Graphical Fidelity I Expect This Gen

they are not lazy, they are complacent, resting on their laurels
'resting on their laurels' is something that sucker punch's never done, even with their sequels. that they've now obviously chosen to do so after finding success with what's easily their most unimaginative game is, to me, just one more facet of what's gone wrong with the current 'state of play'...
 
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I said this in the other thread, but how can ALL of sony studios literally have nothing for e3? like are they even working? Do they not know e3 season was coming up? its not like they blew their load the last couple of years. they were MIA last year and the year before that outside of Spiderman 2.

Neil said at the VGA that he cant wait for us to show gameplay. That was 6 months ago. He also said the game was in dev since 2020. So in 4.5 years you cant show gameplay?

Cory has been working on a new IP since 2018. Thats 7 years and you miss yet another e3??

GG last released a game in 2022. its been almost 3 and a half years and you got nothing? not even a teaser? back in 2020, they at least showed up with a trailer 3 years after releasing horizon 1. wtf have they been doing since 2022?

housemarque also said to expect gameplay later in the year after showing a cg trailer. well, if not at e3 then when?

wolverine i can understand since they were making spiderman 2 till 2023 so they've only had a year and a half, but wtf have sony studios been doing?

i cant even be mad at herman and jimbo anymore. this is on studios who have taken their money and wasted it for the last five years.
that list is something I'd have safely put into "concern trolling" in every gen before this one. Can't believe that's actually reality now....
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better to be blurry and push nextgen fidelity
rather than be sharp and stuck with lastgen fidelity

you know we could've 4k 60 fps ps3 graphics with ps4
thankfully we had 1080p 30 fps last of us part 2 :D

it is blurry though. but not necessarily the problem with the actual internal resolution. it is rather the problem with the upscaling method being used. same internal resolution with PSSR or DLSS should look MUCH better. i wish ps5 and xbox series x were equipped with proper high quality upscalers from the start
its is ?? whats the point of nextgen fidelity if you cant see all the glory of it ??? its like watching japanese porn, the good part is blurred out
 
God that state ofplay was utterly awful from a tech standpoint... Again.
I always tell myself not to expect anything from those and yet I'm always let down in the end. This fucking generation is seriously the worst from a technological viewpoint yet.
We're 57-64% through and it feels like everyone's just given up.
Surprised to read stuff like this. Especially recently considering we've gotten reveals for GTA6, Mafia 4, and Witcher 4.

I'd agree that Japan and Sony studios have given up, but there are plenty of devs out there trying to push the bar. Not all devs have succeeded (ID software with all their fancy tech produced a mediocre looking game), but having just come off of playing AC Shadows, and seeing all the awesome trailers for gta, witcher, mafia and now james bond, I am more hopeful than ever. I mean the F1 devs just added path tracing and completely transformed the visuals. They've been slowly adding ray tracing features since 2021. Some devs still care about pushing technology.

If Gears, Forza Horizon 6 and Fable are at the MS showcase, we are going to see some truly stunning games. Who knows maybe Keighley's ad fest will have a stunner or two.
 
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Surprised to read stuff like this. Especially recently considering we've gotten reveals for GTA6, Mafia 4, and Witcher 4.

I'd agree that Japan and Sony studios have given up, but there are plenty of devs out there trying to push the bar. Not all devs have succeeded (ID software with all their fancy tech produced a mediocre looking game), but having just come off of playing AC Shadows, and seeing all the awesome trailers for gta, witcher, mafia and now james bond, I am more hopeful than ever. I mean the F1 devs just added path tracing and completely transformed the visuals. They've been slowly adding ray tracing features since 2021. Some devs still care about pushing technology.

If Gears, Forza Horizon 6 and Fable are at the MS showcase, we are going to see some truly stunning games. Who knows maybe Keighley's ad fest will have a stunner or two.
I think people are bummed because we keep expecting Sony to redeem itself and lead the pack
 
I think people are bummed because we keep expecting Sony to redeem itself and lead the pack
its been five years. its time to let it go. honestly i was going to make a big post about how they will not show up today but i didnt want to be a downer. it's been 5 years of either cross gen or them being completely MIA. thats almost an entire generation. At this point, shame on us.

i gave up on these fools a long time ago. if you look at the rest of the industry, it's full of devs who still care about graphics. there are only around 5 AAA sony studios left anyway. studios rise and fall all the time. it's time to admit their best years are behind them. it's time to treat them like nintendo.... completely irrelevant to modern technical discourse. i'd rather focus on devs who actually try and adapt new technologies, even if they fail like id software recently did.

let's look to china, south korea and new studios like Sandfall Interactive and amy henning's skydance studio. the callisto guys are done for good, but it was their very first game and it was jaw dropping. im sure other newer studios will turn up and fill in the gap left by ND, SSM, Sucker Punch, GG and Insomniac.
 
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This really is the best looking game ever at the moment. I know this is just a tech demo but the fact that it runs at 60fps on ps5 with hw lumen really does give me hope. Everything is just so geometrically dense and that soft lighting really does give it that cg look
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This really is the best looking game ever at the moment. I know this is just a tech demo but the fact that it runs at 60fps on ps5 with hw lumen really does give me hope. Everything is just so geometrically dense and that soft lighting really does give it that cg look
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Huh? GTA6 looks much better than this
 
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I no longer know what to expect when I come to this thread. In what world does 007 look good, let alone amazing? This shit looks like it's a good 5 years too late. They must have asked Ubi to do their facial animations. Nothing in the trailer they have shown screams 2026.
 
its been five years. its time to let it go. honestly i was going to make a big post about how they will not show up today but i didnt want to be a downer. it's been 5 years of either cross gen or them being completely MIA. thats almost an entire generation. At this point, shame on us.

i gave up on these fools a long time ago. if you look at the rest of the industry, it's full of devs who still care about graphics. there are only around 5 AAA sony studios left anyway. studios rise and fall all the time. it's time to admit their best years are behind them. it's time to treat them like nintendo.... completely irrelevant to modern technical discourse. i'd rather focus on devs who actually try and adapt new technologies, even if they fail like id software recently did.

let's look to china, south korea and new studios like Sandfall Interactive and amy henning's skydance studio. the callisto guys are done for good, but it was their very first game and it was jaw dropping. im sure other newer studios will turn up and fill in the gap left by ND, SSM, Sucker Punch, GG and Insomniac.
Something in me just can't give up on ND SSM or GG, I mean ND has not actually released a new game this gen, horizon is still one of the better looking games, SSM's only released ragnarok which was clearly a holdover from Ps4. We haven't seen a fully next gen (not cross gen) effort from any of them in any sort of depth

What upsets me the most is that Sony is more successful than ever. Instead of doubling down on what got them here they decide to just half ass an entire gen? Doesn't seem feasible
 
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I'm really excited for improvements in foliage tech. The foliage just drags down the overall visual fidelity and the next-gen feeling even in other wise very next-gen games. If studios can use Megapixel scans for foliage and then embed this voxel tech, it would be so so good. We'd get quality and performance.

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Huh? GTA6 looks much better than this
To me this demo looks much better, gta6 has amazing character models but this has an insane amount of detail density packed in every scene, not to mention hardware lumen GI and reflections (maybe?) virtual shadows and 60fps
 
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To me this demo looks much better, gta6 has amazing character models but this has an insane amount of detail density packed in every scene
Personally think for what GTA6 is doing it looks better - but you could make an argument either way. The cloth on her cape and all the materials and trees and the horse in the Witcher demo look insane.

If you told me either GTA6 or this were ps6 titles only I wouldn't doubt it at all. The fact that they're both running on ps5 means we've effectively been screwed the entire generation on graphics, these consoles apparently are far more capable than we were led to believe.
 
This really is the best looking game ever at the moment. I know this is just a tech demo but the fact that it runs at 60fps on ps5 with hw lumen really does give me hope. Everything is just so geometrically dense and that soft lighting really does give it that cg look
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The one thing that really stands out to me is the hair tech—it looks last gen on Ciri, and CDPR/Epic know it. In the tech demo, I don't think a single NPC has visible hair. It's all hidden under hats, helmets, shawls, etc.
I really hope they are working on improving that.
 
37 minutes in. Absolute garbage so far. Japanese focused show and Japan dont believe in visuals.

I think we need a warning before these state of plays. Let me know if its indie focused or japan focused so i can skip it.

You have to wonder just wtf sony studios are doing. Another year and no gameplay from ND, Insomniac, SSM, GG et all.
Why do you still watch this trash live instead of just watching the trailers on 4k the day after? :lollipop_grinning_sweat:

Have you learned nothing from the past 20 state of play events?
 
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The one thing that really stands out to me is the hair tech—it looks last gen on Ciri, and CDPR/Epic know it. In the tech demo, I don't think a single NPC has visible hair. It's all hidden under hats, helmets, shawls, etc.
I really hope they are working on improving that.
They should still have Nvidia hairworks tech (like in Witcher 3) but it might not be feasible on base PS5 for performance reasons. I'm sure we'll see something for hair on PC.

But yeah, be good if Unreal have something cooking for hair tech.
 
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and no, that's not a good thing

The absolute weakest part of all the Hitman games was the shooting and the abysmal animations.
here's hoping they have fixed them. but I am not holding my breath
Did they reallly picked this twink for a 007 role? Lmao
 
too early too judge , they always use pre-rendered in-engine cutscenes, so that's that
both gameplay and facial animations are still too stiff
the main character looks, unlikeable to me
but this could actually be interesting on the whole

P.S. watched it a second time and it looks last-gen , as bad as the Hitman trilogy
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I knew they wouldn't/couldn't upgrade their bloody Glacier
Yeah, no idea where he see the incredible graphic...

This is tekken 8 reveal all over again:lollipop_squinting:
 
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People have to realise one thing, Sony has no motivation to keep pushing their tech and industry standards forward anymore. They basically won the console war and now don't have to worry about users going to another platform (Xbox). This means they don't have to push first party hard anymore to convince anyone of anything and instead can focus on making games that bring them the most cash, i.e. multiplayer, gaas, etc. Expect more and more of their single player games to incorporate multiplayer as well.
 
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People have to realise one thing, Sony has no motivation to keep pushing their tech and industry standards forward anymore. They basically won the console war and now don't have to worry about users going to another platform (Xbox). This means they don't have to push first party hard anymore to convince anyone of anything and instead can focus on making games that bring them the most cash, i.e. multiplayer, gaas, etc. Expect more and more of their single player games to incorporate multiplayer as well.
I at least need one more generation if there's ever a chance they decide to slow down or stop. PS6 will iron out the RT/PT issues and scaling issues that PS5 and the Pro are facing.

Stopping right before that would be one of the biggest blue ball moments in gaming tech history.
 
James Bond looks amazing. Incredible graphics. Huge upgrade from Hitman. I love the lighitng and level of detail in each level. It's almost UE5 quality in terms of asset quality.

See Japan, this isnt that hard.
I agree with you on most of your takes, but bond looked very meh visually imo.
 
I at least need one more generation if there's ever a chance they decide to slow down or stop. PS6 will iron out the RT/PT issues and scaling issues that PS5 and the Pro are facing.

Stopping right before that would be one of the biggest blue ball moments in gaming tech history.
You're talking about console hardware and I'm talking about first party focus on games. It's pretty obvious Sony will release another console and improve on PS5, but having to worry about wowing gamers with games isn't their priority anymore since there's no competition in high end console market. Sony can just sit back and rake that 30% from third party and put out games that can make them the big bucks. Less risk, less innovation, less focus on spending crazy money on development is what I expect from them going forward. It's what we got this gen.
 
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I at least need one more generation if there's ever a chance they decide to slow down or stop. PS6 will iron out the RT/PT issues and scaling issues that PS5 and the Pro are facing.

Stopping right before that would be one of the biggest blue ball moments in gaming tech history.
Especially considering also that RT / PT is a free win for developers in a way. Improves the graphics quality significantly and the devs don't have to waste months baking lighting.
 
cutscenes are meh, but the gameplay looked phenomenal. Lighting is excellent during the gameplay shots, and the scope of the game is AAA we'd expect from Sony first party.


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Honestly, the cutscenes dont even impress me. I was like these character models are last gen, but then Bond showed up and they started cutting in combat sequences with great hero lighting everywhere. it's a huge upgrade from hitman 3. I also really like the driving sequences during which the cutscenes looked the best as well.

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You guys have to compare it to the 2020 Hitman game. It's on par with Mafia to me.
These gifs look decent, but I'm gonna have to see a lot more before I'm convinced, IO's stiff animation just throws me off too much. The car scenes in the trailer looked terrible especially.
 
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Honestly, i dont understand how a studio that spent five years researching and nailing the fantastic grass tech can bring absolutely nothing new this gen five years later. The work they put into cinematography was also evident in their gameplay trailers for the first game. Yet this time around, even the cinematography has taken a step back. At least kojima brought his A game with the cutscenes with incredible character models and great lighting, even if its exclusive to cutscenes. I dont even know wtf happened here.

I also find it hilarious that these guys had five years to prep an E3 demo and they still missed the deadline, now doing a random state of play in the middle of july. like did you not know that e3 is this time of the year every year?
This was just a state of play though, them and other first party will likely show up at a playstation showcase later this summer
 
This was just a state of play though, them and other first party will likely show up at a playstation showcase later this summer
There's no summer showcase lol, they're doing Ghost of Yotei state of play in a month and that's it for the summer. They don't have much to show at the moment, so expect them to slow drip the games at different events instead of showing a ton of stuff at one event.
 
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They should still have Nvidia hairworks tech (like in Witcher 3) but it might not be feasible on base PS5 for performance reasons. I'm sure we'll see something for hair on PC.

But yeah, be good if Unreal have something cooking for hair tech.
The bear in the demo reminded me of the hairworks demos, it does seem a shame they're pushing basically every other type of tech forward but are just using standard hair for people.
 
There's no summer showcase lol, they're doing Ghost of Yotei state of play in a month and that's it for the summer. They don't have much to show at the moment, so expect them to slow drip the games at different events instead of showing a ton of stuff at one event.
Surely there has to be, there's no way I can believe Sony's only summer event was a shortish event for mostly japanese 3rd party games. My money is on a proper 1st party showcase later this summer. Guess we'll see , maybe I'm just in denial over 1st party output this gen, maybe it's maybelline.
 
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The bear in the demo reminded me of the hairworks demos, it does seem a shame they're pushing basically every other type of tech forward but are just using standard hair for people.
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it was funny, even on 3070 hairworks on bear drops fps from 70 to 40 lol

from a funny perspective it's like the bear is a boss fight for GPU itself, when it enters the scene GPU buckles

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Surely there has to be, there's no way I can believe Sony's only summer event is a 40m event for mostly japanese 3rd party games.
No. I've stated this in another thread but Sony has been doing State of Plays like this for over 5 years now.

Everyone has to let go of this idea that State of Plays should be primarily first party games. Sony will explicity state 'this state of play is focused on _____ studios/games' if it involves mostly first party.

It won't change 5 years in 2030. It won't change 10 years in 2035. They are simply showcasing what's coming next on their platform from highly valued third party studios, partners, and standouts, with a slight sprinkle of a Sony Published game in there every time.

People are free to dislike it, but that's exactly what it's going to continue to be.
 
Surely there has to be, there's no way I can believe Sony's only summer event is a 40m event for mostly japanese 3rd party games. My money is on a proper 1st party showcase later this summer. Guess we'll see , maybe I'm just in denial over 1st party output this gen, maybe it's maybelline.
They already announced Ghost SoT next month so that rules out July. They don't do major events in August so that's out too. Nothing is happening in summer because they have little to show.

Just think. Sucker Punch is doing Ghost. Naughty Dog's new game is still early in development. Bend just atarted on new game after GAAS failure. Santa Monica's new game is still in early development. Wolverine probably needs more time before it can be revealed. Bluepoint was working on GAAS that was cancelled. Guerilla's is working on GAAS and their new single player is probably many moons away from being revealed. Housemarque's new game is probably the only one that can be shown right now.

They got nothing, not for a showcase at least, unless you're into GAAS maybe.
 
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mixed feelings about 007
doesn't look THAT great but big upgrade compared to hitman 3
probably dev target was 60 fps
it is similar to hitman 3, inferior to peak graphics possible, but still look good, but also perform incredibly well
it is just how they do things i guess
Its looking somewhat unrealistic/cartoonish/clay figures characters, not saying it looks bad, its for sure very heavy fidelity/next gen, i just would prefer more realistic look, speaking from artistic choice.
From dialogues/animations i am also getting that lighthearted jokes vibe we had in uncharted/early 007 movies, but thats actually big plus :)
 
No. I've stated this in another thread but Sony has been doing State of Plays like this for over 5 years now.

Everyone has to let go of this idea that State of Plays should be primarily first party games. Sony will explicity state 'this state of play is focused on _____ studios/games' if it involves mostly first party.

It won't change 5 years in 2030. It won't change 10 years in 2035. They are simply showcasing what's coming next on their platform from highly valued third party studios, partners, and standouts, with a slight sprinkle of a Sony Published game in there every time.

People are free to dislike it, but that's exactly what it's going to continue to be.
Yes, I know state of plays are this format, I'm saying I'm expecting a playstation showcase event which is where they show more 1st party focused productions.
 
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