Banjo-Kazooie
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While there is little excuse for the poor launch, I've got to trust that 343 has been putting in some serious overtime to make it right, which should be appreciated.
Frankie said the big issue didn't expose itself until out in the wild. If that's the case, you can argue a proper Beta would have possibly prevented or caught this issue, but a 2 week delay would have simply just delayed the inevitable issue that was lying dormant. Then you would have had a 4 week delay for all essential purposes.Why didn't the game just release like two weeks later with these issues fixed?
I'm worried they have done unfixable harm to the game's online population.
Frankie said the big issue didn't expose itself until out in the wild. If that's the case, you can argue a proper Beta would have possibly prevented or caught this issue, but a 2 week delay would have simply just delayed the inevitable issue that was lying dormant. Then you would have had a 4 week delay for all essential purposes.
Do we have an idea of what time exactly the patch will be released?
The untracked build bug still not fixed in Halo 4? I got that three times while going through the campaign.
While there is little excuse for the poor launch, I've got to trust that 343 has been putting in some serious overtime to make it right, which should be appreciated.
No. It shouldn't be appreciated, it should be expected. 343i isn't doing anyone any favors by making their game run the way it should have from the beginning.
Okay, whatever. Actual "worker bee" people are doing actual hard work to try and make this right for decisions (to push back or not, have a beta, ect) that was never their decision to make, as that is on upper management.
I can appreciate that.
No. It shouldn't be appreciated, it should be expected. 343i isn't doing anyone any favors by making their game run the way it should have from the beginning.
No. It shouldn't be appreciated, it should be expected. 343i isn't doing anyone any favors by making their game run the way it should have from the beginning.
It's like people think Stinkles is going to give them Defender of the Covenant merit badges for defending Halo. I would appreciate if they refunded $20 of the price to the users.
I don't think it's a good move to assume everyone can simply ask for a refund. Brick and mortar stores' return policies for software is very strict, normally only allowing for exchanging of the same title, if the package has been opened.You could have asked for a refund like many already did (and you still can I believe).
*Looks up the word "grateful" in the dictionary*You're not grateful that they are fixing it?
Are you kidding me, Vlaud?! Of all the words in the English language to use to describe 343's post-mortem actions, you think "grateful" is the emotion we should be feeling? I should be grateful I've spent $60 on one of the most broken games on launch ever (I think it ranks among BF)? I should be grateful that 343, who has forever said that they would treat the Halo brand with the utmost respect it deserves, just took a literal shit on the franchise?grateful
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Frankie said the big issue didn't expose itself until out in the wild. If that's the case, you can argue a proper Beta would have possibly prevented or caught this issue, but a 2 week delay would have simply just delayed the inevitable issue that was lying dormant. Then you would have had a 4 week delay for all essential purposes.
Why didn't the game just release like two weeks later with these issues fixed?
I'm worried they have done unfixable harm to the game's online population.
I would do so simply for the sake of being polite, and not endeavoring to sound completely spoiled/entitled. Through all this mess they've been pretty damn transparent and apologetic, which is certainly the exception to the rule. And hell, even if something is expected or deserved, it's not a stretch to say 'thanks.' That's not a measure of what you feel you deserve; its a measure of maturity.
Also yes, you can ask for a refund. I believe That has been stated several times now.![]()
If they knew the problems existed and released anyway id agree.Why didn't the game just release like two weeks later with these issues fixed?
In all fairness halo 4 has a great campaign. Although it's a little linear and the battles aren't as big or open to different approaches.Started up the Halo 4 campaign. By god Chief says more in the first level than the entire Halo CE campaign. And it look so fucking good in comparison to even H2A. Everything about it looks brilliant. Especially Cortana.If Cortana makes a return, I really hope she uses her Halo 4 design.
Say what you will about the MP, but 343 did manage to deliver the best campaign of the Halo saga. I can't wait to go back through it yet again.
Yes, it is. And they are doing that.I am a consumer. I take $60 of my wealth and I transfer it to Microsoft in exchange for a product. It is quid pro quo. If their product is not what it was stated to be, I am not spoiled if I expect it to be fixed. I am literally entitled to have it be fixed, entitlement is not a pejorative in this instance. It is their moral and legal duty to provide me with the product that was promised.
If Cortana makes a return, I really hope she uses her Halo 4 design.
If they knew the problems existed and released anyway id agree.
I would do so simply for the sake of being polite, and not endeavoring to sound completely spoiled/entitled. Through all this mess they've been pretty damn transparent and apologetic, which is certainly the exception to the rule. And hell, even if something is expected or deserved, it's not a stretch to say 'thanks.' That's not a measure of what you feel you deserve; its a measure of maturity.
Also yes, you can ask for a refund. I believe That has been stated several times now.![]()
Yes, it is. And they are doing that.
But that does not mean you can't appreciate the extra work and hours the programmers on the floor have been doing now to get everything fixed.
I am a consumer. I take $60 of my wealth and I transfer it to Microsoft in exchange for a product. It is quid pro quo. If their product is not what was expected to be, I am not spoiled if I expect it to be fixed. I am literally entitled to have it be fixed, entitlement is not a pejorative in this instance. It is their moral and legal duty to provide me with the product that was promised.
I don't see much transparency here either. In the MCC thread stinkles was MIA for long chunks of time while he was posting about random stuff in OT. And if you believe that NONE of these problems were known until millions of copies were out the door then I'd say you are pretty gullible. Server issues, sure. But crashing in single player and losing saves? There is no way they didn't know about that stuff in advance. Many of the problems are not server related.
But grateful?! Hell no. I was sold a broken product that I cannot return that I now have to wait to get fixed. That's nothing to be grateful for.
You're still venting? What exactly do you want any of us to say to you? You bring up completely unrelated things and then get upset because others don't exactly share your viewpoint. They are fixing the problems, they are giving priority to the bigger ones to fix.
As for the Stinkles comment. It's not his job to post answers to questions here or put out fires. Who gives a shit if he was posting in OT. He's been on GAF for almost ten years. He's allowed to post when and where he wants. Want an official response? Contact Microsoft Support, Xbox Live Support, or 343 community managers on Halo Waypoint. Frank posts here because of the very same reason we come and post here. We all have a shared love/hobby for gaming, and in this case, Halo. He'd probably leave GAF altogether with how many expect him to be on beck and call answering questions all the time.
Um, yes you can.
I don't know of any stores that won't take a defective product as a return. You may have to go one level beyond the average person at the counter, but they should do it.I am guessing he bought the disc.. opened it... and of course stuck with it unless he wants to trade it in for less value.
There is no fix for that. That can happen in any game that's P2P and doesn't migrates the host. The fix is dedicated servers, they have p2p as a fallback during these matchmaking issues. If this patch fixes everything then it everyone will get a dedicater server each time.
I don't know of any stores that won't take a defective product as a return. You may have to go one level beyond the average person at the counter, but they should do it.
Am I glad I don't get worked up about issues like this.I appreciate the doctors that brought them into this world, I appreciate Putin for not imprisoning the programmers who worked on this, I appreciate for the roads being paved so that 343 guys can get to work, I appreciate America's farmers for providing grain for the bread in 343's sandwiches at lunch time, I appreciate that 343 guys are going to their job to do their job that they are paid for.
But none of that has anything to do with my $60 relationship with the corporation they are employed by. None of that has anything to do with this and no one should be patting them on the back and cheering them on for fixing half their problems after 8 days.
Assuming the patch notes are accurate and all of that stuff is perfect after tonight, which I may doubt. Let's save the parade for tomorrow shall we?
In all fairness halo 4 has a great campaign. Although it's a little linear and the battles aren't as big or open to different approaches.
CE is still my favourite. Despite the bugs I had a blast playing through on Legendary this week. Getting through Halo 2 now and still loving it
Didn't say it was his job. I was specifically responding to someone who was saying that 343 had been exceptionally transparent and involved in the community. Just like the core of all my other posts has been in reference to the 343 fellators in this thread and not the worker bees at 343. But people here have a hard time understanding that.
I'm talking to the people here, in this thread. The people fellating 343 PR for making a tweet once every 2 days or one post in this topic. The people who are fellating 343 for providing a product on the 20th that they sold on the 11th. Well, half of it. Maybe. I'm not talking to Stinkles or any other 343 employee.
Blind fandom like that is what encourages companies (read: executives) to keep shitting out garbage and making a profit on it. Consumers shouldn't give them a pass on this.
Anyone who wants Halo 5 to launch to the standards of Halo 1, 2, 3, and 4 should be clearly and loudly demanding better than TMMC. Cutting any slack on these forums breeds complacency among the people who assign budgets and headcount to these projects and who set release dates. It takes a loud and clear negative response from consumers to move the needle for the people in those board rooms.
That's not true, there's multiple ways to address the "standby" exploit. In fact, the 1.5 patch for the original Halo 2 did a pretty good job of resolving it.
You can limit the maximum number of dropped packets to clients, track the number of times connectivity is lost and the length of time it's lost for, switch to the next best peer host after the first sustained connectivity loss, etc.
Matchmaking is dedicated, fallback to p2p when there are errors. Custom games and co-op is p2p as far as I know.Also what's up with the dedicated servers actually not covering everyone you can't advertise that you'll play on dedicated servers, but then you're actually on p2p?
I don't know of any stores that won't take a defective product as a return. You may have to go one level beyond the average person at the counter, but they should do it.
Defective product as per most stores is the physical condition of it (scratches, cracks etc). No gamestop/whatever in the world would consider game bugs as "defective". Thats not their problem.
Of course you could raise a stink and maybe if you make enough of a noise a store manager might accomodate you. But thats the exception, not the rule.