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GTA Trilogy dev alleges "Dick Move" on the part of Rockstar Games
ZehDon
Member
I think the real "Dick Move" is doing not one, but three of the worst remasters in the history of the industry, filled with lazy corner cutting and a clear lack of "give a fuck".
Also: their names were removed from the splash screen, but all of their appropriate credits still appear in full in the credits.
Also: their names were removed from the splash screen, but all of their appropriate credits still appear in full in the credits.
diffusionx
Gold Member
I agree with them, fact is, Rockstar approved the game and asked money for it.
As much as I think grove street fucked these up - I was super excited to play them and have still never purchased the remaster, rockstar has a reputation for quality control and should have pulled the release/delayed and stripped the credit before it ever came out. He's right that doing it 3 years after the fact is a weird move.
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Salty Pickle
Member
It’s because Rockstar are so slow it took them 3 years to notice.
Majormaxxx
Member
just removed from splash screen
Magic Carpet
Gold Member
I would have kept the name but added “Originally F’d up by”
Mr Hyde
Member
What the hell did he expect? Grove Street fucked up one of the most beloved trilogy of games of all time and he doesn't realize it will create bad blood between them and Rockstar? Or the fans? Rockstar scrubbing them from the splash screen is probably a blessing in disguise since now people will forget about his trash company so maybe, just maybe, they can work in the industry again.
Laptop1991
Member
For the poor shoddy work they did to these remasters i don't blame Rockstar, i've just started replaying San Andreas after 3 years and now it's mostly fixed and has the feel of the original, which is one of the best games ever for me, they butchered them and should STFU in my opinion, that wasn't work, what they did.
s_mirage
Member
Rockstar would have set the deadlines, Rockstar would have set the budget, Rockstar signed off on the final product, and Rockstar took money from customers. I don't see how the final result isn't on Rockstar.
Laptop1991
Member
They didn't do the work, i'm not defending Rockstar on your points, but why should Grove Street games get credit for their awful work
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s_mirage
Member
Because we don't know what conditions the development was performed under. For all we know it could have been underfunded with overly tight deadlines. Also, everyone seems to be ignoring the last part of what that tweet alleges: a lot of the fixes were done by Grove Street Games a long time ago but not rolled out by Rockstar.
Laptop1991
Member
yeah we don't know those things. so your saying it was all Rockstar and not Grove Street Games at all who when they were getting criticized just said go see Rockstar nothing to do with us, and your saying Rockstar didn't fix them at all then!.
Look i'm not praising Rockstar for everything they've done on the games, but your giving GSG a free pass on this and they did an awful job on them,, that's a fact, unlike Obsidian who did a brilliant job on Fallout in just 18 months
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Pandawan
Member
This is truly a "Dick Move" from Rockstar. The quality of GTA Trilogy DE is not Groove Street Games' fault, it is Roscktar's fault. Groove did the best they could under the circumstances. They did a lot of work, but they are a really small team (wiki says it is a team of 5 people) and they did a job that is suitable for a larger team. 5 people completely recreated old game on a new enging? Ofc it will have problems, it is too big of a project for 5 men.
The state of GTA Trilogy DE is only Rockstar Games' fault! They tried to save money on this project and hired a team that was too small.
It is embarassing to see them trying to blame Groove Street Games, who did more than they should have.
The state of GTA Trilogy DE is only Rockstar Games' fault! They tried to save money on this project and hired a team that was too small.
It is embarassing to see them trying to blame Groove Street Games, who did more than they should have.
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midnightAI
Member
They unfollowed them? That'll teach 'em
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Angry_Megalodon
Member
One of those cases in which both sides are wrong. Shame on Rockstar for giving the job to a bunch of postmodernist NPCs.
Blank Space Invader
Gold Member
panda-zebra
Member
This travesty was a whole bag full of dick moves on all sides, but mostly R*.
They knew exactly what they were asking for and the calibre of the team they tasked with the project as they'd worked with them before. Big, greedy dick move. A small team with 2 years to port 3 games to 6* platforms on a modern engine with a lack of original assets/design material because R* hadn't thought to archive them, thinking they'd be no use. (* 7 if you count the Series S - aka the little beast™ - as a separate entity with its own unique challenges). And don't forget that donkey dong of a dick move in pulling the existing versions from online stores before the collection launched, then having to half-arse a back-track of sorts.
R* dick-move-shipped the collection in the state it was in, didn't want to miss that opportunity to rake in quick cash over putting out a product that was even close to 100% on point, and happily took people's money - pure dick move - they offered the lion's share of dick moves in all this.
I imagine GSG did the best they could but took a massive hit to their reputation with gamers and, more importantly, the wider industry. It was probably something of a dick move to think they could even take that on with so few staff and a trusty AI up-scaler tool... can't imagine how tiresome touching up and testing out all those automatically scaled textures for month after month after month must have been for those employees tasked with it = improving stuff yet having to retain some level of archaic jank to keep the originals' look and feel. It was never going to end well.
They knew exactly what they were asking for and the calibre of the team they tasked with the project as they'd worked with them before. Big, greedy dick move. A small team with 2 years to port 3 games to 6* platforms on a modern engine with a lack of original assets/design material because R* hadn't thought to archive them, thinking they'd be no use. (* 7 if you count the Series S - aka the little beast™ - as a separate entity with its own unique challenges). And don't forget that donkey dong of a dick move in pulling the existing versions from online stores before the collection launched, then having to half-arse a back-track of sorts.
R* dick-move-shipped the collection in the state it was in, didn't want to miss that opportunity to rake in quick cash over putting out a product that was even close to 100% on point, and happily took people's money - pure dick move - they offered the lion's share of dick moves in all this.
I imagine GSG did the best they could but took a massive hit to their reputation with gamers and, more importantly, the wider industry. It was probably something of a dick move to think they could even take that on with so few staff and a trusty AI up-scaler tool... can't imagine how tiresome touching up and testing out all those automatically scaled textures for month after month after month must have been for those employees tasked with it = improving stuff yet having to retain some level of archaic jank to keep the originals' look and feel. It was never going to end well.
Lucifers Beard
Member
Releasing the trilogy in that state was a dick move. Both parties are to blame here but Grove Street games really fucked it up.
Buggy Loop
Member
R* gave a budget and deadline, but also have to be aware of what Grove street games are doing with their trilogy.
It’s a fuckup from all involved. They’re all dicks
It’s a fuckup from all involved. They’re all dicks
noob smokes
Member
Why did rstar even trust gsg to remaster this shit surely they couldve found a small internal team to remaster games that put them on the map
But it's rockstar who sold this shoddy work to you and you still kissing their ass, pathetic
darrylgorn
Member
Everyone involved in this hot mess looks like a shitty piece of hot garbage.
Laptop1991
Member
Read properly and shove your insults, i said i'm not defending Rockstar on what they did, i was calling out Grove Street Games on their work and subsequent attitude in which they have never taken accountability or apologized for their awful work, they flippantly directed complaints off to Rockstar with a nothing to do with us, and now want credit for the games finally being fixed, after not caring when they were doing the remasters, they are just as guilty as Rockstar, and the only pathetic thing here is your reading comprehension!.
The Lunch Legend
GAF's Nicest Lunch Thief and Nosiest Dildo Archeologist
It's taken these bastards three years to fix this sh*t. And there's probably more they need to polish up.
They're lucky to still have jobs in the industry.
They're lucky to still have jobs in the industry.
NeverYouMind
Member
yeah because the remaster looks amasing...
seriously. Even with this new patch, it's the ugliest game I've ever seen.
Completely done by AI.
Yeah it's fucking orange now... yeah that's 1 problem out of a million fixed
That's harsh. It looks really good in comparison to the original and the driving and shooting is better. I am having a blast replaying Vice City with these updates.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
the gameplay looks somewhat decent if you dont look too critical but it lost all soul. Really feels AI generated
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NeverYouMind
Member
I am not sure what you mean by soul but when I entered Las Venturas in the original I was disappointed by the haziness of the image quality and now in the remake I am mesmerized by the area.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
It looks like they've taken mona list and ai upscaled it but with 5 years old ai technology
NeverYouMind
Member
You know there are procedural upscaling algorithms that do not rely on AI right? The posterboard stylings of original assets are kept in the remaster. Only major difference is the lighting.
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