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[GymWolf]

It a much slower and heavier version of MGSV, but it has the same animations and you can do basically the same things. The problem is that the environments are very tight and small so it's more difficult to have that freedom that MGSV open world provides. I actually don't see nothing wrong with this. MGS3 linear levels are fun to play as well

I have no problems with extremely heavy games, i fucking love rdr2 that is much heavier and animation driven than delta, but the game feeling is nowhere near as fluid as mgs5 to me, same animations means nothing when the skeleton of the game is an old game and this is clearly not a full blown remake but something in the middle, exactly like oblivion that has upgraded combat animations but feel exactly like old oblivion gameplay wise, delta feel clunky to me.
They have some similarity like the prone controls\movements but if i have to be honest, i never liked mgs prone controls, they feel unprecise, it feel like snake is a wood stick with a central axis for lack of better words tlou2 prone mode always felt much more fluid but i guess that is a personal preference.

i mean good for you if you think this play like mgs5, it would be a great mix of modern gameplay and kojima fuckery when he was still a vg maker and not a fart sniffer

 

[anyasok]

I have no problems with extremely heavy games, i fucking love rdr2 that is much heavier and animation driven than delta, but the game feeling is nowhere near as fluid as mgs5 to me, same animations means nothing when the skeleton of the game is an old game and this is clearly not a full blown remake but something in the middle, exactly like oblivion that has upgraded combat animations but feel exactly like old oblivion gameplay wise, delta feel clunky to me.
They have some similarity like the prone controls\movements but if i have to be honest, i never liked mgs prone controls, they feel unprecise, it feel like snake is a wood stick with a central axis for lack of better words tlou2 prone mode always felt much more fluid but i guess that is a personal preference.

i mean good for you if you think this play like mgs5, it would be a great mix of modern gameplay and kojima fuckery when he was still a vg maker and not a fart sniffer

Delta is literally same game with upgraded graphics (but not in animations). I am baffled why they didn't approach it like the SH2 remake, which is why I am not buying it.

 

[anyasok]

You need to play professional baseball spirits. UE5. Incredible animations. Almost braodcast quality production values. It's a gorgeous looking game.

WTF why they dont have it overseas and why other games dont look like this.

 

[SlimySnake]

WTF why they dont have it overseas and why other games dont look like this.

You can still buy it on psn. Just have to create a Singapore account and use play Asia for a singapore psn card. Steam on the other hand requires vpn and i just couldn't find a vpn to get around their requirements.


Other games don't look like this because they are not on ue5 and because they target 4k 60. This game targets 1080p 60 fps which means it has access to 4x more gpu to render better graphics instead of just 4x more pixels.

Its why mgs delta looks so good. Its an expensive game even on pc which is making a lot of people very upset but i dont mind it. Running at 4k dlss quality to balanced at 30 fps on my 3080 and it is a true next gen title. My 5080 is coming today which should hopefully get me to 60 fps without sacrificing detail.

 

[Buggy Loop]

You can enable hardware lumen in MGS!

 

[nkill20]

You can enable hardware lumen in MGS!

Someone should try this in Mafia.

 

[Bojji]

You can enable hardware lumen in MGS!

Fuck me.

Why this option isn't in the game? Game was build with hardware lumen from day one.

Developers these days...

 

[Gonzito]

You can enable hardware lumen in MGS!

Holy shit. I need to try this when I get home

 

[MDSLKTR]

This game, man, this game...

Almost every scene has top-quality assets, character models and lighting.
Also, I haven't seen a generational difference between consoles and PC in a long time like this. The PS5 Pro version was a blurry mess, I immediately switched to the PC version.

Shit, so is that the general consensus, PS5pro bros? I'm going to pick up me pre-order today, but debating going PC after seeing the available ini tweaks.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Fuck me.

Why this option isn't in the game? Game was build with hardware lumen from day one.

Developers these days...

Its mind blowing. It's right there! Just put a fucking option for it!

 

[Pharaoh 117]

Its mind blowing. It's right there! Just put a fucking option for it!

Exactly. I can understand they not wanting to deal with the problems generated from unlocking the frame rate or enabling ultra wide but Hardware Lumen seems very stable, with the obvious downside of being heavier.

 

[SlimySnake]

Fuck me.

Why this option isn't in the game? Game was build with hardware lumen from day one.

Developers these days...

Alex did a video on this. You can even enable ray reconstruction and enhanced rough material tracing. only problem is that the fps drops from 72 to 42 on a 5090 when running at 4k dlaa.

I just had my 5080 delivered and i was hoping to finally start gaming at 60 fps and leave my 30 fps days behind but this mod is going to be tough to run at 60 fps on my 5080.

This is me and 30 fps:

 

[SlimySnake]

Its mind blowing. It's right there! Just put a fucking option for it!

Dude, havent you seen just how much bad press they have gotten over the regular software lumen performnace? especially on twitter with grifters like nintek constantly going viral for making fun of how expensive it is even on a 5080?

imagine if they had hardware lumen and ray reconstruction. these grifters would max it out and then bitch and moan even more.

we live in a shitty society where a vocal minority of losers just want engagement farming and punish devs who actually push the bar. while rewarding devs like kojima who took the easy way out just because it ran at 1440p 60 fps on the base console.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Dude, havent you seen just how much bad press they have gotten over the regular software lumen performnace? especially on twitter with grifters like nintek constantly going viral for making fun of how expensive it is even on a 5080?

imagine if they had hardware lumen and ray reconstruction. these grifters would max it out and then bitch and moan even more.

we live in a shitty society where a vocal minority of losers just want engagement farming and punish devs who actually push the bar. while rewarding devs like kojima who took the easy way out just because it ran at 1440p 60 fps on the base console.

I sincerely hope devs ignore the grifters to be honest, it's just white noise at this point on Youtube and for so many subjects. But you might be right, maybe they saw the performance and didn't want to be dragged over the coals by giving them more ammo. Sad fucking state. PC should always have the maximum of options, even the ones that need the highest top end hardware. It's funny that there's push back against this, its PC's identity.

 

[SlimySnake]

I sincerely hope devs ignore the grifters to be honest, it's just white noise at this point on Youtube and for so many subjects. But you might be right, maybe they saw the performance and didn't want to be dragged over the coals by giving them more ammo. Sad fucking state. PC should always have the maximum of options, even the ones that need the highest top end hardware. It's funny that there's push back against this, its PC's identity.

True. Maybe its a dev problem because sh2 features the hardware lumen toggle on both pc and ps5 pro.

They kind of fucked up there ps5 pro version by not allowing for different options. No 30 fps toggle, no pssr toggle, no performance or quality mode presets. Maybe the devs are just weird.

Btw silent hill f was at gamescom. Df played it and were surprised by the iq in the 60 fps mode. I think delta is probably just built on an older version of ue5. I wish i knew how to check that.

 

[Gonzito]

Alex did a video on this. You can even enable ray reconstruction and enhanced rough material tracing. only problem is that the fps drops from 72 to 42 on a 5090 when running at 4k dlaa.

I just had my 5080 delivered and i was hoping to finally start gaming at 60 fps and leave my 30 fps days behind but this mod is going to be tough to run at 60 fps on my 5080.

This is me and 30 fps:

Congrats!

which cpu will you pair it with?

 

[SlimySnake]

Congrats!

which cpu will you pair it with?

the same i7-17000k. if it holds it back i might upgrade it but that means upgrading mobo and ram and worse AIO which is basically like building a new PC so im trying to avoid that.

Edit: this thing is great. literally doubling my framerate in mafia at max settings even though its supposed to be just 79% better. i wonder if the 10gb vram of my 3080 was holding it back. i dont get the feeling i am cpu bottlenecked here. went to the biggest city in the game and am easily hitting 60 fps with no drops and gpu has no problems maxing out. i dont know why people said its just a 4080 ti. mgs3 next.

 

[ResetEraVetVIP]

we live in a shitty society where a vocal minority of losers just want engagement farming and punish devs who actually push the bar. while rewarding devs like kojima who took the easy way out just because it ran at 1440p 60 fps on the base console.

This. This is why you should never take consensus from the masses on video games....

 

[SlimySnake]

lol this random dude just showed up in Mafia and has the best looking face in the game. Why cant the protagonist and the head of the family look like this? Thankfully MGS3 is much more consistent. Everyone in that game looks fantastic. But this dude is in another league.

Didnt even realize the materials on his coat and west were so detailed. UE5 i wish i knew how to quit you.

 

[ResetEraVetVIP]

Its mind blowing. It's right there! Just put a fucking option for it!

Exactly.

 

[T-0800]

lol this random dude just showed up in Mafia and has the best looking face in the game. Why cant the protagonist and the head of the family look like this? Thankfully MGS3 is much more consistent. Everyone in that game looks fantastic. But this dude is in another league.

Didnt even realize the materials on his coat and west were so detailed. UE5 i wish i knew how to quit you.

You think that looks good? Things haven't improved much from PS2 Silent Hill 3 guy judging from that.

 

[SlimySnake]

You think that looks good? Things haven't improved much from PS2 Silent Hill 3 guy judging from that.

 

[alloush]

lol this random dude just showed up in Mafia and has the best looking face in the game. Why cant the protagonist and the head of the family look like this? Thankfully MGS3 is much more consistent. Everyone in that game looks fantastic. But this dude is in another league.

Didnt even realize the materials on his coat and west were so detailed. UE5 i wish i knew how to quit you.

A thousand bucks say this guy is the head of a mafia in real life and so they put all the resources into creating him in the game, you know the devs have families and all

 

[RavionUHD]

The correct black tones and contrast looks impressive, which reshade settings did you activate?

I use this:

Ingame using FakeHDR and Lumasharpen.

Here some more screenshots in 4857*1920P Ultrawide DLDSR, DLSS Transformer, Reshade and RTX HDR:

 

[coachmcguirk91]

lol this random dude just showed up in Mafia and has the best looking face in the game. Why cant the protagonist and the head of the family look like this? Thankfully MGS3 is much more consistent. Everyone in that game looks fantastic. But this dude is in another league.

Didnt even realize the materials on his coat and west were so detailed. UE5 i wish i knew how to quit you.

Is that a cutscene or in game?

Ahti in Alan Wake 2 is the most impressive in game NPC i have come across

 

[YeulEmeralda]

The limit in sports game is called gambling. Ever since the introductions of loot boxes everything went to shit. Gameplay first, and tech together.

I don't watch sports on TV much but the last time I did there were ads for casinos and gambling everywhere.

 

[RodriGames40]

True. Maybe its a dev problem because sh2 features the hardware lumen toggle on both pc and ps5 pro.

They kind of fucked up there ps5 pro version by not allowing for different options. No 30 fps toggle, no pssr toggle, no performance or quality mode presets. Maybe the devs are just weird.

Btw silent hill f was at gamescom. Df played it and were surprised by the iq in the 60 fps mode. I think delta is probably just built on an older version of ue5. I wish i knew how to check that.

It's actually not that old, surprisingly. UE5.3

Always check out PCgamingwiki for that, whenever a game comes out they put it in there.

 

[SlimySnake]

It's actually not that old, surprisingly. UE5.3

Always check out PCgamingwiki for that, whenever a game comes out they put it in there.

Ah that explains the CPU related drops on consoles. Those didnt make it till 5.4.

I am having zero issues on PC. But my CPU is strong enough to not be a bottleneck. those zen 2 CPUs Alex was testing with are the same ones on the consoles and their shitty sub 4.0 clock speeds cant handle the single threaded nature of pre UE5.4 games.

 

[SlimySnake]

People are going nuts with the photo mode in this game. from era:

Also, look at these rocks man. played this level last night and i was blown away by the lighting and level of detail. Nanite man. Nanite.

 

[Bojji]

People are going nuts with the photo mode in this game. from era:

Also, look at these rocks man. played this level last night and i was blown away by the lighting and level of detail. Nanite man. Nanite.

Nah, looks like PS4 game./s

 

[SlimySnake]

I love rocks

 

[mrMUR_96]

This game, man, this game...

Almost every scene has top-quality assets, character models and lighting.
Also, I haven't seen a generational difference between consoles and PC in a long time like this. The PS5 Pro version was a blurry mess, I immediately switched to the PC version.

4K Ultra DLAA;

The more I see of this, the more it looks like one of the best games this generation visually. Of course the scope is more limited, but damn it does look excellent, very CGI like.

 

[Jack Howitzer]

very CGI like.

Warning: plz be cautiousyou may trigger someone here with statement like this! Now stay ready for another ruthless "no this is far from cgi " holy war

Jokes aside yeah , game is indeed a looker

 

[icecold1983]

Warning: plz be cautiousyou may trigger someone here with statement like this! Now stay ready for another ruthless "no this is far from cgi " holy war

Jokes aside yeah , game is indeed a looker

 

[Toots]

MGS Delta, a game so beautiful you can post heteronormative screenshots on era without getting banned

 

[DanielG165]

lol this random dude just showed up in Mafia and has the best looking face in the game. Why cant the protagonist and the head of the family look like this? Thankfully MGS3 is much more consistent. Everyone in that game looks fantastic. But this dude is in another league.

Didnt even realize the materials on his coat and west were so detailed. UE5 i wish i knew how to quit you.

Just got past this scene myself. Mafia literally looks like an offline rendered film at times. Absolutely mind blowing looking game.

 

[GymWolf]

i have only one problem with most of mgs delta models, they are too stylized, you can trick an old man thinking that this is a real picture of a woman

There is no fucking way you convince anyone those are real persons

They just look like very detailed videogame characters.

Who think the same?

 

[Luipadre]

i have only one problem with most of mgs delta models, they are too stylized, you can trick an old man thinking that this is a real picture of a woman

There is no fucking way you convince anyone those are real persons

They just look like very detailed videogame characters.

Who think the same?

Still looks insanely good

 

[GymWolf]

Still looks insanely good

But you get my point, don't you?

Imagine what nd could cook with metahumans tech...

 

[Luipadre]

But you get my point, don't you?

Yes, but my point still stands

 

[GymWolf]

Yes, but my point still stands

Your point was never in doubt.

Althought i don't think like slimy that all the models have the same level of detail like horizon fw, i think they are averagely high level.

 

[metareferential]

I love rocks

You're the "nice water" guy but for rocks <3

 

[SlimySnake]

i have only one problem with most of mgs delta models, they are too stylized, you can trick an old man thinking that this is a real picture of a woman

There is no fucking way you convince anyone those are real persons

They just look like very detailed videogame characters.

Who think the same?

yeah they are stylized on purpose to keep them true to the OG look. I think a brand new MGS game from these guys could aim for photorealism like TLOU2.

TLOU2, Callisto, DS2 and to a lesser extent SH2 are in another league altogether. HFW is in tier 2 because while the character models look great, they still dont animate as well.

The Intergallactic chick looks pretty realistic too. I hate the character model but there is no denying she looks very good.

Tier 1 - TLOU2, DS2, Callisto, Hellblade 2, Intergallactic and Marvel 1943.
Tier 2 - GTA6, HFW, Alan Wake 2, Silent Hill 2 (James and Laura)
Tier 3 - MGS3, Wukong, Expedition 33
Tier 4 - Indy, Plague's Tale Requiem, Mafia,
Teir 5 - Spiderman 2, AC Shadows

 

[GymWolf]

yeah they are stylized on purpose to keep them true to the OG look. I think a brand new MGS game from these guys could aim for photorealism like TLOU2.

TLOU2, Callisto, DS2 and to a lesser extent SH2 are in another league altogether. HFW is in tier 2 because while the character models look great, they still dont animate as well.

The Intergallactic chick looks pretty realistic too. I hate the character model but there is no denying she looks very good.

Tier 1 - TLOU2, DS2, Callisto, Hellblade 2, Intergallactic and Marvel 1943.
Tier 2 - GTA6, HFW, Alan Wake 2, Silent Hill 2 (James and Laura)
Tier 3 - MGS3, Wukong, Expedition 33
Tier 4 - Indy, Plague's Tale Requiem, Mafia,
Teir 5 - Spiderman 2, AC Shadows

Miracle, one of your list that i can get behind, althought i think fw is definitely tier 1 since we are not judgyind digital acting and hfw stilo has the best acting out of any open world game except ds2, and it's 3 years old crossgen with a larger cast than most of the game listed, combined.

Only In your dreams the chick from intergalagtic is more detailed than aloy

If guerrilla make a game like tlou2 with a small cast they are primed to surpass anyone potentially.

 

[SlimySnake]

Miracle, one of your list that i can get behind, althought i think fw is definitely tier 1 since we are not judgyind digital acting and hfw stilo has the best acting out of any open world game except ds2, and it's 3 years old crossgen with a larger cast than most of the game listed, combined.

Only In your dreams the chick from intergalagtic is more detailed than aloy

If guerrilla make a game like tlou2 with a small cast they are primed to surpass anyone potentially.

HFW to me is a bit too stylized. Like you said, TLOU2's photorealistic style gives it an edge over other games like MGS3.

Intergallactic bitch looks dumb, but the skin shaders and facial animations are peak ND. Plus they are using real life actors like DS2 now. I want to see Tony Dalton and Kumail Nanjyani's character models.

 

[GymWolf]

HFW to me is a bit too stylized. Like you said, TLOU2's photorealistic style gives it an edge over other games like MGS3.

Intergallactic bitch looks dumb, but the skin shaders and facial animations are peak ND. Plus they are using real life actors like DS2 now. I want to see Tony Dalton and Kumail Nanjyani's character models.

Skin detail wise, fw is superior to delta and they are not as stylized as delta.

The chick from callisto doesn't have better skin that aloy imo.

At least not in the picture i cand find of her in 2 min.

She looks more "realistic" than aloy because she is a famous actor while aloy is a woke aberration of a real actress, the uncanny valley effect kicks in...

We know that well done scans of real actors always have the edge because our brain is tricked by their real life presence.

 

[SlimySnake]

Skin detail wise, fw is superior to delta and they are not as stylized as delta.

The chick from callisto doesn't have better skin that aloy imo.

At least not in the picture i cand find of her in 2 min.

She looks more "realistic" than aloy because she is a famous actor while aloy is a woke aberration of a real actress, the uncanny valley effect kicks in...

We know that well done scans of real actors always have the edge because our brain is tricked by their real life presence.

yeah, she doesnt really that great tbh. Now these two on the other hand.

But fine. I will put Callisto in tier 2. But HFW stays there too. Next time they should target photorealism like DS2 and TLOU2 or stay in my tier 2 purgatory.

 

[GymWolf]

yeah, she doesnt really that great tbh. Now these two on the other hand.

But fine. I will put Callisto in tier 2. But HFW stays there too. Next time they should target photorealism like DS2 and TLOU2 or stay in my tier 2 purgatory.

No, you can keep callisto in tier 1, the protagonist is still the best male face ever, senua is for the females.

Honestly even having a discussion about old, crossgen horizon being in the discussion for tier 1 is enough.

The thing i like about horizon is that all faces are great, at worse they are like 5% less detailed than aloy, that shit goes a long way with me.

 

[SlimySnake]

Was going through my pics, and found these hilariously bad screenshots. I feel like we need to post these screenshots on a regular basis just to remind ourselves how bad things used to be, and appreciate the upgrade we have gotten this gen, despite it feeling like a lost gen.

 

[Superposition]

Callisto is one of the top class ones, a production we will hardly see the like of again. The director wanted ultra realism and motion in almost every scene, so he forced the devs to use high polygons, and as a result, they forgot to develop the rest of the game's mechanics lol.

I have a very valuable folder for this game.