Thank you for a literal answer but I was looking more for what you will first play.
H2A campaign while downloading the 20gb patch.
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H2A campaign while downloading the 20gb patch.
Deputy Moonman
Member
How does pre-loading the game work? I just buy the game digitally and then it auto-downloads, including the patch?
Ragnarok Flames
Banned
Thank you for a literal answer but I was looking more for what you will first play.
Halo 3 : slayer on Guardian
You're still pointing to a lack of raw knowledge being the issue, not one member of a relationship being dominant. Dominant at providing strategic data, perhaps, but not dominant in any sort of general sense.
Even though the narrative suggests that the Chief wouldn't have even been there if Cortana hadn't orchestrated the whole operation via that message in Floodgate?
At any rate, I'm surprised that you're pushing this line of argument, because putting the Chief in a more independent position prior to Halo 4 hurts Halo 4's narrative; it gives it less room for progression to a poignant separation.
Welfare
Member
Patch isn't out yet, but yeah. It just starts downloading the game right there.
I'm looking at you FUNKNOWN and Ryn
FUBAR McDangles
Member
I know this is not what you were aiming for, but when Disney bought the Star Wars IP they made every EU piece of work non-canon, meaning none of it counts. The only stuff that counts right now are the six movies, the Clone Wars CGI TV series, the now-running CGI Rebels series, and one book that is a prequel to the current show. A second book is coming out on Tuesday.
All the other stuff doesn't matter anymore.
Deputy Moonman
Member
Gamestop kept trying to get me to preorder the game and I was like no. I wanna preload and play immediately thank you very much. I'll have to do that this week. Thanks
Welfare
Member
You're welcome. Getting to play the game within the first hour of release is a lot better than the 3rd-4th hour. Only have it pre-ordered at Gamestop for the Bandanna Skull.
If your console is set as your Home console, and you just buy it off the store anywhere, it will start downloading automatically as well.
I went the digital route to get the pre-load as well. There are some hitches because of Microsoft's infrastructure, and my internet is shit, but it works pretty damn well. Better than installing 45gb and then downloading 20gb on launch day in my opinion.
Again, Master Chief spent most of Halo CE taking orders or advice from somebody, whether it was Keyes, Cortana or 343GS. He almost wiped the galaxy of life as a result. He is absolutely not dominant in any sense of that word and is definitely used to taking orders.
I never said he was fully independent. But there were definitely signs in Halo 3 that suggested he was not nearly the same person he was in Halo CE.
If the Chief was suddenly independent without any development in the previous games then it would come off as forced, and it didn't. Halo 4 was the natural progression of Chief/Cortana's story in that regard. And because the dialogue/voice acting was good it came off really well. That's what it really comes down to.
In order as soon as it unlocks:
1) Halo 2 Campaign
2) Halo 2 Anniversary MP match
3) Halo 3 MP match
And then from there I'll be all over the map. Shit, one week.
I'm not arguing that he's "dominant" or isn't used to taking orders, so I'm not sure what you're responding to.
Unless Halo 4 provided some reason for the Chief to stop being reliant on her. Like rampancy and a nuke. Then it wouldn't be forced; if executed well, it would be the natural progression of Halo 4's narrative.
If the Chief suddenly felt less reliant on Cortana just after she guides him to save the galaxy, while still being right there and apparently functioning correctly, that would be forced.
From where I'm standing, it feels like you're acknowledging that Halo 4 does a poor job progressing the characters over the course of the game, and trying to say "oh, but a lot of that development happened during the original trilogy," despite the original trilogy presenting a sequence of events that if anything should have strengthened not only the friendship, but also the characters' mutual respect for each others' abilities.
Captain Friendo
Neo Member
The most important thing to remember as to why Chief will struggle without Cortana is that she was literally inside his head for about four months of his (conscious) life, during the most important part of his career and more or less in humanity's history.
The connection they had was almost telepathic, and that can probably be very hard to wean off of.
The connection they had was almost telepathic, and that can probably be very hard to wean off of.
Well since you have acknowledged my point below so this line of reasoning ends here.
But not the natural progression of Halo's narrative...
No, what I am saying is that Halo 4 establishes and develops a plot point to its fullest extent. A plot point that had murmurs throughout the trilogy. But ultimately most of the development still took place in Halo 4. Acknowledging the fact that this plot point had its subtle beginnings in CE as a reference point is not a bad thing.
NobleGundam
Banned
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R4ydYRtyEc
some h2a campaign gameplay. commentary is awful, btw.
some h2a campaign gameplay. commentary is awful, btw.
No, but Halo 4 is hardly the natural progression of Halo's narrative anyway. The tone is dissonant with Bungie's works, and 343i's direction certainly doesn't seem to be plot-wise what Bungie had going. For instance, here's a 2011 post by a Bungie employee expressing surprise that human != Forerunner.
Side note: Some people have expressed the opinion that H==F is in conflict with Halo 3's terminals. This post is a fantastic response to that suggestion.
It's been stated by Bungie employees since before the dawn of time that they basically didn't plan ahead at all in the CE development days, it's been well-documented that Halo 2 had severe development issues that vastly changed the trilogy's narrative (i.e. the game was originally going to have a scene where Miranda strapped a nuke to the Chief and kicked him down a hole), and there's evidence (for instance, what I posted above) that 343i's development post-H3 isn't in line with Bungie's vision.
The point being, none of what you're suggesting was planned in the original material.
So AT BEST what you're putting forth is fan speculation that 343i has retroactively interpreted/canonized subtleties in the relationship between the Chief and Cortana in the original trilogy as setting up the character development they would have in Halo 4.
Speculation which, by my estimation, doesn't actually agree with the material in the trilogy, and furthermore actually runs against what Halo 4's narrative sets out to do.
But you're accusing me of refusing to acknowledge a "fact"?
Okay.
You are missing the point of my post. I am saying in regards to Chief-Cortana, which makes up a large portion of Halo 4's plot, it is certainly a progression based off the situation/ideas in CE. Nowhere did I say their vision or tone is similar.
It was an awful plot point to begin with and the idea is basically dead after the Forerunner Saga. It also popped up primarily in Halo 3, although a few references here and there were present. I'm glad it's dead.
See above.
Apparently analysis=speculation. You don't need to explicitly say something in a story for it to be considered to be a canonized subtlety. Again, it used CE as a reference point. Don't misunderstand what I am trying to say. CE never established this point intentionally, but in hindsight, you can see a progression of ideas. Note: speculation is using existing knowledge to make reasoned guesses as to why something happened or make a prediction. Analysis is an examination of existing material.
Ultimately the fact of the matter is that our interpretations of the Campaign are different. I'm not claiming any form of objective measure that Halo 4 is somehow good. But similarly nobody here can objectively claim that the Campaign is worse than Reach in terms of the lore only.
That is a seriously difficult question...
I'll probably spend about 10 minutes exploring the menus, then probably play Halo 2 campaign... Maybe.
Still trying to decide whether or not to start with CE or jump around.
No, but any half-reasonable speculation involves analysis. Using "speculation" to describe analysis carried out on disputed premises sits moderately comfortably in the definitional ranges of "speculation" in my English. I'm wasn't using the phrase to simply say "you're wrong" by itself.
I don't think I did, although I suppose what I wrote could potentially be read as implying that, given my discussion of Bungie's intent. What I'm doing is disputing that it uses CE as a reference point in the way you think it did, and it follows that I don't recognize your "fact" as fact.
Yes.
Certainly.
It's definitely too late for me to get into a discussion of the concept of "objectively better/worse" though.
Most people don't seem to get that you can only ever use such ideas (and only with rough meaning) when everyone in the discussion agrees fairly closely on what constitutes "better" or "worse" with regards to the sort of thing being discussed. A lot of the time, people take a couple of objective measures of something and then gauge the quality on a subjective "rubric," and then claim that it's "objectively of such-and-such quality."
...Nope nope nope gotta go to bed.
Captain Friendo
Neo Member
Marathoning all four campaigns on legendary in chronological order over one long ass day with a friend, and then two more once we reach halo 3.
orichalcos
Member
H2A campaign with a buddy and then Halo 3.
Not too long now, it helps that the wait has been going by really fast.
Straight into classic H2 multiplayer. I won't get to spend much time with the MCC until the weekend, so a few matches of H2 every night will probably be just about all I get a chance to play until I head into the H2A campaign Friday night.
I will say that speculatory posts about Halo tend to be about future events as opposed to character profiles
Same here. Good night!Yes.
Certainly.
It's definitely too late for me to get into a discussion of the concept of "objectively better/worse" though.
Most people don't seem to get that you can only ever use such ideas (and only with rough meaning) when everyone in the discussion agrees fairly closely on what constitutes "better" or "worse" with regards to the sort of thing being discussed. A lot of the time, people take a couple of objective measures of something and then gauge the quality on a subjective "rubric," and then claim that it's "objectively of such-and-such quality."
...Nope nope nope gotta go to bed.
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Digital Foundry: Halo MCC
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...ands-on-with-halo-the-master-chief-collection
oof, those framerates.
You're not gonna notice drops to like, 55 fps from 60 as we're seeing in 1 and 3. That's pretty standard for console games that claim 60. Halo 4 having issues surprises me.
Ein Bear
Member
oof, those framerates.
They sound like they all run pretty great to me. There are very, very few console games that literally run at a hard-locked 60fps 100% of the time, a small hiccup when stuff gets crazy is to be expected. Even Halo 4's performance, which is apparently the worst, is compared to The Last of Us Remastered, and that game ran great.
Don't say that anywhere near the Digital Foundry thread. You'll have people swearing up and down that they can notice a drop to 59 fps.
Seriously though, looks like on the whole Halo 2 and 3 are damn near perfect. Halo CE has the weird judder but that's an insolvable problem so we'll have to deal with it really. Hopefully they release some extra optimisations for 4.
My biggest take away from this though is that it's not a good sign for quality split screen. If they can't hit constant 60 in solo, how are they going to get close in split screen...
Edit: Apparently the MCC is "cheap and nasty", smh...
Der Flatulator
Member
Yeah personally I can't tell the difference unless I'm actively going out of my way to notice.
I'll take 1080p/55fps any day.
Deputy Moonman
Member
I know it's gonna sound pretty lame of me, but I honestly have little interest in the campaigns. The FPS, the drops, and whatever else are going to do very little to diminish my enjoyment of them. I'm definitely gonna go back through them, but I just want to get back into matchmaking again. Really eager to play CE and 2 on live and a little bit of :3
Yeah, well, most of the posts in Gaming regarding the MCC in the last few days appear to be from highly uninformed people making wild guesses. It has taken me some restraint not to go in there and correct them.
Man that gaming side thread so full of mad.
Halo 4 didn't exactly come out of the gate amazing... but I think its pretty fun now with the right settings.
I'll make sure not to say that in there though.
Edit: and from recent forays into Reach, and a while back into Halo 3; I'd rather play Halo 4 than either of those.
Halo 4 didn't exactly come out of the gate amazing... but I think its pretty fun now with the right settings.
I'll make sure not to say that in there though.
Edit: and from recent forays into Reach, and a while back into Halo 3; I'd rather play Halo 4 than either of those.
Scully Scully Scoo
Member
im not worried about the digital foundry thing unless there is a major drop. i seriously cant even tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps. and halo 4 well im not going to pay that anyway so dont care about it at all, just make sure the trilogy is solid
Legendary BR is so much better than Halo 3. If you added descope, took out sprint, added smaller symmetrical maps, and had Legendary settings as default...
Halo 3 hasn't aged well mechanically speaking. It wasn't that great in 2007 either.
Well, that modded gametype we've played before without sprint and BR starts IS pretty f'ing amazing.
You wouldn't even need to go that far, just have a gentleman's rule of no sprint.
Deputy Moonman
Member
Yep I felt the same way. Halo 2 was a drastic change from CE, but i was enjoying 2 quite a bit on xbox live. Halo 3 was just a massive change that I never really got comfortable with all the way till Reach.
A couple fewer frames per second isn't the issue, but the frequency of framerate variation. If the refresh flip flops like crazy it's noticeable in the form of a weird stuttering phenomenon. As long as the drops that happen in MCC hold and resolve smoothly rather than flutter it should be fine.
Bro! It's gonna be an adventure!!
This took me an embarrassing amount of time
WHY DOESN'T PAINT HAVE A LAYER FEATURE!?
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Well H2/H3 campaigns are the only ones I care about, so whoo
She looks like sylvester stallone's stunt double
LMAO
Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
Halo 4 BTB? Now there's a popular playlist.
The Henery
Member
Legendary BR is so much better than Halo 3. If you added descope, took out sprint, added smaller symmetrical maps, and had Legendary settings as default...
http://youtu.be/0VNFi1DLGHE