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Guardian: 'The FBI is Trumpland': anti-Clinton atmosphere spurred leaks, sources say

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B-Dubs

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'The FBI is Trumpland': anti-Clinton atmosphere spurred leaks, sources say

Deep antipathy to Hillary Clinton exists within the FBI, multiple bureau sources have told the Guardian, spurring a rapid series of leaks damaging to her campaign just days before the election.

Current and former FBI officials, none of whom were willing or cleared to speak on the record, have described a chaotic internal climate that resulted from outrage over director James Comey’s July decision not to recommend an indictment over Clinton’s maintenance of a private email server on which classified information transited.

“The FBI is Trumpland,” said one current agent.

This atmosphere raises major questions about how Comey and the bureau he is slated to run for the next seven years can work with Clinton should she win the White House.

The currently serving FBI agent said Clinton is “the antichrist personified to a large swath of FBI personnel,” and that “the reason why they’re leaking is they’re pro-Trump.”

The agent called the bureau “Trumplandia,” with some colleagues openly discussing voting for a GOP nominee who has garnered unprecedented condemnation from the party’s national security wing and who has pledged to jail Clinton if elected.

At the same time, other sources dispute the depth of support for Trump within the bureau, though they uniformly stated that Clinton is viewed highly unfavorably.

“There are lots of people who don’t think Trump is qualified, but also believe Clinton is corrupt. What you hear a lot is that it’s a bad choice, between an incompetent and a corrupt politician,” said a former FBI official.

Sources who disputed the depth of Trump’s internal support agreed that the FBI is now in parlous political territory. Justice department officials – another current target of FBI dissatisfaction – have said the bureau disregarded longstanding rules against perceived or actual electoral interference when Comey wrote to Congress to say it was reviewing newly discovered emails relating to Clinton’s personal server.

So, this puts the last few days of FBI leaks in a new light. It's a rather important development given that the FBI has wide ranging investigative and surveillance powers and are supposed to be non-partisan as a result.

There's far more than this in the article and it goes into much more detail, but this isn't something that should be happening. And frankly, it should be a little disturbing.
 
The fuck. How can people in that sort of job support Trump?

He's an authoritarian who supports expanding their powers to conduct clandestine operations at home and abroad. The FBI loves the idea of a police state, as they think they're doing the right thing and want more freedom to do it. The only real knock against him from that perspective is his ties to Putin and Russia.
 

Guevara

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The wacko conspiracy theory nut in me can't help but wonder:

Why do so many law-and-order types hate Clinton? What do they know that we don't? What did she get away with? And what is she getting away with even now?
 

shoplifter

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Or it could be because they've had a year-long investigation and are convinced of wrongdoing. Just a guess, but people such as FBI Agents take certain offenses very seriously and would probably not support someone that treats privileged information in a way they perceive to be flippant or reckless.

edit: not saying it can't be Trump's stated support for police, etc., and the increased amount of work for them, but I'd guess if many agents investigating are convinced of wrongdoing that would color their opinions pretty heavily.
 
The spirit of J. Edgar lives on.
Great. Now J Edgar Hoover will come and destroy the city.

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Not shocking a large swath of the FBI are both rooting for him while the other doesnt think highly of him.

Troubling, still. They should be completely blind, even if tainted by current investigations. Scary.
 
Or it could be because they've had a year-long investigation and are convinced of wrongdoing. Just a guess, but people such as FBI Agents take certain offenses very seriously and would probably not support someone that treats privileged information in a way they perceive to be flippant or reckless.

Right....so they support the most flippant and reckless candidate of all time, with business ties to a foreign power?

Right....
 

B-Dubs

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Or it could be because they've had a year-long investigation and are convinced of wrongdoing. Just a guess, but people such as FBI Agents take certain offenses very seriously and would probably not support someone that treats privileged information in a way they perceive to be flippant or reckless.

It's not so much that they're supporting Trump, it's the leaks in recent days designed to help him out.
 
The wacko conspiracy theory nut in me can't help but wonder:

Why do so many law-and-order types hate Clinton? What do they know that we don't? What did she get away with? And what is she getting away with even now?

Nothing substantial, because wouldn't they have leaked it anonymously by now if they had anything??
 

tuxfool

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Or it could be because they've had a year-long investigation and are convinced of wrongdoing. Just a guess, but people such as FBI Agents take certain offenses very seriously and would probably not support someone that treats privileged information in a way they perceive to be flippant or reckless.

It doesn't justify their actions here. Because of what these partisans are doing, what is to stop other from looking at this and doing the same.

You end up with chaos.
 

Briarios

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The wacko conspiracy theory nut in me can't help but wonder:

Why do so many law-and-order types hate Clinton? What do they know that we don't? What did she get away with? And what is she getting away with even now?

They know that have nothing on her, but they have a "feeling" about her -- so, they're working to make that feeling reality. It's the same as that research that indicates if you present a Trump supporter with facts, it actually reinforces their belief in the false data.
 

shoplifter

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^^^ There has been a year+ long investigation into the Clinton Foundation, based on unnamed sources. Fox News was reporting this yesterday. It's reported that DoJ has been blocking them from moving forward. There were also apparently a lot of agents that felt they had an open and shut case on the emails as well, but Comey or AG Lynch wouldn't move forward. It sounds like there was nearly a mutiny.


It's not so much that they're supporting Trump, it's the leaks in recent days designed to help him out.

Acknowledged and I won't dispute that. If the DoJ/FBI battle is on, and the FBI is so sure that an indictment is justified, I can see *why* they'd leak though, for better or worse. They'd feel that public opinion is the only way they can get DoJ to move forward.
 

TyrantII

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The fuck. How can people in that sort of job support Trump?

Black Lives Matter

No really. A lot are peeled off law enforcment elsewhere, and the framing the alt-right has done around BLM has stuck. A militization of the police and feds hasn't helped either.

The thin blue line is a thick blue wall, and they see it as you are on one side or the other.
 

tuxfool

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Acknowledged and I won't dispute that. If the DoJ/FBI battle is on, and the FBI is so sure that an indictment is justified, I can see *why* they'd leak though, for better or worse. They'd feel that public opinion is the only way they can get DoJ to move forward.

Then how about leaking credible information then? All their leaks have been nonsense and innuendo.
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
Acknowledged and I won't dispute that. If the DoJ/FBI battle is on, and the FBI is so sure that an indictment is justified, I can see *why* they'd leak though, for better or worse. They'd feel that public opinion is the only way they can get DoJ to move forward.

Except according to Comey himself, there's no justification for an indictment and pushing for one would have been treating her differently than they would anyone else. They were the ones given the ability to decide if Justice should go forward and they said no.

Even then, by trying to influence an election these people are literally breaking the law.
 

ced

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I'm sure Trump is super job security and even less oversight for FBI, NSA and CIA, no surprise there's meddling with the election process.
 
They know that Trump will let them do whatever they want without any repercussions.

It's probably not that. They'll do what they want without any repercussion anyway. The potential blowback for interfering with a dubious security project that then leads to loss of life is way greater than the blowback for them getting caught doing stuff like extremely dubious mass surveillance of the entire population and retroactive fishing trips. It's the same calculation that leads to those agencies wanting and using those abilities in the first place, everything about their job rewards paranoia and control freak tendencies.

They likely perceive Trump as easier to manage / or just generally more supportive in some way.

If they had something on Clinton that was actually genuinely problematic and it wasn't motivated sufficiently by public interest to make it public, they'd want her to win since it would give them material to ensure she went along with whatever they proposed. Huh, maybe in a bizzaro way that's the problem, they don't have anything left in the closet to use against Clinton if she does something they don't like, that would be mildly hilariou.
 
Of course they are. A Trump/Republican presidency would be one continuous wet dream for them with all the new powers and wars they would kick up.
 

avaya

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The "Hillary is corrupt" line, where does that come from? What are the receipts on that?

No receipts. 30 years smear campaign and pure ignorance.

I have an instant filter whenever I hear anyone start down the she's corrupt fairytale to identify that person as a total fuckstick when it comes to their political views.
 
I was just about to make a joke about "everyone ready for 1930s FBI again?" and I realized that the FBI has been doing shit since it began to exist.
 

Steel

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The "Hillary is corrupt" line, where does that come from? What are the receipts on that?

Something something pay-to-play Clinton foundation. People cite vague emails in wikileaks, but if there were some kind of grand conspiracy, given the amount of wikileaks emails put out, it would be damn clear already. We know 90% of what goes on in the backround with the Clintons at this point.
 

4Tran

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Looks like it's time for an old-fashioned purge. The one good thing to come from the Comey mess is that Clinton has plenty of ammunition to go and clean out the FBI.
 
^^^ There has been a year+ long investigation into the Clinton Foundation, based on unnamed sources. Fox News was reporting this yesterday. It's reported that DoJ has been blocking them from moving forward. There were also apparently a lot of agents that felt they had an open and shut case on the emails as well, but Comey or AG Lynch wouldn't move forward. It sounds like there was nearly a mutiny.




Acknowledged and I won't dispute that. If the DoJ/FBI battle is on, and the FBI is so sure that an indictment is justified, I can see *why* they'd leak though, for better or worse. They'd feel that public opinion is the only way they can get DoJ to move forward.
FBI works for Department of Justice. If DoJ says your shit sucks, stop whining.
 

shoplifter

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Then how about leaking credible information then? All their leaks have been nonsense and innuendo.

Their leaks are literally 'there is an investigation that has been going for a while and there is a lot of evidence'. Not much further than that. All of the human trafficking rumors haven't been reported by the MSM as far as I know.


Except according to Comey himself, there's no justification for an indictment and pushing for one would have been treating her differently than they would anyone else. They were the ones given the ability to decide if Justice should go forward and they said no.

Even then, by trying to influence an election these people are literally breaking the law.

I'm betting that (theory time here, obviously) writing the report with a different end goal in mind would make the report read differently with the same findings.
 
Looks like it's time for an old-fashioned purge. The one good thing to come from the Comey mess is that Clinton has plenty of ammunition to go and clean out the FBI.
Screw purge. Disband it. Move all the assets/intel and cases to CIA/NSA. FBI is filled with partisan idiots.
 
The wacko conspiracy theory nut in me can't help but wonder:

Why do so many law-and-order types hate Clinton? What do they know that we don't? What did she get away with? And what is she getting away with even now?

It's not "why do they hate Clinton?" It's "why do they love Trump?" And the most obvious answer is because they are assholes.
 
“the antichrist personified to a large swath of FBI personnel,”

No rational person should ever be able to think Hillary Rodham Clinton is the antichrist and the reasoning they probably do is pro-life and/or gun control bullshit.

Like what the hell is going on anymore?
 
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