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To be fair, that Stephen is also a book author
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To be fair, that Stephen is also a book author
Too soon....He was, although I'm note sure he sat his laptop and "typed away".
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Too soon....
Though i always did wonder how long it took him to craft a sentence. Im assuming every "live" interview with his was pre recorded statements but maybe he took a week to write them himself?
I think he did. I remember him doing a similar thing with that where he talked about the butterfly effect impact on changes they made, that he didnāt agree with those choices and had told them so.Wild that heās happy to air creative disputes like this but he kept quiet when D&D massacred his (and their) golden goose. Wonder if he was under a NDA for GoT?
I missed that to be fair. Fair enough then, good on him. Shame he couldnāt retain the final say on creative decisions, Iām fearing for S3&4 now.I think he did. I remember him doing a similar thing with that where he talked about the butterfly effect impact on changes they made, that he didnāt agree with those choices and had told them so.
Wild that heās happy to air creative disputes like this but he kept quiet when D&D massacred his (and their) golden goose. Wonder if he was under a NDA for GoT?
To be fair he is posting stuff that MUST happen if they want to stick anywhere near the source material. The probable "end" to this show was talked about on a scene from game of thrones.I watched a video on this as I didn't see it earlier.
They've COMPLETELY ruined this show LMAO.
GRRM went full Quincy Jones fuck it mode. When he posted about their S3 outline that is amazing.
I think he DETESTS condal thinking he can "rewrite" the material.
Dude posted spoilers about season 3Also itās been taken down, someoneās not happy.
Dude posted spoilers about season 3
Obviously HBO/MAX isnt happy, or anyone that works in the show
Lots of respect for him, tho. True bombs everywhere. I agree with every single line.
Burned his bridges with MAX/HBO hard with this
He spoiled nothing, it's all in a book already published.Dude posted spoilers about season 3
Obviously HBO/MAX isnt happy, or anyone that works in the show
Lots of respect for him, tho. True bombs everywhere. I agree with every single line.
Burned his bridges with MAX/HBO hard with this
The show is clearly changing stuff from the books, otherwise he woundnt have written this blog postHe spoiled nothing, it's all in a book already published.
If anything, he just gave Condal ground cover to change the events with a "well, grrm kinda told the audience" excuse.
But really, is ANYONE reading Grrms blog who hasn't read at least a complete synopsis of this event? Now if reporters "spoil" it, we'll, they could do that already.
The show is clearly changing stuff from the books, otherwise he woundnt have written this blog post
So telling people what is in fact going to show up in the series is a show spoiler
Also itās been taken down, someoneās not happy.
No matter how major a writer it is, no matter how great the book, there always seems to be someone on hand who thinks he can do better, eager to take the story and āimproveā on it. āThe book is the book, the film is the film,ā they will tell you, as if they were saying something profound. Then they make the story their own.
They never make it better, though. Nine hundred ninety-nine times out of a thousand, they make it worse.
I hate how these no good tv writers think they can rewrite his stuff. This guy has created legendary stories. DONT FUCKING REWRITE HIM. Listen to the mother fucker. he knows wtf hes doing.
I hated the Blood and Cheese scene. it didnt make much sense to me. same goes for several other scenes in the show. asked my friend to send me some screenshots of the book and i instantly liked the way George wrote it despite them being written like a history book.
I cant believe HBO would do this after making the same mistakes with Game of Thrones. Fuck HBO. Suck a dick. You have one of the greatest writers of all time at your disposal and you are letting hacks like Condal and D&D ruin his stories.
I hate how these no good tv writers think they can rewrite his stuff. This guy has created legendary stories. DONT FUCKING REWRITE HIM. Listen to the mother fucker. he knows wtf hes doing.
I hated the Blood and Cheese scene. it didnt make much sense to me. same goes for several other scenes in the show. asked my friend to send me some screenshots of the book and i instantly liked the way George wrote it despite them being written like a history book.
I cant believe HBO would do this after making the same mistakes with Game of Thrones. Fuck HBO. Suck a dick. You have one of the greatest writers of all time at your disposal and you are letting hacks like Condal and D&D ruin his stories.
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Beware the Butterflies
September 4, 2024
Back in July, I promised you some further thoughts about Blood and Cheeseā¦ and Maelor the Missingā¦ after my commentary on the first two episodes of HotD season 2, āA Son for a Sonā and āRhaenyra the Cruel.ā
Those were terrific episodes: well written, well directed, powerfully acted. A great way to kick off the new season. Fans and critics alike seemed to agree. There was only one aspect of the episodes that drew significant criticism: the handling of Blood and Cheese, and the death of Prince Jaehaerys. From the commentary I saw on line, opinion was split there. The readers of FIRE & BLOOD found the sequence underwhelming, a disappointment, watered down from what they were expecting. Viewers who had not read the book had no such problems. Most of them found the sequence a real gut-punch, tragic, horrifying, nightmarish, etc. Some reported being reduced to tears.
I found myself agreeing with both sides.
In my book, Aegon and Helaena have three children, not two. The twins, Jaehaerys and Jaehaera, are six years old. They have a younger brother, Maelor, who is two. When Blood and Cheese break in on Helaena and the kids, they tell her they are debt collectors come to exact revenge for the death of Prince Lucerys: a son for a son. As Helaena has two sons, however, they demand that she choose which one should die. She resists and offers her own life instead, but the killers insist it has to be a son. If she does not name one, they will kill all three of the children. To save the life of the twins, Helaena names Maelor. But Blood kills the older boy, Jaehaerys, instead, while Cheese tells little Maelor that his mother wanted him dead. (Whether the boy is old enough to understand that is not at all certain).
Thatās not how it happens on the show. There is no Maelor in HOUSE OF THE DRAGON, only the twins (both of whom look younger than six, but I am no sure judge of childrenās ages, so I canāt be sure how old they are supposed to be). Blood canāt seem to tell the twins apart, so Helaena is asked to reveal which one is the boy. (You would think a glance up his PJs would reveal that, without involving the mother). Instead of offering her own life to save the kids, Helaena offers them a necklace. Blood and Cheese are not tempted. Blood saws Prince Jaehaerysās head off. We are spared the sight of that; a sound effect suffices. (In the book, he lops the head off with a sword).
It is a bloody, brutal scene, no doubt. How not? An innocent child is being butchered in front of his mother.
I still believe the scene in the book is stronger. The readers have the right of that. The two killers are crueler in the book. I thought the actors who played the killers on the show were excellentā¦ but the characters are crueler, harder, and more frightening in FIRE & BLOOD. In the show, Blood is a gold cloak. In the book, he is a former gold cloak, stripped of his office for beating a woman to death. Book Blood is the sort of man who might think making a woman choose which of her sons should die is amusing, especially when they double down on the wanton cruelty by murdering the boy she tries to save. Book Cheese is worse too; he does not kick a dog, true, but he does not have a dog, and heās the one who tells Maelor that his mom wants him head. I would also suggest that Helaena shows more courage, more strength in the book, by offering her own own life to save her son. Offering a piece of jewelry is just not the same.
As I saw it, the āSophieās Choiceā aspect was the strongest part of the sequence, the darkest, the most visceral. I hated to lose that. And judging from the comments on line, most of the fans seemed to agree.
When Ryan Condal first told me what he meant to do, ages ago (back in 2022, might be) I argued against it, for all these reasons. I did not argue long, or with much heat, however. The change weakened the sequence, I felt, but only a bit. And Ryan had what seemed to be practical reasons for it; they did not want to deal with casting another child, especially a two-year old toddler. Kids that young will inevitably slow down production, and there would be budget implications. Budget was already an issue on HOUSE OF THE DRAGON, it made sense to save money wherever we could. Moreover, Ryan assured me that we were not losing Prince Maelor, simply postponing him. Queen Helaena could still give birth to him in season three, presumably after getting with child late in season two. That made sense to me, so I withdrew my objections and acquiesced to the change.
I still love the episode, and the Blood and Cheese sequence overall. Losing the āHelaenaās Choiceā beat did weaken the scene, but not to any great degree. Only the book readers would even notice its absence; viewers who had never read FIRE & BLOOD would still find the scenes heart-rending. Maelor did not actually DO anything in the scene, after all. How could he? He was only two years old.
There is another aspect to the removal of the young princeling, however.
Those of you who hate spoilers should STOP READING HERE. Spoilers will follow, at least for the readers among you. If you have never read FIRE & BLOOD, maybe it does not matter, because all I am going to āspoilā here are things that happen in the book that may NEVER happen on the series. Starting with Maelor himself.
Sometime between the initial decision to remove Maelor, a big change was made. The princeās birth was no longer just going to be pushed back to season 3. He was never going to be born at all. The younger son of Aegon and Helaena would never appear.
Most of you know about the Butterfly Effect, I assume.
Yes, there was a movie with that title a few years back. Itās a familiar concept in chaos theory as well. But most science fiction fans were first exposed to the idea in Ray Bradburyās classic time travel story, āA Sound of Thunder,ā wherein a time traveler from the present panics and crushes a butterfly while hunting a T-Rex. When he returns to his own time, he discovers that the world has changed in huge and frightening ways. One dead butterfly has rewritten history. The lesson being that change begets change, and even small and seemingly insignificant alterations to a timeline ā or a story ā can have a profound effect on all that follows.
Maelor is a two year old toddler in FIRE & BLOOD, but like our butterfly he has an impact on the story all out of proportion to his size. The readers among you may recall that when it appears that Rhaenyra and her blacks are about to capture Kingās Landing, Queen Alicent becomes concerned for the safety of Helaenaās remaining children, and takes steps to save them by smuggling them out of the city. The task is given is two knights of the Kingsguard. Ser Willis Fell is commanded to deliver Princess Jaehaera to the Baratheons at Stormās End, while Maelor is given over to Ser Rickard Thorne to be escorted across the Mander to the protection of the Hightower army on its way to Kingās Landing.
Willis Fell delivers Jaehaera safely to the Baratheons at Stormās End, but Ser Rickard fares less well. He and Maelor get as far as Bitterbridge, where he is revealed as a Kingsuard in a tavern called the Hogs Head. Once discovered, Ser Rickard fights bravely to protect his young charge and bring him to safety, but he does not even make it across the bridge before some crossbows bring him down, Prince Maelor is torn from his arms.. and then, sadly, ripped to pieces by the mob fighting over the boy and the huge reward that Rhaenyra has offered for his capture and return.
Will any of that appear on the show? Maybeā¦ but I donāt see how. The butterflies would seem to prohibit it. You could perhaps make Ser Rickardās ward be Jaehaera instead of Maelor, but Jaehaera canāt be killed, she has a huge role to play as Aegonās next heir. Could maybe make Maelor a newborn instead of a two year old, but that would scramble up the timeline, which is a bit of a mess already. I have no idea what Ryan has planned ā if indeed he has planned anything ā but given Maelorās absence from episode 2, the simplest way to proceed would be just to drop him entirely, lose the bit where Alicent tries to send the kids to safety, drop Rickard Thorne or send him with Willis Fell so Jaehaera has two guards.
From what I know, that seems to be what Ryan is doing here. Itās simplest, yes, and may make sense in terms of budgets and shooting schedules. But simpler is not better. The Bitterbridge scene has tension, suspense, action, bloodshed, a bit of heroism and a lot of tragedy. Rickard Thorne is a tertiary character at best, most viewers (as opposed to readers) will never know he is gone, since they never knew him at allā¦ but I rather liked giving him his brief moment of heroism, a taste of the courage and loyalty of the Kingsguard, regardless of whether they are black or green.
The butterflies are not done with us yet, however. In the book, when word of Prince Maelorās death and the grisly manner of his passing (pp. 505) reaches the Red Keep, that proves to be the thing that drives Queen Helaena to suicide. She could barely stand to look at Maelor, knowing that she chose him to die in the āSophieās Choiceā sceneā¦ and now he is dead in truth, her words having come true. The grief and guilt are too much for her to bear.
In Ryanās outline for season 3, Helaena still kills herselfā¦ for no particular reason. There is no fresh horror, no triggering event to overwhelm the fragile young queen.
And the final butterfly follows soon thereafter.
Queen Helaena, a sweet and gentle soul, is much beloved by the smallfolk of Kingās Landing. Rhaenyra was not, so when rumors began to arise that Helaena did not kill herself, but rather was murdered at Rhaenyraās command, the commons are quick to believe them. āThat night Kingās Landing rose in bloody riot,ā I wrote on p. 506 of FIRE & BLOOD. It is the beginning of the end for Rhaenyraās rule over the city, ultimately leading to the Storming of the Dragonpit and the rise of the Shepherdās mob that drives Rhaenyra to flee the city and return to Dragonstoneā¦ and her death.
Maelor by himself means little. He is a small child, does not have a line of dialogue, does nothing of consequence but dieā¦ but where and when and how, that does matter. Losing Maelor weakened the end of the Blood and Cheese sequence, but it also cost us the Bitterbridge scene with all its horror and heroism, it undercut the motivation for Helaenaās suicide, and that in turn sent thousands into the streets and alleys, screaming for justice for their āmurderedā queen. None of that is essential, I supposeā¦ but all of it does serve a purpose, it all helps to tie the story lines together, so one thing follows another in a logical and convincing manner.
What will we offer the fans instead, once weāve killed these butterflies? I have no idea. I do not recall that Ryan and I ever discussed this, back when he first told me they were pushing back on Aegonās second son. Maelor himself is not essentialā¦ but if losing him means we also lose Bitterbridge, Helaenaās suicide, and the riots, wellā¦ thatās a considerable loss.
And there are larger and more toxic butterflies to come, if HOUSE OF THE DRAGON goes ahead with some of the changes being contemplated for seasons 3 and 4ā¦
GRRM