on PS4, but fuck the BEST LOOKING GAME OF ALL TIME bullshit lol. The game shows it age and the remaster doesn't look that different from what they have showed.
Here are some games that launched before TLOU 2, now compare them with Vicks pictures and tell me if those are still the better looking.
And some free camera shots
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I think you misunderstood me. I’m asking which games could top gta6. I don’t think all those games will be there. Just that even if they are, I don’t see them topping gta6.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Oh i think it will be up there. I just don’t think it will be the greatest thing ever made. I love Kojima but the ds2 trailer didn’t look as good as the cutscenes in the matrix which looked photorealistic.
rhodesianshepard
Banned
Linear games like Hellblade 2 will probably look better in photo mode. GTA 6, when you combine with its animations, will be the best looking game this generation. Maybe outside whatever Naughty Dog releases
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Going to download battlefront 2 to see if it actually looks like that. Battlefront 1 didn’t pass the test last week. I know bfv didn’t look like that. Played it on PC. It looked even worse than bf1 which had far more cohesive art direction. Tlou2 shits on it.You guys are still wanking off on TLOU2 lol, it looked (still looks good) incredible when it launched on PS4. And i would also say one of the best looking game on PS4, but fuck the BEST LOOKING GAME OF ALL TIME bullshit lol. The game shows it age and the remaster doesn't look that different from what they have showed.
Here are some games that launched before TLOU 2, now compare them with Vicks pictures and tell me if those are still the better looking.
And some free camera shots
Tlou2’s biggest accomplishment is the motion matching system which is still unmatched. Its cutscenes too. The game is inconsistent yes, but like hfw the overall package was ahead of its contemporaries back in 2020. Its why even though cyberpunk came out in 2020, people still considered tlou2 a visual showpiece. Cyberpunks animation and character models simply couldn’t compare even if the lighting and overall world level of detail was better.
We were discussing production values the other day and they definitely count. Along with art direction, cutscenes, facial animations, setpieces, and animation quality. I have posted plenty of shots from tlou2 that look ordinary if not downright bad compared to robocop, but the moment i post a gif of a setpiece or male takedown animation or a cutscene with insane production values, tlou2 would go toe to toe with it and easily top the dice games from last Gen.
AeonGaidenRaiden
Member
Best looking game gets to be pin sharp at 4k?
I am all in. I wonder how it will fare with all the technically more advanced UE5 titles now.
But holy shit it will be god at 4k
Can we stop with this bullshit and pretend this is how the game actually looks? You are comparing bullshot cutscene shots with actual gameplay. Go find me a model of Ellie or Joel that look that details while even standing still. They have been doing this since U4. This is not an example of how the game actually looks in motion.
MidGenRefresh
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In-game characters in ND games don’t even look like the same person compared to what’s showed in the cinematics.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Cinematics are in-game. Are not prerendered.
besides - I postes shots above how it looks in-game. It's not far off
MidGenRefresh
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
You say let's be real and then post some cherry picked crap. gtfo man.Let's be real.
Bonus: The Last of Us Part 1 (remake on PS5):
This is trolling territory.
Every single game uses better character models for cutscenes but the fact is tlou2 are still real time.
of course next gen games are able to use higher models in game but look at Alan WAke 2. It's models are even worse in gameplay. That's why they don't even allow you to rotate the camera to see the faces. When you do that on a ladder, it's doodoo
And in every game you can position camera and light to post what you posted. I finished the game. You are not convincing me of this crap.
Look again what vick posted
All gameplay.