PerezDeCorcho
Member
This man gets it.
Halo 5 beta clips leak (sprint, ADS is *not* COD-style) (more clips and info added)
- Thread starter DopeyFish
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Change is good when it adds something of value.
veloxStrix
Banned
Lol. The HALO REACHing in this thread might be entering Elite status. We have been sprinting since Bungie introduced it into the series FOUR years ago. It's fun watching Frankie and the 343i crew still getting that scapegoat hyperbolic hate since H4. Gonna play the bejeezus out of MCC & the H5 beta.
Yeah, and Halo Reach was one of the worst received Halo games. Right next to, oh, Halo 4. Huh.
Your point?
People who just blindly buy the next game in the series are why game devs can get away with this. As long as they focus on the casual horde, it's all good. The core fans of the series can go bend over the railing and await inspection.
Even if this is just cosmetic, or just a variation on the BR scope (I'm really hoping for this. Stupid customization is better than changies in key mechanics..), 343i has made so many mistakes already that it's hard to have much faith.
Halo has plenty of SP fans, but i'm sure MS and 343 would like a healthy MP community as well.
jailbird20022
Banned
you realize Counter-Strike hasn't changed one bit in almost all of it's iterations and is still immensely popular. Solid game mechanics are timeless, simple as that.
And if you need another example there's pokemon.
I want gameplay that is in no way similar to BF or CoD. Those are yearly franchises that flood the ADS FPS genre constantly. Why would anyone want to release a game into that overcrowded genre? Halo has a large niche that contributes to heavy Xbox sales everytime. Making it more like all the other FPS's available waters down your special brand and reduces the attractiveness of your "exclusive" and contributes to lower system sales.
If PS4 has CoD AW and Halo offers nothing different, why should I buy an XBO?
Vire
Member
Because sprinting actually slows the game too believe it or not. You CANNOT shoot and sprint at the same time, it delays encounters and makes it more of a cat and mouse game.
In past halo games you can run around and shoot as you please (at the same time). And it works beautifully.
Compsiox
Banned
Now if only 343 would...
Guardian Monkey
Member
I'd rather have ads. OG Halo combat is outdated, something better came along Bungie didn't react. So they said it was gameplay mechanic choice. No they just missed the boat. Even look at Destiny they added it.
shacklesmcgee
Member
wow, so much for listening to criticism
Masterz117
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Because ADS and sprint are terrible mechanics in Halo's sandbox. It's already been explained thousands of times. The end.
There are other ways to innovate. Last time I checked copying other games wasn't innovation. Halo originally was a leader, not a follower.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Did Halo 4 do that or did Reach? Or better yet, is Halo overall just not as popular? I'll never be entirely convinced that if 343 made the game most here want it wouldn't also tank in population.
There's so much to play and so many MP shooters that people just don't dedicate the time to one game exclusively like they did in Halo 2/3 days.
Still, this new development is...interesting.
I love Frankie, but he's said things on here before that later became true. CEA not in dev, ranks don't matter in Halo 4, etc. etc.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
I'm willing to give ADS a shot, If movement speed isn't radically impacted and it's not required to get a kill then It could work.
Foxy Fox 39
Banned
I keep asking what would make a good Halo game that has actually evolved gameplay but everyone keeps arguing against COD. I don't think making the game like COD is the answer. (I also don't think Sprint and ADS are COD exclusive mechanics)
What I want to know is exactly what do halo fans want. Not what you don't want. What features new and old will make you happy?
What I want to know is exactly what do halo fans want. Not what you don't want. What features new and old will make you happy?
NullPointer
Member
And even then it's usefulness can be tuned so that hip fire more effective at short to short-medium range.
Primethius
Banned
God, ADS is awful. I suppose the people defending this either enjoyed Halo 4 or didn't play it. Because after 4, 343's on thin ice and revealing this doesn't instill me with any confidence.
Poodlestrike
Banned
But it's not better. Just different, at best.
The drawbacks of ADS are reduced hip fire accuracy and slower movement. If the difference between these:
is simply cosmetic, then it's all fine and dandy. I suppose we'll find out tomorrow.
MightyHedgehog
Member
If what Shinobi says is true, does that mean they intend for MCC to be the classic Coke while H5 represents the new formula with 343/MS supporting both concurrently to maintain both fanbases? As for ADS, I think it's fine for certain weapons, similar to how scopes are fine for sniper rifles or DMRs, but I don't want it for everything as it really does affect the flow of play and tendencies of how map movement is encouraged beyond weapon placement and map control. If there's support for both styles of Halo, I'm okay with it. 343 doesn't want to simply act as caretaker to Bungie's game going forward, but they do risk further alienating classic fans since Halo's classic slower arena-shooter style is now unique among AAA FPS games when they have all emulated CoD's loadout, scoping-friendly, escalation-based design.
New campaign, new weapon types, maybe various grenade types, fast arena style movement, fast-paced gunplay that doesn't need ADS. No exp bar filling or perk bullshit. A pure shooter where player skill is 100% the ONLY deciding factor. The gameplay features that have given MCC such glowing reviews.
Bornstellar
Member
Again you are jumping to conclusions. You say you can't sprint and shoot at the same time? I can do just that in Titanfall with the run and gun kit. By having sprint, you have more gradation in movement speed, and the only difference in Titanfall is that your gun goes down when not shooting.
Endoplasmatisch
Banned
Why would I buy Halo 5 then? We get Halo MCC and Halo 2 in 1080p@60fps (MP).
No reason to buy Halo 5 when its the exact same mechanics as Halo 2.
How boring.
please make this the MCC OT title PLEASE
this is just disengenuous and rude. don't post like this.
Compsiox
Banned
No more of those from AAA. They want the 10 year olds to spread the word not hate it.
Vire
Member
I think a slide would work well in the Halo sandbox, sparks and shit flying everywhere as the metal screeches against the ground.
Aping mechanics from Call of Duty is not the answer.
I see now
I really don't understand the desire to turn Halo into Call of Duty. Have developers learned nothing. People don't want a "me too" game when they can get the real thing. All that has ever resulted in was alienating fans and you still don't get the crowd you are trying to get and end up deeper in the hole. There is a reason why Halo became popular and it's popularity lasted for so long. Instead of trying to improve the game when popularity waned it seems like they rather copy other games instead of improving what made the IP unique and interesting in the first place.
I keep reading 'ADS' as 'AIDS' and this post isn't helping.
Computer
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Preach
Doug Heffernan
Member
It could be like Advanced Warfare where they have the playlists with the new stuff and the separate playlist with the old classic style for those that want it.
Compsiox
Banned
I'd take a job with them for almost nothing to help fix the title, as long as I had complete autonomy.
Every part of the sandbox, every placement of items, every power up, every action that the player can execute alters the combat loop. It also alters the lead up and fade out like a story.
Just like a great story, the lead up to combat and the after combat is just as impactful as the combat itself.
That's why old Halo games are so good.
Ein Bear
Member
I like it
For those who don't wait to play this kind of game, there is still the MCC?
But for people that do want to play this kind of game, there's about a thousand other FPSes coming out every month.
According to Shinobi's source, Assault rifle also has ADS.
Assault rifle. A gun with no scope in any Halo game ever.
too much eslim
Member
everyone wants the core gameplay to remain the same. I don't like sprint but I can accept that. If ADS is like COD/Battlefield then the game is no longer Halo. Halo makes you feel like a super soldier an Army of one. I should not be limited by things. If my movement changes from being in this view they killed the essence of what Halo is.
Bornstellar
Member
You mean like the slide or dive in CoD?
ethomaz
Banned
Coincidente or not we have talk about that in the MCC review thread estou this week.
IMO Destiny gunplay is better than old Halo's... and it have ADS and sprint... same will happen with Halo 5.
After play Destiny I can't go back to old Halo's without think it is dated... I'm sure after Halo 5 I will feel the same.
So I guess it is a good news.
IMO Destiny gunplay is better than old Halo's... and it have ADS and sprint... same will happen with Halo 5.
After play Destiny I can't go back to old Halo's without think it is dated... I'm sure after Halo 5 I will feel the same.
So I guess it is a good news.
Foxy Fox 39
Banned
Thats not really evolving gameplay and most of your features are shallow. New grenade types? That's every Halo. Fast arena style movement? Ok. Still a bit generic and doesn't really evolve gamplay. Fast paced gunplay? Halo already has that and has had that for awhile. Perks are ancillary.
Im starting to think you guys don't know what you want. You just are fear mongering against anything that looks slightly similar to COD or BF
First BR shot in the video is hipfire. As far as I can see, reticule has no spread or bloom.
shacklesmcgee
Member
Have you ever played COD just not using ADS? I'm pretty sure you'd get dominated
Compsiox
Banned
Lets get something right:
Melee had strong local scenes it also didn't have online.
Halo 1 was local scene what with the LAN parties, I'll give you that.
Halo 2's XBL servers were shut down and before that it had modders and network manipulators.
Halo 3 had poor all around playlist support of which it has still not received another playlist update since Reach came out (maybe even longer before that).
Halo: Reach had AA's and bloom which only upset the fanbase due to fiddling with core gameplay elements.
Halo 4 doubled down on that and killed the population.
Part of the reason why fans moved on to the next game was because of the expectation that they would receive a Halo which did not alter or staple unnecessary elements to the gameplay and that any other issues such as cheating would not exist or be cracked down upon more sufficiently. Beyond that there was also the updated netcode since all of the games up to that point were P2P and even looking further than that the true core issue was that the old games would not receive further support like updating the playlist, their DLC would not go free and so players were left at an impasse.
It's not about whether or not one player will choose to use ADS, it's about how most players will use it. It changes the dynamic of encounters entirely.
HighResTomato
Member
I guess we will find out tomorrow @ HaloFest.
Vire
Member
Just don't use ADS?... And be at a serious disadvantage in literally every single encounter?
You cannot be serious?