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[Panajev2001a]

As if they give a shit.
Second best selling game of the year

People mocked EA about bullshots, UE5 allowed for the best bullshots ever and the video recorded online tend not to show a lot of the issues… people are wowed, but then fucked over once they try the game.

Then again way too many people are loud about their thousands pounds HW and promise of "mods" fixing it and some pretende not to see any visual issue (or maybe standards are much lower for some reason).

Bethesda got away with this and I do not think we will see any remake or remaster of Oblivion for like another decade or something… I would have rather them not making this at all, very disappointing release . All the worst UE5 issues (temporal instability, disocclusion artefacts, noise and ghosting, etc…) and also memory leak major bugs… groan …

 

[Panajev2001a]

Unreal Engine 5 comes with a host of features to help developers cut development time, which in turn cuts development costs. That's why everyone's shifting to use it - and that also means you can farm out work to UE contractors, because the engine has reached a point where you can specialize in it, keeping costs down further. For example, it's virtualised geometry means you don't have to create LODs for large parts of the world, it's real-time lighting engine means you don't need bake lights, and it has several time-saving features like auto-LOD for models and kit-bashing.
Matching UE's feature set in an in-house engine means you now need to employ a full team of engine programmers working full time. If you're a publisher like EA, maintaining the Frostbite engine for all of your stuidos, that cost works out. If you're just a developer, it's harder and harder to justify that cost. There's only a few developers left who can keep up.

The real problem is these time-saving features are basically a generation too early, and optimising them for a specific game still requires immense technical know-how. And if the developers had that level of knowledge on staff, they wouldn't be leveraging a third party engine whose biggest selling point is huge time and cost savings on the basis of NOT hiring staff with that level of technical expertise. I suspect the next version of UE6 will focus on performance, mostly because UE5 has ruined an entire generation of games at this point. No one's going back to upgrade them to latter versions of the engine once it's foundational issues are fixed - they be stuck with stutter, performance, and pacing issues forever.

I think that bean counters and CTOs will latch on anything that looks like cost saving / not strictly necessary work that you could avoid doing and yes you make a really good point about outsourcing and cheaper labour. Plus people are wowed by the graphical shiny things and by the time they see problems the game has been bought already and the very first quick impression is not horrible.

I would debate that custom engine and tools in AAA modern production is a small fraction of overall cost especially for an established studio (UE5 does have a good content pipeline and tools for designers though, that I will admit).

I doubt UE6 will fix anything for the next generation and current generation of consoles. It will be easier to use for creatives and designers and it will have even shinier and expensive effects (and I/O will still be about the same it ever was) covered by another coat of temporal accumulation / "stochastic" sampling and accumulation. Let's see, but the outlook is not changing for me.

I have seen NO UE5 based game free from those artefacts that you see in most UE5 based games noise / ghosting and disocclusion artefacts and I am talking about even the Matrix demo.

Epic did find a visual artefact YouTube compression seems to hide in many cases unless the video really focuses on it but that you can see yourself easily when you pick up the game.

 

[Seomel]

I was waiting for patch to improve things on ps5/pro but looks like ill finish it as it is. Its genuienly insane they dropped patch for xbox that improved performance by 30% on release weekend, but they havent done shit for ps5/pc in last 3 months

 

[GymWolf]

It's a bethesda game, what did you expected?

 

[Denton]

I didn't have any issues with Expedition 33 or Avowed.

Exp33 is bunch of linear corridors separated by overworld map with zero NPC simulation or realtime streaming.
Avowed is a bit bigger but also has zero NPC simulation and is separated into four separate maps (and it still stutters on consoles and PC alike).

UE's problems manifest mostly in open worlds where streaming is necessary.

CDP's main work for the past few years have been fixing Epic's shit so that Witcher 4 can run smoothly.

 

[FoxMcChief]

Exp33 is bunch of linear corridors separated by overworld map with zero NPC simulation or realtime streaming.
Avowed is a bit bigger but also has zero NPC simulation and is separated into four separate maps.

UE's problems manifest mostly in open worlds where streaming is necessary.

That makes sense then.

At this point, I want less open world games and more curated paths. I used the knock games like Uncharted, but at this point in my life, I'd rather have 100% scripted campaign than an open world.

I think the exception being some like the latest DK on the Switch 2 where it's a mix of the two. I just think I'm done with the open world games that aren't Rockstar.

 

[Zuzu]

The technical problems probably go very deep and are unlikely to ever be properly fixed imo

 

[Walliwallipaloo]

When I see that a game's been "remastered," I just have this basic expectation that serious known issues present in the original release will have been addressed and corrected. Not just... literally ignored. Like, people were saying "oh, thank god they left in the line flubs," and I'm just sitting here laughing my ass off.

I was marginally interested in this, following it for what feels like a long, long time. A younger me would have dropped the full price on the very moment of release. The bitter, old, cynical me looks at this with nothing with disdain, and will not be buying this, or anything else released by Virtuos.

 

[adamsapple]

I was waiting for patch to improve things on ps5/pro but looks like ill finish it as it is. Its genuienly insane they dropped patch for xbox that improved performance by 30% on release weekend, but they havent done shit for ps5/pc in last 3 months

I feel for the PS5 bros but I guess I can't complain, cause my time with the game was pretty decent, thanks to that patch mostly.

 

[simpatico]

I wonder how far out from the player they're rendering high quality shadows…

 

[The_hunter]

I've already finished oblivion twice in the past, waiting a year before I pick this one up. Hopefully they fix it.

 

[NeverYouMind]

People mocked EA about bullshots, UE5 allowed for the best bullshots ever and the video recorded online tend not to show a lot of the issues… people are wowed, but then fucked over once they try the game.

Then again way too many people are loud about their thousands pounds HW and promise of "mods" fixing it and some pretende not to see any visual issue (or maybe standards are much lower for some reason).

Bethesda got away with this and I do not think we will see any remake or remaster of Oblivion for like another decade or something… I would have rather them not making this at all, very disappointing release . All the worst UE5 issues (temporal instability, disocclusion artefacts, noise and ghosting, etc…) and also memory leak major bugs… groan …

My purchase allowed me to experience the joys of Oblivion without being saddled by its dated gameplay and presentation. It was well worth the purchase price. Every single Elder Scrolls and Fallout release on console has had performance issues in addition to downgrades while PC releases have offered exceptional experiences. With some tweaking on PC Oblivion Remastered runs relatively smoothly and is the best game I have played from this studio. There is no substitute and even if there was it could not match the scale of this title.