Halo ODST has police sirens removed by 343i

Are people treating the police as the bad guys now? Good luck without them. No wonder the last 2 decades games have shifted from a police hero to drug dealers and other criminals as protagonists. RoboCop is dead for good.
Of course. BLM seems to believe police is a racist organization that is solely founded to torture and kill none-whites. Despite the fact that they have several black officers; probably brainwashed traitors. 🙄
In this radical woke mindset they see police as the force of a "racist oppressor", and therefore it must be removed, even with violence if need be.
 
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Explain why black people are over represented in sports... You might find your answer.

Won't you break it down for us, please I need to hear this.

lets be real here, how much of the 13% black population are even involved in game development in the first place? There are different cultures out there man and IN GENERAL whites/asians are GENERALLY more into "nerd" culture than blacks. Gaming, and especially game production is "nerd" territory.

culturally, blacks are more into athletics and thus dominate those fields. On top of being physically more prone to being top tier athletic as well. Its ok, people CAN be different. Dont force diversity just for diversity sakes and even having diversity teams at gaming companies in the first place is asinine

It's comments like this that reinforce the stereotypes about Neogaf - you're out of your depth though confidently proclaiming a bunch of garbage. What ain your opinion are the pros and cons of diversity teams? You sound like you stopped growing in middle school/ high school.


This is the fucked up shit I'm talking about there is still worse worse. Cops have plenty of problems, but they are blowing up issues that are not that bad or are questionable, and only if the dead is black and a shitty person that probably deserved it. They are blowing up the borderline issues because the intention is to be as divisive as possible

I appreciate that you're not even trying to pretend to care about the people that die by the hands of police - "criminals" deserve whatever happens to them, huh.

The problem is, police shouldn't have the
same perspective as you when they're on the job - that's one of the reasons we find ourselves here.
 
Of course. BLM seems to believe police is a racist organization that is solely founded to torture and kill none-whites. Despite the fact that they have several black officers; probably brainwashed traitors. 🙄
In this radical woke mindset they see police as the force of a "racist oppressor", and therefore it must be removed, even with violence if need be.

It's a shame, really. I know there are bad cops, but just like any agency, those are humans.
 
I appreciate that you're not even trying to pretend to care about the people that die by the hands of police - "criminals" deserve whatever happens to them, huh.

The problem is, police shouldn't have the
same perspective as you when they're on the job - that's one of the reasons we find ourselves here.

Nope, criminals who comply and get arrested, or people who are being unjustly arrested, should both fight it in court. The police should not kill people unnecessarily but they also must have absolute authority to make an arrest. That's how the justice system needs to work and it is the only way a civilized society can work. Once you are getting arrested, it's not optional. If someone thinks its ok to just ignore police attempting an arrest and just casually grab something from his car or attempt to leave then I don't care what happens to him. He should have faced the music like a man instead of getting himself killed in front of his kids.

Like a said before, there is a gold mine of cases were police killed someone in an unjest and fucked up way, and you choose to ignore that in favor of rioting about some idiots who made every mistake when getting arrested.
 
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Me and other black people don't give a fuck about BLM, the pandering to us, the painting the floors, putting high black lives matter posters up. All we ask is for us suburban black folks to stop having the police stop us or even shoot at us for whatever, we are not the LGBTQ. We don't need attention like that, it's not fun getting asked by the police where are you going, 2 times a month when I'm going to my damn house.
 
Honestly, this is non of my business, but put yourself in those policemen shoes facing criminals with military-grade arms and you'll realize that your chances of survival are thin. After showing how many policemen kill civilians (indeed, by mistake), should we show how many policemen get killed as well?

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Yes, it's lower than civilians, but some policemen panic due to that and might not aim right at one point because one guy/girl wanna see the action then post it on social media. I still wonder why policemen in the US aren't heavily armed both as body protection and in gears. I know, it's expensive, but you either do that or prohibit the sales of military grade weaponry to civilians and even hand guns, only to allow bolt action rifles and for a reason (hunter license). They are slow and too large to hide in the crowd.
Not an accurate picture. Cops in the states aren't facing heavily-armed guerillas or anything you will see in poorer countries. Those encounters are extremely rare. Outrage comes from people getting killed while already in handcuffs, or getting shot in the back, or even while unarmed. At least 2 people in the past year killed in their homes. This isn't like the cops in the south of Thailand, who get killed by separatists armed with AK47s, and stuff like that. Even facing down actual terror, cops in this country are polite and restrained. The only shenanigans they engage in are bribery and other forms of corruption. But I don't have to fear for my life, like back in the states.

Cops in America have a mix of extremely poor training, lack of accountability, and in many cases just plain racism. Policing communities you do not live in introduces an element of resentment that oftens boils over into violence. Black people distrust cops because of experience, not some innate disdain for authority. You don't disrespect your parents, because they love you, and care for you. A person in a badge bossing you around is just another of countless faceless such mopes that have done that to you most of your life.

I come from a country where everyone is black, and we grew up in the suburbs in the states. But I know from experience what black Americans go through when dealing with cops, because it doesn't matter what your station in life is, or which way your moral compass points. You have a higher probability of running into an asshole cop than you do any other person in any other job. No one says "fuck the firemen," because you aren't getting harassed by firemen, and they aren't killing people you know. When you have a routine traffic stop, and the cop tells you to get your license and registration, only for you to look back at a loaded gun pointed in your face, you'll know that something isn't right. I could have gotten killed for changing lanes without signalling, because a cop perceived me as a threat for simply following instructions.

I've had good interactions with cops before. I don't think anyone is pretending that there aren't good cops out there. However, there's a considerable portion of the cop population that are bad enough to have entire communities come away with a very negative impression of the whole. That's the problem. You're supposed to trust these people to protect you, but you honestly don't know which encounter with a police officer will end your life. I am not a criminal. I don't steal, deal, kill, or whatever "criminal" label is often applied to my fellow brethren who get killed. Yet, I have the same nasty opinion of cops in America. They suck, and I don't trust them not to end up ending my life early.

So that's why I'm in Thailand now. I don't mind getting shaken down for $15 once or twice a decade, because I didn't wear a helmet, or couldn't figure out that I was breaking a traffic rule. I'm safe here. I smile and greet local cops, and they smile and greet me back. I'm the fat farang with the mohawk. My motorcycle is super-loud, and probably breaks local ordinances, but they don't perceive me as a threat, so they don't fear me, and I never feel threatened. I know that if my life was in danger, I could count on them to actually come to my aid, not with guns drawn, but with an arm extended. I'll never get that in the US, so I hope I never have to go back there. Not being born in America meant I was always aware that there was a better situation out there. I knew I could escape the meat grinder in due time, and that's what I did. It was only a matter of finding a destination, and I did that a few years ago. The best decision of my life and for my life.
 
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Not an accurate picture. Outrage comes from people getting killed while already in handcuffs, or getting shot in the back, or even while unarmed. At least 2 people in the past year killed in their homes. This isn't like the cops in the south of Thailand, who get killed by separatists armed with AK47s, and stuff like that. Even facing down actual terror, cops in this country are polite and restrained. The only shenanigans they engage in are bribery and other forms of corruption. But I don't have to fear for my life, like back in the states.

Cops in America have a mix of extremely poor training, lack of accountability, and in many cases just plain racism. Policing communities you do not live in introduces an element of resentment that oftens boils over into violence. Black people distrust cops because of experience, not some innate disdain for authority. You don't disrespect your parents, because they love you, and care for you. A person in a badge bossing you around is just another of countless faceless such mopes that have done that to you most of your life.

So what you are talking about first, that stuff is not what people are getting outraged about. I've been pissed off about that for 20 years but most people don't care. People are outraged about drug overdose Floyd dying, Wendy's guy who died while trying to fight his way out of a DUI arrest, and now Mr. "I'm just gonna grab something from my car real quick before you arrest me". That is what sparks the outrage, they are using intentional grey area incidents to further polarize the BLM people against people who support having police, this is an attack on our country and culture, and it's not entirely organic.

Also, there's something like 700,000 police interactions in the US per day (from 2015) so to act like it's all cops is wrong. The media that has been blatantly dishonest against Trump now has a riot button by choose what they want to focus on and show people, and they're using it.
 
So what you are talking about first, that stuff is not what people are getting outraged about. I've been pissed off about that for 20 years but most people don't care. People are outraged about drug overdose Floyd dying, Wendy's guy who died while trying to fight his way out of a DUI arrest, and now Mr. "I'm just gonna grab something from my car real quick before you arrest me". That is what sparks the outrage, they are using intentional grey area incidents to further polarize the BLM people against people who support having police, this is an attack on our country and culture, and it's not entirely organic.

Also, there's something like 700,000 police interactions in the US per day (from 2015) so to act like it's all cops is wrong. The media that has been blatantly dishonest against Trump now has a riot button by choose what they want to focus on and show people, and they're using it.
If you think these singular incidents were catalysts for outrage, then you are sorely mistaken. Distrust and outright hatred for police is decades, if not centuries old. That a single incident finally resulted in protest just means that it was the straw that broke the camel's back. And I will not that's not the situation at all. Trayvon Martin was years ago. There's probably a new protest every month, and you can't write them all off as criminals, which is the same kind of excuse-making that has allowed the issue to be ignored for so long.

I gave you my personal experience, as a black man. Ten_Fold gave you his perspective as what I assume is a black man's perspective. If you want to quote me numbers and sample size, do yourself a favor and go out and speak to some black people. Just walk along the street and ask them honestly what their interactions with the police have been like. You can't pass this off as an exaggeration when, I say again, entire communities come away with similar opinions. Why are our experiences with police so disproportionately negative compared to someone like you? Try getting to the bottom of that riddle, without falling back on statistics that are largely irrelevant to the situation at hand.

I always like to provide a more relatable analogy in these instances, as I can understand it's hard for some to empathize with the minority experience in the US. I have 2 sisters. I have many female friends as well. Many women will say a blanket statement like, "men are creeps," and some men will clutch their satchels in disgust at the stereotype. These woman must not know what they're talking about? They're radical, or they're "feminazis." You can look at specific cases of rape where the woman was drunk and acting flirtatious. She was wearing revealing clothing. She went to the man's room and initiated contact. You can try to site specific cases in an attempt to diminish the claim that men are creeps, because it makes you feel bad to think that you'd be viewed as a creep. The truth is, I'm not a creep, but I've had some really awkward interactions with women when I was younger. And listening to stories from my sisters and female friends, I realize that even my awkward engagements can be viewed as creepy, when composited with what is a large number of incredibly gross and bizarre encounters that they have experienced in their lives. Sure, there are more normal interactions with men than gross ones, but they experience a disproportionately larger number of gross encounters with the opposite sex than men do. I never tried to discount or downplay their experiences, or try to cite some statistical anomalies to pretend that what they experienced wasn't real. I had empathy, and I know from my own awkward experiences how there's not a lot further a situation has to progress before it falls into the realm of creepy.

I find it more valuable to understand why the offended took offense, than to try convincing them that they shouldn't take offense. I can improve myself, and hopefully the rest of the community by looking inward to figure out how to not make someone else feel uncomfortable. Soul-searching never hurt anything but some personal pride. But you come out stronger on the other side.

So, to keep this lengthy response on topic, that is why measures like removing sirens might seem small to some, but might make a difference to others. A progressive workforce would do the cost-benefit analysis on this decision and say to themselves that no one will give a rip if you remove the sirens. It's not an integral part of the game. On the other hand, it might give the people who are truly affected by this sort of thing (as small a population as that might be) a better opinion of the company. It might also get some play in the media, and publicity is good. It's a net positive, so the decision is made. Marginal gains are worthwhile if they require minimal effort, like this. The people acting offended by this decision are just that, acting. Short attention spans will have them fawning over graphics or new gameplay features, as this issue isn't genuinely important to them. There's relatively little downside, save for the handful of truly principled gamers who will boycott the game, because this was a weird moral stance for them. But those gamers probably weren't as committed to the franchise anyway, so could have easily walked for other reasons.

We perform cost-benefit analysis like this all the time, when it comes time to remove features from our products. You can't please everyone, and there will always be that sub-group of users who will bitch and moan about everything. You can probably do without those users in many cases, because they're the ones that will shit up your name on social media, even when you do good by them. So it probably wasn't a tough call to make.
 
Look at the nameplates being compared here - if you don't have to deal with the toxicity I can understand being disappointed on "principal", but good for 343 for trying to be proactive despite failing spectacularly.

But you're reducing the argument down to single issue politics which is not what people are pointing out here.

"ACAB" is fucking stupid and is just the other extreme of saying "All BLM portesters were looting pieces of shit". If they want to remove political messaging/imagery out of principle then no one would have an issue. You're seeing content being removed on ideology though which is why people are pointing out the hypocrisy. If you can't grasp those simple concepts and differences then it's no wonder you get lost in the arguments and make them about acab. The news cycles about BLM were polarizing, as were the stories about looting, rioting, beating innoccent people up. All of it happened. But because you consider the cause to be virtuous you look away from the inconsistencies, or accept them. The ends justify the means is very dangerous territory when it is convenient.
 
Unreal that we live in a world that police are now considered offensive because of a few bad ones. I thought judging a whole group based on the actions of a few was wrong?
 
They removed a useless nameplate from the game that im willing to bet you had no idea existed and that is the catalyst for you being done with the Halo franchise? The amount of triggering this decision has brought forth is equal parts cringe and hilarious.
It's not about some nameplate. It's about the principle.
 
blacks make up 13% of the population (black males roughly 6.5 percent) and commit 52 percent of crime, 90 percent of blacks homicides are done by other blacks. and we're supposed to believe the cops are the problem?
 
blacks make up 13% of the population (black males roughly 6.5 percent) and commit 52 percent of crime, 90 percent of blacks homicides are done by other blacks. and we're supposed to believe the cops are the problem?
But according to every democrat politician, music star, athlete and community spokesmen like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, there's nothing wrong in their backyard.

It's all about Trump, bad cops, and systemic racism in every company, government, and corner of Earth keeping Black people down (and supposedly other minorities too, as all non-Whites are bucketed into a racial opposing force vs. 'ol Whitey)
 
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