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[TheOhrenberger.]

Sarcasm? Its ADS for sure, he/she aims and then shoots[you can see the ammo count go down for extra proof] xp and medals,sprint is still in too of course.

No, no sarcasm. If you can still move at the same speed and if you can still hipfire with the same accuracy then it's no different than what we have now other than a visual difference. The only thing I'm really worried about right now is what this means for descoping, because flinch in Halo 4 was not ok.

 

[Deputy Moonman]

Someone in gaming side did a comparison of the BR zoom in Halo 2 with what we see in the clip. It actually could be a reasonable comparison. I just never thought about it. When you zoom in using ADS, everything slows down and player movement is impaired; however, I don't think that's what we're seeing in the clip to be honest. I overreacted.

No, no sarcasm. If you can still move at the same speed and if you can still hipfire with the same accuracy then it's no different than what we have now other than a visual difference. The only thing I'm really worried about right now is what this means for descoping, because flinch in Halo 4 was not ok.

This

 

[Bornstellar]

The assumption is that ADSing will provide the player with some benefit. The question becomes, what is the penalty for firing from the hip?

It is like when they took base traits away from Chief just so they could add them back in as perks. You are hurting the base game to add pointless fluff features.

Look at all those assumptions. Why does there have to be a hip fire penalty? Honestly, the reactions in here are shameful. I feel for 343.

 

[Syphon Filter]

Yall are creating a poop storm based on a load of probably incorrect assumptions. Stop.

How is it incorrect?

 

[Granadier]

Yall are creating a poop storm based on a load of probably incorrect assumptions. Stop.

Ha.

343 could cull the storm in an instant by simply saying "That was early build footage in testing. The final games does not have ADS, and it does not have sprinting." Crisis would be averted.

But that won't happen, because this is how it's going to be. The beta will provide feedback that 343 will ignore, then they will release Halo 5 with sprint and ADS, reap some sales, then watch their player base plummet.

On personal note, I would like to welcome the Halo 2 and Halo 3 players to the "I Loved Halo But It Doesn't Love Me" support group.

This Tuesday we have a special guest with a talk titled: "Why lying to myself about the developers caring hurts my real relationships."

Every Friday is group hug day, where we reminisce about Halo games with no sprint and fast kill times. We always end with a hug.

Any questions can be directed to the older Halo CE members, who have been in this support group for over 10 years.

Cookies and Coffee are provided, and crying is always okay.

Hold me.

 

[Fahzgoolin]

Go buy Sunset Overdrive and/or Forza Horizon 2. Have some fun and you'll feel better about owning an Xbox.

Sunset has so many technical issues it's sad.

 

[Diablohead]

343 just got all the fucking input they needed via 3 seconds of footage.

No need for a beta. Go back to the design and fix what you broke.





45 pages of feedback from a single thing added. Is that not enough feedback?

I'll only accept ADS in halo if it's just a fun modifier skull, but I doubt that's the case here.

 

[TriStateTryHard]

Look at all those assumptions. Why does there have to be a hip fire penalty?

Because what the fuck is the point of ADSing if it functions exactly the same as hip firing?

 

[Overdoziz]

It does look like Destiny's shooting actually. Making hip fire or aiming both legit.

I don't know if I like it though. We do have MCC for Halo 1/2/3 style gameplay and Halo does need to keep evolving, but I'm not sure this is the way to do it.

I want to see more though. I need to see a full match.

Ehm, have you actually played Destiny? Firing from the hip in is useless compared to aiming down sight unless you're shooting something in melee range.

 

[TheOhrenberger.]

Because what the fuck is the point of ADSing if it functions exactly the same as hip firing?

to zoom in.

 

[Poodlestrike]

Watching high level Halo 2 Anniversary can be a snoozefest.. I would be worried for future competitive Halo if people wanted Halo 5 to be like H2A.

It's funny because one of my friends who's also a diehard Halo fan, but doesn't interact on forums says how watching Halo can be boring. I found that interesting because although many of us love playing Halo, it's definitely not as entertaining to watch when it's just BR BR BR BR BR BR BR BR BR BR BR BR BR BR BR all day, especially when the BR is not really an interesting weapon and there isn't a spectator mode to give interesting perspectives on gameplay.

Oh, man. I thought it was just me. I'd love to see more of the sandbox get used, I think that yesterday I only saw 4 weapons get used: BR, Shotgun, Sniper, Sword. Rockets occasionally, but that's because of maps. Nothing else.

Okay, one guy used the sentinel beam that one time, but that's it.

Sunset has so many technical issues it's sad.

What? No, it doesn't. I've had all of one bug in 30 hours.

 

[Blueblur1]

Yall are creating a poop storm based on a load of probably incorrect assumptions. Stop.

Remember what happened last time.

 

[Syphon Filter]

No, no sarcasm. If you can still move at the same speed and if you can still hipfire with the same accuracy then it's no different than what we have now other than a visual difference. The only thing I'm really worried about right now is what this means for descoping, because flinch in Halo 4 was not ok.

The opponent can use ads and could have better accuracy,still an imbalance. It's in and there is no way to spin it.

 

[Bornstellar]

Because what the fuck is the point of ADSing if it functions exactly the same as hip firing?

Same reason you scoped in when playing Halo 1 2 3. You guys need to stop making gameplay assumptions from cosmetic changes.

 

[Random17]

On closer examination of that GIF; is the BR burst fire when un-ADS'd and full auto when ADS'd?

 

[Deputy Moonman]

The opponent can use ads and could have better accuracy,still an imbalance. It's in and there is no way to spin it.

How is that clip any different from using a scoped BR or Pistol in the previous halo games? I mean look! I realized that the first thing that triggered the connection to ADS was how similar the scoped view looks to CoD. It's like a perfect match. But the similarities end there.

The drawbacks of ADS are reduced hip fire accuracy and slower movement. If the difference between these:

is simply cosmetic, then it's all fine and dandy. I suppose we'll find out tomorrow.

 

[Mayyhem]

Okay so now that this mega-bomb has been dropped about H5 I need to see the reveal live tomorrow.

When does it air?

 

[Obscured]

Hard to tell, but that screen doesn't look like the view through a visor. I'm more disappointed by that.

I'm fine with it if movement isn't slowed down (I think people should let others know what their problem is with ADS instead of just stating that ADS is terrible, especially when a lot still don't seem to know what it stands for. I don't hate it, but am not a fan of the detriment to movement, the disabling of accurate hip-fire and aggressive auto-aim that typically is coupled with it).

One thing that I've never really understood is the argument that it is closer to shooting a real gun with ADS. If you are looking into a scope, sure. But if you just take a gun with standard sights, the world doesn't zoom in slightly for you when you aim (I get what they are going for, but realism is not really part of it).

What I'd like to see is the return to the view appearing even more like you are looking through a visor. I find that more immersive.

I feel indifferent about sprint, but would like additional movement options. If I can fire during those movement options, even better.

Seems to me like they are trying to cater to a wide swath of people. There is MCC to pull in a lot of the legacy players which gives them some freedom to keep pushing on 5 in the way that they want, and eventually 6.

Having the beta so early with 5 will be interesting. I wonder if there could be enough of a push back to make them reconsider, although arguments about why it isn't needed or how it affects gameplay negatively seem more useful than just 'it's not halo'.

 

[TheOhrenberger.]

The opponent can use ads and could have better accuracy,still an imbalance. It's in and there is no way to spin it.

.... it's just zooming in bro. You know, like what we already have in Halo. I don't think you're following what I'm saying at all.

Look. I could be totally wrong. This could be full blown ADS. But that .gif doesn't make it look like that's the case right now.

 

[Juan]

I really hope 343 Industries will fix that in a few days, happens all the time :

 

[Syphon Filter]

Same reason you scoped in when playing Halo 1 2 3. You guys need to stop making gameplay assumptions from cosmetic changes.

In those you couldn't shoot when zoomed in,...

 

[Tawpgun]

I keep thinking it's not real.

Then I look on the Internet and it's real.

If that vidoc has 343 execs calling the decision anything along the lines of modernizing or immersion....

Rip in peace Tashi and domino and the pro team that have to sit back and watch it all happen and try and defend decisions they don't like. Or that I assume they don't like....

 

[TriStateTryHard]

Same reason you scoped in when playing Halo 1 2 3. You guys need to stop making gameplay assumptions from cosmetic changes.

So you think ADSing will increase red reticle range?

 

[Ragnarok Flames]

On personal note, I would like to welcome the Halo 2 and Halo 3 players to the "I Loved Halo But It Doesn't Love Me" support group.

This Tuesday we have a special guest with a talk titled: "Why lying to myself about the developers caring hurts my real relationships."

Every Friday is group hug day, where we reminisce about Halo games with no sprint and fast kill times. We always end with a hug.

Any questions can be directed to the older Halo CE members, who have been in this support group for over 10 years.

Cookies and Coffee are provided, and crying is always okay.

Hi, Im ragnarok and Halo doesnt love me anymore

Remember what happened last time.

Halo 4 happened and put the series on life support.

 

[FatMarshall]

Oh god. I just got on my PC and saw that leaked footage on Reddit.

I think I'm having a heart attack. This can't be happening.

 

[VinFTW]

Sunset has so many technical issues it's sad.

Lol no.

Not at all. It's a gorgeous game. I've experienced zero bugs in my 30+ hours with it.

It's also my GOTY. Now that Halo is dead, it really is my GOTY.

 

[Syphon Filter]

How is that clip any different from using a scoped BR or Pistol in the previous halo games? I mean look! I realized that the first thing that triggered the connection to ADS was how similar the scoped view looks to CoD. It's like a perfect match. But the similarities end there.

Not every gun had a zoom. AR confirmed to have ads along with others, you can be that naive...

 

[Deputy Moonman]

In those you couldn't shoot when zoomed in,...

You could always shoot while scoped in using the BR, Sniper Rifle, Pistol, DMR, whatever. Halo 1 had it. Halo 2 had it. Halo 3 has it. It's nothing new.

 

[FUNKNOWN iXi]

I keep thinking it's not real.

Then I look on the Internet and it's real.

If that vidoc has 343 execs calling the decision anything along the lines of modernizing or immersion....

Rip in peace Tashi and domino and the pro team that have to sit back and watch it all happen and try and defend decisions they don't like. Or that I assume they don't like....

Tashi likes motion tracker now, didn't you hear?

All hope is lost.

 

[Computer]

Someone said this footage came from the Halo Channel. They said anyone with the MCC should be able to get better footage.

 

[Madness]

No point...

 

[Poodlestrike]

In those you couldn't shoot when zoomed in,...

What? Yes, you could. Anything with a scope let you shoot while zoomed in.

How have you been using the Sniper all these years?

 

[GringoSuave89]

Not every gun had a zoom. AR confirmed to have ads along with others, you can be that naive...

Confirmed by one guy, with no visuals to support that claim.

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[Deadly Cyclone]

Ehm, have you actually played Destiny? Firing from the hip in is useless compared to aiming down sight unless you're shooting something in melee range.

It works still, not as well I'll give you. The Halo 5 clip I saw the regular BR reticle though when he wasn't aimed, so I feel like they just said screw it and added ADS and kept the regular aiming too.

I'm not sure it'll work, or that I want it, but I need to see more.

 

[jem0208]

Someone in gaming side did a comparison of the BR zoom in Halo 2 with what we see in the clip. It actually could be a reasonable comparison. I just never thought about it. When you zoom in using ADS, everything slows down and player movement is impaired; however, I don't think that's what we're seeing in the clip to be honest. I overreacted.

This

Can we have a link to the comparison?




I have to admit though, the red dot site looks really cool from an aesthetic point of view.

 

[Deputy Moonman]

Not every gun had a zoom. AR confirmed to have ads along with others, you can be that naive...

Nothing is confirmed. It's still just a paraphrase from what one guy said, which still isnt exactly detailed confirmation. Is it not possible that the guy leaking the info doesn't understand the difference between ADS and shooting stuff while scoped in all the Halo games? Perhaps all the weapons have a zoom ability, but that doesn't exactly line up with ADS in all weapons.

 

[BigShow36]

Hi, Im ragnarok and Halo doesnt love me anymore
.

 

[Kibbles]

Where he fuck is that ADS gif from. I knew it, ugh

 

[IXIKelsonIXI]

This thread is so vastly entertaining. Three seconds is all it took for the shit storm to start. 343 has their hands full.

 

[Granadier]

Same reason you scoped in when playing Halo 1 2 3. You guys need to stop making gameplay assumptions from cosmetic changes.

Cosmetic or gameplay, it makes no sense to even go that route of physically putting the gun in front of your face.

- Spartans have a link to their weapons on their HUD.
- It blocks a portion of the viewport that was clearly visible in the old style. This gives you a blindspot.

There's literally zero advantages to changing it. unless you're attempting to get some COD fanboy to wet his pants because he can 360 no scope you while fucking your mom.

 

[Ragnarok Flames]

Confirmed by one guy, with no visuals to support that claim.

showmethereceipts.gif

Shinobi is a long time "confirmed by Bish" poster.

 

[Syphon Filter]

You could always shoot while scoped in using the BR, Sniper Rifle, Pistol, DMR, whatever. Halo 1 had it. Halo 2 had it. Halo 3 has it. It's nothing new.

br and sniper made sense. pistol was in CE only. The rest did not have it at all. It's also a different zoom than the COD version.

 

[TriStateTryHard]

Even the red dot sight isn't happy about this. Look at the sad little frownie face it has.

 

[VinFTW]

http://i.gyazo.com/e9970afb3a92c9c2b569d7ee6bd99619.mp4

http://i.gyazo.com/e7ce27c201aedbcecb81ad231095d9b0.mp4

http://i.gyazo.com/3455a623dcc40a8d4618ab89391362a6.mp4

 

[Orochinagis]

So we all know ADS is shit through and through for gameplay, but whatever happened to Spartans' armor connecting to the weaponry, negating the need for ADS since you're armor's helmet is providing the scope instead of limiting the Spartan to the physical scope needing to be near the face?

Not only ADS, but *another* retcon?

Why spartans are wearing HUDs anymore

They know what their fanbase wants, the problem is that they want a different fanbase.

Sad but true but its not like some still some people want to play classic Halo and nothing more still is not an excuse for this change.

 

[maxone23]

Said, I been wonder what if any halo fans will boo when they release a halo 5 beta like ADS & sprint at Halo fest tomorrow

Spoiler

Because I secretly hope they fucking will!

 

[TheOhrenberger.]

Cosmetic or gameplay, it makes no sense to even go that route of physically putting the gun in front of your face.

- Spartans have a link to their weapons on their HUD.
- It blocks a portion of the viewport that was clearly visible in the old style. This gives you a blindspot.

There's literally zero advantages to changing it.

I don't think anyone disagrees with this.

 

[Syphon Filter]

What? Yes, you could. Anything with a scope let you shoot while zoomed in.

How have you been using the Sniper all these years?

I know, sniper makes sense along with br. I mean plasma pistol,rifle,needler,etc. Its not the same.

 

[Granadier]

I don't think anyone disagrees with this.

I was arguing that saying "It's just cosmetic" is a useless argument as well.

 

[Sai-kun]

http://i.gyazo.com/e9970afb3a92c9c2b569d7ee6bd99619.mp4

http://i.gyazo.com/e7ce27c201aedbcecb81ad231095d9b0.mp4

http://i.gyazo.com/3455a623dcc40a8d4618ab89391362a6.mp4

oh hi