Mike Works
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What the fuck do you care, you're just as bad if not worse than what you're claiming they are.CrimsonSkies said:
GT4 review at 1up
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shpankey
not an idiot
No online, no damage and pure shit A.I. are huge glaring faults, especially when one proclaims itself the "real" driving simulator (as if others aren't real). Poor A.I. really, REALLY stings when there is no online to overcome it. Nevertheless, faults aside, I have bought my copy which is due in tomorrow and am looking forward to it. Although not like some of the Sony fans in here who go a little overboard about it.
As far as Forza goes... no thanks. Not unless is has made some absolutely HUGE strides since that piece of shit demo from OXM.
As far as Forza goes... no thanks. Not unless is has made some absolutely HUGE strides since that piece of shit demo from OXM.
i'm really wanting to buy this, but i want a little handheld style wheel to play with. i don't have room for one of those big wheel rigs in my gaming space but i know a controller won't do the game justice. i like to lounge and chill while i play games, not sit up at a desk. thats why i quit playing pc games.
i wonder if those ps1 handheld driving wheels from interact will work with this? if they do i might order one used. i know they won't have force feedback and all that stuff, but i'm willing to sacrifice that for the space saved.
i wonder if those ps1 handheld driving wheels from interact will work with this? if they do i might order one used. i know they won't have force feedback and all that stuff, but i'm willing to sacrifice that for the space saved.
Guy LeDouche
Banned
like I said, "link to source?"isamu said:
I went through IGN's GT4 page and didn't see anything. I really don't believe anything I read on a forum without a news source. I really don't care about online racing anyway, but if its gone, I'd like to hear it from an official source.
Agent Icebeezy
Welcome beautful toddler, Madison Elizabeth, to the horde!
Play a Nascar game, damage adds a whole new dynamic to strategy. This isn't bumper cars. I've learned more about racing from the Nascar series than any other.
Krowley said:
That's a good question. I wonder if GT4 is compatible with the Jogcon.
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Gek54 said:
I know what you mean but I'm not sure that argument works for me. It's like when Eric Mylonas and the fine folks over at Gamefan railed on Mark Macdonald's review of Strider (PS1) where he complained about the unlimited continues. Asking players to exert the self-control to not play the game how it's obviously been designed is... well, counter-intuitive to the game system itself (and in GT4's case, destroys a certain suspension of disbelief).
Of course, user opponents' cars as cornering buffers is also very unrealistic. I wish GT4 had better AI and damage modeling. There's really no apology here.
I doubt GT was designed for you to bounce of cars in order to win. Here is a thought, if you hit a car to hard, how about punnishing yourself. Reset the race if you must or go sell your car and buy a new one. Hows that for reality?
Unlimited continues is the norm now. No one has the patients with playing a game from the very begining anymore and and now that we can save our progress people are going to reload their saves anyways so why make more frustrating than it should be?
Unlimited continues is the norm now. No one has the patients with playing a game from the very begining anymore and and now that we can save our progress people are going to reload their saves anyways so why make more frustrating than it should be?
IGN reviewed the driving force pro wheel
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Does anyone have this one or the old one? If I could find a setup where I could place the wheel and pedals securely I would probably get one since it supposedly enhaces the experience so much. Right now the couch just isn't practical for a steering wheel.
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Does anyone have this one or the old one? If I could find a setup where I could place the wheel and pedals securely I would probably get one since it supposedly enhaces the experience so much. Right now the couch just isn't practical for a steering wheel.
Agent Icebeezy
Welcome beautful toddler, Madison Elizabeth, to the horde!
Self control? I had that bit of 'morality' pop up during Halo 2 online. I hated using the sword, tried to fight 'noble' Fuck that, I'm out for blood now, I'll slice you in a heartbelt. Going back to nascar, you don't want to touch them at all. It's already bad that you have a shit car when you start, but when you damage Junior's car for your teammate to win the race, it's much more gratifing than just playing bumper cars. Just like Madden and the 20 yard drop steps of the QB. Like Double Dribble and the funky ass 3 point shot from the corner. If it is there, we will use it.
Kabuki Waq
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Gek54 said:
:lol :lol :lol :lol
Mike Works
Member
Wait, the cars bounce in to you, which in turn helps you? And this is considered good AI??GXAlan said:
shpankey
not an idiot
Nobody wants to run into another car or make a mistake. But that is the nature of anything. We are not perfect, accidents and mistakes happen. Also, when a driver willingly takes a chance at something new, a new line, or driving deeper into a corner etc., in order to try to be faster, only to wreck into another car (if not wreck outright), there needs to be punishment.
Arguing that someone should just be perfect is pretty rediculous. Bumping, banging, mistakes and wrecking are a very real part of racing. Even the real life experts do it with regularity. Saying a game's lack of damage model is ok because ever gamer should race perfectly is a pretty dumb argument. My main beef with it comes from the fact that the developers consider their game to apparently be the "real" simulator, then asks us to forgive such glaring faults of having absolutely no damage model, when ever other real simulation racer out there has had it for a long time.
P.S. Nascar Racing 2003 Season is the best and most "real" simulator out there period.
Arguing that someone should just be perfect is pretty rediculous. Bumping, banging, mistakes and wrecking are a very real part of racing. Even the real life experts do it with regularity. Saying a game's lack of damage model is ok because ever gamer should race perfectly is a pretty dumb argument. My main beef with it comes from the fact that the developers consider their game to apparently be the "real" simulator, then asks us to forgive such glaring faults of having absolutely no damage model, when ever other real simulation racer out there has had it for a long time.
P.S. Nascar Racing 2003 Season is the best and most "real" simulator out there period.
Community Forum
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isamu said:
This thread is full of shit. He talks about Lenny Kravitz in the opening video... this dude is a moron. He did not have a copy of the game. Too bad Mike Works can't be there to get some ban on! I vote Mike Works mod of all forums everywhere!
SolidSnakex
Member
Agent Icebeezy said:
There's a big difference to car manufacturers between those cars and cars that a normal person can walk into a car lot and buy. What manufacturers are scared of are their cars being exposed as being more destructable than others.
shoplifter
Member
SolidSnakex said:
OK then, PGR had car damage even if only cosmetic, though i see your point about being 'overly realistic' with the damage mapping.
rod furlong
Member
Guy LeDouche said:
I'm trying to think of a less credible source than isamu, but it's just not working out for me.
Gaming-Ryu
Member
I've been playing this game since the Japanese launch and here are some of my comments on (the JPN version of) the game:
The good:
- Better looking than GT3. Graphics look sharper, textures look cleaner, colors look richer.
- Tracks look wonderful and the real race courses are very accurately recreated.
- The new physics engine seems much more complex and accurate compared to GT3. Cars are much more fun to drive and their handling feels more real.
- There is finally a penalty system when you crash into a car or wall/barrier.
- Sound is improved. Engine sounds are better, but the major improvement are the sound effects of the wind noise when driving at high speed, and road noise when driving over different surfaces.
- Photo mode is actually pretty cool. Just check out some of the pictures in the official thread to see for yourself.
Minor problems:
- The game structure and progression are exactly the same as other GTs, which makes the game feels kind of old. Something new or a bit different in terms of progression wound make the game feel much fresher.
- The engine sounds, while improved, cound still be better. Some cars sound much better than before but some cars, like the Maclaren SLR, sound downright abysmal. I don't have a nice sound system so perhaps things wound improve with one. And I guess with 700+ cars, some inconsistencies are to be expected.
- The AI is better, but not much better.
More serious problems:
- No garage mode in 2P versus play.
- No save options for the 24h endurance race.
I can live with these problems since I don't really play versus and can use B-Spec mode for the endurance race, but I can imagine there are many who are, rightfully, expecting these options.
My personl beefs:
- The implementation of the A-Spec point system is botched
First of all, you have no idea how much point you are going to get until you actually enter a race or championship, which makes it really cumbersome if you are trying to earn more points or want an easier race. When this happens, you have to a) quit the race or championship, b) tune/de-tune the car or find a more suitable car, then c) re-entered the race or championship and hope everything works out for you.
Second of all, the system is supposed to be an indication of the difficulty of the race, but that's not always the case. Sometimes, you would get a pretty easy 150 pts race, while other times, you would get a pretty difficult 100 pts race. This wound be more tolerable had you at least know how many A-Spec points you are going to get, but, unfortunately, that's not the case.
- One other (related) complaint is that it is often a chore to find a race that is the right challenge. It usually is either too hard, if not impossible, or too easy. This is a problem in all the GTs and they tried to fix it, I think, with the A-Spec point system. It would have been a pretty good idea had the system been implemented better. As is now, if I want a challenging, winnable race against the CPU, I have to struggle to find it.
These problems don't happen all the time and can be worked around, but they are still distracting and annoying, and something that should be relatively easy to iron out before the release of the game. Hopefully, the US version is better.
Final comments:
With the new, more detailed physics engine and the beautifully and precisely modelled cars and tracks, this game, as someone mentioned earlier, makes a perfect hot-lap simulator. As a pure racer, the game is still a bit lacking. For that, the game would need better AI and better balance in terms of challenge.
With all that said, I still find the game immensely enjoyable, if flawed. If I have to give the game a score it will be something like an 8.5 or 9.0.
The good:
- Better looking than GT3. Graphics look sharper, textures look cleaner, colors look richer.
- Tracks look wonderful and the real race courses are very accurately recreated.
- The new physics engine seems much more complex and accurate compared to GT3. Cars are much more fun to drive and their handling feels more real.
- There is finally a penalty system when you crash into a car or wall/barrier.
- Sound is improved. Engine sounds are better, but the major improvement are the sound effects of the wind noise when driving at high speed, and road noise when driving over different surfaces.
- Photo mode is actually pretty cool. Just check out some of the pictures in the official thread to see for yourself.
Minor problems:
- The game structure and progression are exactly the same as other GTs, which makes the game feels kind of old. Something new or a bit different in terms of progression wound make the game feel much fresher.
- The engine sounds, while improved, cound still be better. Some cars sound much better than before but some cars, like the Maclaren SLR, sound downright abysmal. I don't have a nice sound system so perhaps things wound improve with one. And I guess with 700+ cars, some inconsistencies are to be expected.
- The AI is better, but not much better.
More serious problems:
- No garage mode in 2P versus play.
- No save options for the 24h endurance race.
I can live with these problems since I don't really play versus and can use B-Spec mode for the endurance race, but I can imagine there are many who are, rightfully, expecting these options.
My personl beefs:
- The implementation of the A-Spec point system is botched
First of all, you have no idea how much point you are going to get until you actually enter a race or championship, which makes it really cumbersome if you are trying to earn more points or want an easier race. When this happens, you have to a) quit the race or championship, b) tune/de-tune the car or find a more suitable car, then c) re-entered the race or championship and hope everything works out for you.
Second of all, the system is supposed to be an indication of the difficulty of the race, but that's not always the case. Sometimes, you would get a pretty easy 150 pts race, while other times, you would get a pretty difficult 100 pts race. This wound be more tolerable had you at least know how many A-Spec points you are going to get, but, unfortunately, that's not the case.
- One other (related) complaint is that it is often a chore to find a race that is the right challenge. It usually is either too hard, if not impossible, or too easy. This is a problem in all the GTs and they tried to fix it, I think, with the A-Spec point system. It would have been a pretty good idea had the system been implemented better. As is now, if I want a challenging, winnable race against the CPU, I have to struggle to find it.
These problems don't happen all the time and can be worked around, but they are still distracting and annoying, and something that should be relatively easy to iron out before the release of the game. Hopefully, the US version is better.
Final comments:
With the new, more detailed physics engine and the beautifully and precisely modelled cars and tracks, this game, as someone mentioned earlier, makes a perfect hot-lap simulator. As a pure racer, the game is still a bit lacking. For that, the game would need better AI and better balance in terms of challenge.
With all that said, I still find the game immensely enjoyable, if flawed. If I have to give the game a score it will be something like an 8.5 or 9.0.
Musashi Wins!
FLAWLESS VICTOLY!
Enough of the nonsense talk....How are the Las Vegas areas? Is that a full track or a drag area?
Rainbow L33T
Member
No save option for the 24h race?Hot damn,that's crazy.Hope you can select the B-spec mode when you don't want to race anymore.
I saw the TV commercials last night and while I didn't really get the Esprit vs. Stratos bit, I nearly shat when I saw the in-game footage. I was kind of ignoring this because of a bad three hours with the Corvette on the wet circle track in GT3, but if it looks even half that good in 1080i I will buy.