How? The Mantle is supposedly a belief. "Having" the Mantle shouldn't make you more capable of anything.
Our differences lie in how we read the Bungie cannon regarding the Forerunner - Human link. Outside of that I agree with what you said. Ancient space humans makes no sense, there's a too heavy emphasis on Humanity being the good guys, time travel should stay away.
Leaving traces on the planet aside. The reseeding of planet/species solves this issue, as the newly born specimens won't contain the knowledge of its ancestors much like how a newly born baby doesn't know what his/her parents know.
The problem I have with this is that the Precursors were creators of entire galaxies. Even if they were defeated by the Forerunners because they were caught of guard and were arrogant enough to wave it off There should still be Precursors alive in other galaxies. Also Forerunners are unable to destroy Precursor technology without using Halos which were created a long time after the Forerunner-Precursor war,
I'm not arguing I think it's stupid to. I'm just going of memory so I may be wrong. (Haven't read any of the books for awhile)
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"Missing for thirty years, a legendary UNSC warship is discovered deep behind enemy lines.
As Infinity plans a rescue mission, however, Admiral Hoods past with the ships captain threatens to jeopardize the mission.
The investigation into the UNSC saboteur continues as the journalist infiltrates an Elite holy land in search of answers"
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Hmmm, I see... thanks.
They don't lose it, they pass it on. It's all about choosing who's suitable for the Mantle.
Sure is
They do lose it in a sense I guess. Precursors lost it to the Forerunners when they lost control/dominance of the galaxy. They aren't in control of the galaxy's inhabitants to look after and maintain them. I guess that is what it could mean.
Would love to hear something new about this ship too. Still wonder what species it belongs to and what happened to them.
You'll inevitably have to fight and magically beat one eventually in an upcoming Halo game.
Well yeah, but it was all because they were not chosen by the Precursors for the Mantle. They basically took it from them - self entitled deemed fit for the Mantle.
-- This is explained pretty well in the books, IMO.
-- Stinkles can expand upon this. But like "story bibles" for other properties, these are often less impressive than the fanbase convinces itself of.
The Grunts also speak in English in Halo 3. The explanation in Reach might be that they haven't learned much yet. In Halo 4... Uhhh...
-- The Remnant appeared to be pulling in Covenant forces from the fringe worlds that hadn't been directly involved in the crusade against the humans and were still intact after the civil war.
-- Note that it crashed only 3000 years after the Halos fired!
Oops you're right, I was looking at the halo.wikia entry. Which once again shows you should never use that one
I do wonder if we will ever find out what that ship on Installation 04 was, since it happened in 40,000 BC, it means it couldn't be Sangheili or San 'Shyuum, since they wouldn't leave their planets till 2100 BC.
Meaning in 40,000 BC there was an unknown Space fairing civilization that is no present in 2557, or at least to anyone's knowledge. The ships design sort of seem like Covenant (meaning the civilization may have also reversed engineered Forerunner technology), however is too old to be Covenant and is too different to be Forerunner (also Guilty Sparks couldn't translate the message coming from the ship.)
?I know, I know. Still I find it hard to believe that such an advanced race as the Precursors, who've most likely spread themselves across the universe* to be defeated by a much younger species. I'm stubborn, which doesn't exactly help, I want to believe in the Precursors. Also do know that the text you're quoting comes from the memory banks of 343GS after being retrieved by ONI in 255X (sorry don't remember the exact year). His databases are prone to be incomplete/damaged, it wouldn't surprise me if 343i used this to later on include the Precursors into the game/books again.
I used it in my posts because it was more like a post script rather than actually intended to be included in the rest of the post.I've got a feeling that this ship is just the start of a new story arc.
-- Maybe, but I doubt it. They don't seem to fit into the stories being told.
-- The Precursors appear to have only colonized one other galaxy. The war against them was thorough.
We're going to show off our Halo collection now
I know, I know. Still I find it hard to believe that such an advanced race as the Precursors, who've most likely spread themselves across the universe* to be defeated by a much younger species. I'm stubborn, which doesn't exactly help, I want to believe in the Precursors. Also do know that the text you're quoting comes from the memory banks of 343GS after being retrieved by ONI in 255X (sorry don't remember the exact year). His databases are prone to be incomplete/damaged, it wouldn't surprise me if 343i used this to later on include the Precursors into the game/books again.
*As Fuchsdh rightly questioned, "how many galaxies away might they be?".
**Also no need to use spoiler tags for that
I've got a feeling that this ship is just the start of a new story arc.
What are the limits for the character section? Should appear as a major character in the games? Other criteria? Halo has way too many characters to include into that section such as Kurt, Linda, Kelly, Fred, Naomi , Osman, the main characters in Wars, Reach, ODST, etc. etc. I do vote for Mendicant Bias, Black Box, Naomi and Serin Osman to be included.
Genemender is human, and in this point in the book he's sharing his information that he got form the Forerunners. And as we know the Forerunners firmly believe that they've destroyed the Precursors (not counting the Flood).
Note that he didn't said "You chased us across the middle distance to our last home". He simply says that they were chased out of the galaxy and were forced to retreat to another one. Nothing about this implies that the Precursors only colonized two galaxies. The fact that there are Forerunners and more Precursors artifacts found in Path Kethona showed us how clueless the Forerunners really were even near the end of their era.
If you'll remember the Iris ARG from before Halo 3, there were also some hints that Forerunners and Humans weren't 100% the same, but that they were similar, and that there was something mysterious about the link between them. I think it was implied that Humans were an offshoot of the Forerunners, something like the link between the Pak Protectors and the Humans in Larry Niven's Ringworld series. Humans were considered Forerunner, but the Forerunners just weren't exactly sure how they got to Earth in the first place.
Unfortunately, this got completely retconned afterwards, when Bear established the Forerunners had discovered humanity and their hyper-advanced ancient culture a long time before they encountered the Flood.
That was the way they did it game canon superseded novel cannon.
Damn...disappointing. I like the idea of humans as Forerunners much better than Forerunners being an alien species.
The worst of Reach's flaws is that Bungie threw away a truly exciting opportunity to give the best Halo novel a proper full game treatment.
-- Genemender is a Lifeworker, not human.
-- The Forerunners in Path Kethona were exiles. After their genocide it was clear even to the Warrior caste that they had to hide what they did even from themselves or the guilt of their transgression against the Mantle would destroy them. (One can theorize that it was this rigidity of thought that classed them as failures in the Precursors eyes in the first place.)
-- The ARGs have always been apocryphal, even when Bungie were hedging words in case they decided to adapt parts of them later.
-- Trying to explain all of Bungie's inconsistencies and contradictions isn't easy.
