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[FUNKNOWN iXi]

Thinking ADS is going to bring in the CoD kids?

Not necessarily, but it may get those who like the LT --- RT gameplay to stick around with Halo more if one of the most important parts to any shooter is similar to what they're comfortable with, the aiming. People like that style, but what I'm interested in seeing is how the reception will be to ADS + descope. I foresee some backlash from those who've always wanted ADS in Halo over traditional aiming + descope. Now that we're getting ADS, it's going to be interesting to see the reception of it included with descope, while not gimping the movement.

Next is to have them change motion tracker to sound-based radar and make backpack reloading a default thing, similar to Evolve, because it speeds up the gameplay on another level that's not directly connected to player movement and keeps players engaged in battle.


EDIT:

I wish they'd let you pick between the smart holo sights and traditional zoom though.

Didn't Frankie mention something about a toggle, so maybe this is what it's for? Any serious downside to letting people choose? I don't think so, and it would help with the resistance.

 

[RSB]

If anything, it's probably one of the smartest additions (hah, "smart" scope) because now Halo gets to get away with ADS while really not even having it. It panders to a crowd that wants that CoD feel, while maintaining the form and function that everyone knows Halo for. And it looks awesome, let's be honest.

LOL, no. ADS always looks like shit. Always.

Anyway, if the ADS is really just cosmetic, then 343 should have no problem making the classic zoom/scope an option.

You like the simplicity and elegance of the classic scope mechanic? You choose the classic scope. Want to have half your screen obstructed by your gun when zooming? You choose the new ADS scope. Win-win

 

[Tawpgun]

If 343 wants to owe us and give us a present I vote for an option to choose old zoom for your setting.


Toggle between smart scope and smart link

 

[Impala26]

If 343 wants to owe us and give us a present I vote for an option to choose old zoom for your setting.


Toggle between smart scope and smart link

As much as the ADS debate doesn't bother me, I'm totally in agreement with you (and others) on this. Make the new ADS the default, but make the old "linked visor scope" either a toggle or even perhaps an unlockable thing.

 

[FUNKNOWN iXi]

If 343 wants to owe us and give us a present I vote for an option to choose old zoom for your setting.


Toggle between smart scope and smart link

Done. Next topic?

Seriously, that would end this discussion if 343 did that, no? And how difficult would it be for them to implement that? What downsides would there be?

 

[FUBAR McDangles]

Running into a hilarious glitch on Halo 2A "Regret" right now. Sometimes when I kill an enemy they simply fly 50-75 feet into the air and then fall back down.

First time was on the gondola ride, I sniped a Jackal and he went flying waaaaaay into the air and then fell down into the water. Then a Drone in a big open area, just now an Elite on a cliff thing. Just goes flying for no reason. Hilarious.

 

[Sephzilla]

Done. Next topic?

Seriously, that would end this discussion if 343 did that, no? And how difficult would it be for them to implement that? What downsides would there be?

The pro-ADS/CoD kids would complain that the people who don't like ADS get an innate advantage due to screen real estate being saved? IDK, devils advocating here.

 

[woodland]

If 343 wants to owe us and give us a present I vote for an option to choose old zoom for your setting.


Toggle between smart scope and smart link

I think I'll pass and vote for a sprint toggle instead. Shit should have much more priority and I will never stop complaining about that shit.

#fucksprint

edit: I mean for custom games, since it's obvious if I ever want H1-3 gameplay i'll probably be relegated to Action Sack in new games.

 

[Booshka]

Done. Next topic?

Seriously, that would end this discussion if 343 did that, no? And how difficult would it be for them to implement that? What downsides would there be?

Downside is that ADS people would get shit on by people using the better Scope mechanic. Then they would cry foul, instead of switching to the better Scope option.

 

[User 73706]

1. switch to scope preference
2. crouchwalk everywhere so ADSers can't see you zoomed in thanks to the hugeass weapon occupying their screen
3. ????
4. ELIMINATE THE ENEMY TEAM

 

[Ramirez]

Downside is that ADS people would get shit on by people using the better Scope mechanic. Then they would cry foul, instead of switching to the better Scope option.

In a 1 on 1 battle, I don't see how it would be that different.

 

[Impala26]

Running into a hilarious glitch on Halo 2A "Regret" right now. Sometimes when I kill an enemy they simply fly 50-75 feet into the air and then fall back down.

First time was on the gondola ride, I sniped a Jackal and he went flying waaaaaay into the air and then fell down into the water. Then a Drone in a big open area, just now an Elite on a cliff thing. Just goes flying for no reason. Hilarious.

Did anyone else get the glitch on the "Arbiter" level where your phantom escort during the Banshee pursuit section literally buggers out and essentially flies around in circles for a solid minute or two?

BUUUUGGGGGYYY

Also, I've had several segments of the H2A campaign where the AI flat out will NOT follow me around. Most notably where the marine that appears mid-way crossing the New Mombasa bridge doesn't not hop on the tank and on "Oracle" where reinforcements are dropped off right after Flood Hell-evator/Flood Hall just stand there.

 

[-Ryn]

Running into a hilarious glitch on Halo 2A "Regret" right now. Sometimes when I kill an enemy they simply fly 50-75 feet into the air and then fall back down.

First time was on the gondola ride, I sniped a Jackal and he went flying waaaaaay into the air and then fell down into the water. Then a Drone in a big open area, just now an Elite on a cliff thing. Just goes flying for no reason. Hilarious.

This is an example of good glitches that really enhance the game for me. Unless you're one of those weirdos who get taken out of the experience by it. In which case just make up a reason.

"Their plasma belt detonated and caused them to skyrocket into the distance. My bullet was just lucky."

The pro-ADS/CoD kids would complain that the people who don't like ADS get an innate advantage due to screen real estate being saved? IDK, devils advocating here.

Downside is that ADS people would get shit on by people using the better Scope mechanic. Then they would cry foul, instead of switching to the better Scope option.

Spoiler

Seriously if they have the option to switch but just don't ever do it then they can shut up and deal with it. Obviously a pretty animation is more important to them than their performance.

I think I'll pass and vote for a sprint toggle instead. Shit should have much more priority and I will never stop complaining about that shit.

#fucksprint

edit: I mean for custom games, since it's obvious if I ever want H1-3 gameplay i'll probably be relegated to Action Sack in new games.

Toggle sprint sounds good. However...

#fuckpowerwalkingthroughacanyon

 

[MouldyK]

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/15269759060

In recognition of the difficulties so many of you ran into when trying to play over the first few days, we're adding five days’ worth of extra time to every subscription in the Americas, Oceania, and Europe that was active as of Friday, November 14. Things are already in a much better place than they were going into the weekend, so I hope you’ll now be able to focus on having a ton of fun with this expansion.

So...Beta extension for Halo 5?

 

[Impala26]

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/15269759060

In recognition of the difficulties so many of you ran into when trying to play over the first few days, we're adding five days’ worth of extra time to every subscription in the Americas, Oceania, and Europe that was active as of Friday, November 14. Things are already in a much better place than they were going into the weekend, so I hope you’ll now be able to focus on having a ton of fun with this expansion.

So...Beta extension for Halo 5?

Ehwut?

 

[Saganism]

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/15269759060



So...Beta extension for Halo 5?

3 weeks is long enough, would do nothing for me

unfinished maps being worked on for later down the line would be nice

more worried about how they're gonna remarket this. Maybe sponsor some top streamers if/when this fix goes out to stream halo, lower the price for a seasonal promotion period $5 or $10 bucks.

 

[MouldyK]

Ehwut?

I mean if WoW had issues and people are getting 5 days subscription to make up for it, shouldn't we get something for compensation?

 

[daedalius]

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/15269759060



So...Beta extension for Halo 5?

I didn't even have any problems logging in, heh.

 

[Impala26]

I mean if WoW had issues and people are getting 5 days subscription to make up for it, shouldn't we get something for compensation?

Oh no that was a 'I'm confused' remark...lol

I had no idea it was referring to WoW and I'm at work so link is blocked, haha XD

 

[Takashi]

Also, I've had several segments of the H2A campaign where the AI flat out will NOT follow me around. Most notably where the marine that appears mid-way crossing the New Mombasa bridge doesn't not hop on the tank and on "Oracle" where reinforcements are dropped off right after Flood Hell-evator/Flood Hall just stand there.

I had this happen to me as well. Same part on the Metropolis bridge. Also in Delta Halo when the tank section ends and the Pelican drops off reinforcements, they wouldn't follow inside that structure, which was annoying since I went out of my way to give two of them a sniper and beam rifle. In Regret the marines who rode the first water elevator with me wouldn't continue past that first large room with the hunters (I think this happened in the original). In Sacred Icon the elites that land after going down the largest chute just stood there. I'm sure there were more incidents but those are the only ones I remember off the top of my head.

 

[klodeckel]

Somehow I feel like after the Halo 5 Beta it will be super hard to go back to H2A. Don't get me wrong - I love H2A - but I expect it will feel very slow and nostalgic afterwards.

 

[FUBAR McDangles]

Man, Chief has such a badass aura about him in the first few games.

Arbiter: "The human that killed the Prophet of Regret. Who was it?"

Tartarus: "Who do you think?"

Arbiter legit shook: "The Demon is here?"

Then he's a bitch in Halo 4 that nobody even cares about "Oh hey thought you'd be taller sup"

 

[Sephzilla]

Man, Chief has such a badass aura about him in the first few games.

Arbiter: "The human that killed the Prophet of Regret. Who was it?"

Tartarus: "Who do you think?"

Arbiter legit shook: "The Demon is here?"

Then he's a bitch in Halo 4 that nobody even cares about "Oh hey thought you'd be taller sup"

yeah i wasn't a fan of how little fanfare/respect Chief seemed to get in H4

 

[Impala26]

Somehow I feel like after the Halo 5 Beta it will be super hard to go back to H2A. Don't get me wrong - I love H2A - but I expect it will feel very slow and nostalgic afterwards.

Afterwards? After Halo 4 and Destiny, to me H2A feels that way NOW, lol.

That said, it's my favorite multiplayer in the entire package, sitting right next to Halo CE.

 

[jem0208]

yeah i wasn't a fan of how little fanfare/respect Chief seemed to get in H4

Man, Chief has such a badass aura about him in the first few games.

Arbiter: "The human that killed the Prophet of Regret. Who was it?"

Tartarus: "Who do you think?"

Arbiter legit shook: "The Demon is here?"

Then he's a bitch in Halo 4 that nobody even cares about "Oh hey thought you'd be taller sup"

The final cutscene in 4 was pretty cool. Everyone was kinda like "Woah"

That cutscene is actually really fucking badass.

Afterwards? After Halo 4 and Destiny, to me H2A feels that way NOW, lol.

That said, it's my favorite multiplayer in the entire package, sitting right next to Halo CE.

Yeah, it already feels weirdly slow. No where near as much as 3 does though, it feels like you're ambling along on a gentle stroll in 3

I'm probably LTTP on this, but does the bar above the shield bar in H5 indicate time until shield recharge? If so, that's really awesome, especially given that sprint disables recharge.
Also, I think I need to modify my earlier opinion on Ground Pound after watching that recent gameplay vid. While I'm fine with it being a 1sk for a direct hit, I don't think there should be enough splash damage to knock shields down. A knock back and maybe 25-50% shield drain seems more fair since a shield drop is basically a kill. Aerial attacks should be difficult to pull off successfully, which makes them more rewarding when you get them right.

Yeah, it appears that it is. It is a really nice piece of info to have actually.

 

[RowdyReverb]

I'm probably LTTP on this, but does the bar above the shield bar in H5 indicate time until shield recharge? If so, that's really awesome, especially given that sprint disables recharge.

Also, I think I need to modify my earlier opinion on Ground Pound after watching that recent gameplay vid. While I'm fine with it being a 1sk for a direct hit, I don't think there should be enough splash damage to knock shields down. A knock back and maybe 25-50% shield drain seems more fair since a shield drop is basically a kill. Aerial attacks should be difficult to pull off successfully, which makes them more rewarding when you get them right.
Then again, better players will probably get good at thrusting away from ground pounds and wrecking the attacker, so idk. I'll have to play with it.

 

[Sephzilla]

The final cutscene in 4 was pretty cool. Everyone was kinda like "Woah"

That cutscene is actually really fucking badass.

i honestly still dont think that compares to the respect level he got in the bungie games.

Hood pretty much puts Chief in charge of defending Cairo station almost entirely by himself. The Covenant continually single him out as "the demon". "I didn't think they'd send a Spartan". Etc.

 

[FUBAR McDangles]

Decided to just blow through and speedrun Halo 2A up until I get the terminals.

First terminal is super cool, showing the history of 'Vadam/Arbiter.

And it shows a bit of Jai and Gray Team. So that's fun.

Speaking of Gray Team, where the fuck are they? Still missing?

 

[jem0208]

i honestly still dont think that compares to the respect level he got in the bungie games.

Hood pretty much puts Chief in charge of defending Cairo station almost entirely by himself. The Covenant continually single him out as "the demon". "I didn't think they'd send a Spartan". Etc.

Eh, it kinda makes a bit more sense though. Spartans became a lot more common in the time between 3 and 4. The introduction of the Spartan IVs kinda reduced their mythical status. It makes sense that the Chief is actually seen as a bit of an antique by then.

However I do agree that there doesn't seem to be very much surprise when he returns, it's all a bit like "meh, you're back". That said in the jungle level you do hear the marines sounding quite shocked.


Edit: Found this rather strange glitch in Halo 3 on High Ground. Not sure if it was in the original game: http://xboxclips.com/video.php?uid=...n Li&vid=4aa11cd1-45df-4ca6-a08a-2ada6c6823f4

 

[Impala26]

I'm probably LTTP on this, but does the bar above the shield bar in H5 indicate time until shield recharge? If so, that's really awesome, especially given that sprint disables recharge.
Also, I think I need to modify my earlier opinion on Ground Pound after watching that recent gameplay vid. While I'm fine with it being a 1sk for a direct hit, I don't think there should be enough splash damage to knock shields down. A knock back and maybe 25-50% shield drain seems more fair since a shield drop is basically a kill. Aerial attacks should be difficult to pull off successfully, which makes them more rewarding when you get them right.

I had a question about the "sprint prevents shield recharge" mechanic:

Have they discussed specifically if it simply delays/resets the delay before recharge or do shield not recharge PERIOD while sprinting? For example, you're sprinting away with shields drained, you stop to let them begin recharging but then begin to sprint again. In this scenario would the shield continue to recharge as normal or would it stop the instant you started sprinting again? (I'm assuming the former)

My opinion of what would be the "ideal" ground pound:

• Direct Hit = OHKO
• Knick/Five Foot Radius = Knocks out Shields
• Five to Ten Foot Radius = Shield/Knock Back decreases over distance
• Beyond Ten Feet = Nothing (You Lose)

 

[kittens]

"Oh hey thought you'd be taller sup"

I still think that line was hilarious and perfectly executed. Palmer has a chip on her shoulder, so what.

 

[Rev3rb]

Oh man, these Misha Mansoor tracks are freaking amazing!

 

[MrGreencastle]

At this point my only expectation is that matchmaking gets fixed up and ranks get rolled out to a more sane ensemble of hoppers than what was previously available before they stripped to the bare essentials.

An "apology" gift would be nice, but I don't require that. I do want my game to work properly.

 

[Impala26]

I still think that line was hilarious and perfectly executed. Palmer has a chip on her shoulder, so what.

It's clearly apparent that she is supposed to come off as dick-measuring, especially considering what Jem pointed out about how the marines in the area are more in awe of him right before the cutscene. Even though she of course... is uh.. is a 'she'. lol

I just keep seeing her in my mind as an alternate universe renegade Fem Shep. The person playing as her must have their finger on the right trigger AT ALL TIMES!

 

[tootsi666]

yeah i wasn't a fan of how little fanfare/respect Chief seemed to get in H4

That was only really disappointing thing about Halo 4's campaign

 

[CreateNowSleepLater]

One of the best additions.

Yup, and it's partially why I'm excited to try Halo 5. The last thing I want is another slow-walking Halo game with weapons that don't reach past 20ft., so let's see how this goes. At least we have the other Halo games to instantly jump back to, granted 343 fixes TMCC before Halo 5 releases :b

Halo 3 would bomb if it released today, exactly as it was back then.

Well maybe that will help with pinging people across maps, something many people here have a problem with. Couple that with less aim assist and it might be alright.

It's weird how I despise ADS, but I'm actually looking forward to trying this out lol. I know a lot of people who will probably be excited because of the LT -- RT style, and it's something I'm looking forward to because I tested the Fishstick control scheme in Halo 4, but there was no descoping so pressing LT again was a biatch. If there was descope, I might've rocked out with Fishstick.

I am a Bumper Jumper

 

[User 73706]

Haha, the second Attack on Titan soundtrack uses the "strings clicking in the air as you're about to enter T&R on Keyes" sample Halo CE does.

 

[Sephzilla]

Eh, it kinda makes a bit more sense though. Spartans became a lot more common in the time between 3 and 4. The introduction of the Spartan IVs kinda reduced their mythical status. It makes sense that the Chief is actually seen as a bit of an antique by then.

However I do agree that there doesn't seem to be very much surprise when he returns, it's all a bit like "meh, you're back". That said in the jungle level you do hear the marines sounding quite shocked.


Edit: Found this rather strange glitch in Halo 3 on High Ground. Not sure if it was in the original game: http://xboxclips.com/video.php?uid=...n Li&vid=4aa11cd1-45df-4ca6-a08a-2ada6c6823f4

It just seems weird to me that in the couple of years from Halo 3 to Halo 4 he goes from state of the art soldier superhero to treated like he's slightly outdated.

 

[CreateNowSleepLater]

Yes it's true, turns out the uninformed it's you.

Also, it doesn't look different, the word you are looking for is WORSE.


Just like sprint, perks and killstreaks did. That worked wonders Tawp :/

BTW all this is coming from a guy who thinks the pinnacle of Reach's gameplay was Invasion on Spire, hope that put things into perspective about the fear of change and whatnot.

+1

Thinking ADS is going to bring in the CoD kids?

Why would they want that anyway? Forget sales, H4 sold well. They are never going to be on par with a multi console release.

 

[Blue Ninja]

Have all missions finished on Heroic, but the in-game achievement counter says I still need one more.

Sigh.

Says I haven't completed Infinity yet.

 

[TheOddOne]

Have all missions finished on Heroic, but the in-game achievement counter says I still need one more.

Sigh.

Says I haven't completed Infinity yet.

The new Dark Souls. The pain is too good.

 

[PachinkoChampBruh]

BRAVO 343
R
A
V
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lol 10 player campaign did it load?

 

[FUNKNOWN iXi]

Who was bitchin about CE spawns? They're wonderful!

 

[Blue Ninja]

The new Dark Souls. The pain is too good.

Oh god, I remember. I had accidentally saved and quit during the final cutscene, and when I came back and reloaded it just opened up the next level instead.

Gonna see if a rally point can cure my ailments, but I doubt it.

EDIT: Obviously it didn't work. Guess I'll try replaying the entire mission tomorrow.

 

[Ampoc]

Who was bitchin about CE spawns? They're wonderful!

Had to watch the clip twice to notice what actually happened. derp

 

[Booshka]

The new Dark Souls. The pain is too good.

Except that Dark Souls saves your game progress about as well as any game I've played. You load back to exactly where you quit every time.

What's happening to people in MCC Campaign is like if a boss you killed, or a bonfire you made it to, just got reset and you had to do it all over again.

 

[MrGreencastle]

Something like this?

13 permanent playlists, 1 temporary test playlist, 1 rotational playlist, and 1 event playlist. 16 playlists total.

(R) for ranked
(S) for "social"/"unranked"

-Pick a Halo, any Halo-

Halo CE (R)
2v2-4v4 mix of objective and slayer on small to medium maps

Halo 2 Classic (R)
4v4-5v5 mix of objective and slayer on small to medium maps

Halo 2 Anniversary (R)
4v4-5v5 mix of objective and slayer on all 6 maps

Halo 3 (R)
4v4-5v5 mix of objective and slayer on small to medium maps

Halo 4 (R)
4v4-5v5 mix of objective and slayer on small to medium maps​

-Blended Hoppers-

Rumble Pit (R)
6-8 player FFA mix of objective and slayer on small to medium maps in CE, 2, 2A, 3, and 4

Double Team (R)
2v2 mix of objective and slayer on small to medium maps in CE, 2, 2A, 3, and 4

Multi Team (S)
2v2v2v2-3v3v3v3 mix of objective and slayer on medium to large maps in 2, 2A, 3, and 4

Team Slayer (R)
3v3-5v5 slayer gametypes on medium to large maps in CE, 2, 2A, 3, and 4

Squad Battle (R)
6v6 mix of slayer and objective on medium to large maps in CE, 2, 2A, 3, and 4

Big Team Battle (S)
7v7-8v8 mix of slayer and objective on medium to large maps in CE, 2, 2A, 3, and 4​

-E-Sports-

FFA (R)
6-8 player in CE, 2, 2A, 3, and 4 esports-style gametypes and maps

4v4 (R)
mix of objective and slayer esports-style gametypes and maps in CE, 2, 2A, 3, and 4​

-Other-

Forge Test (S)
mix of slayer and objective test gametypes for "beta" forge maps in Halo 2A, 3, and 4 before rollout into matchmaking proper

Rotational Playlist (fast rotation: changes every day, predictably. some ranked, some not)
SWAT (R), Grifball (R), Flagstravaganza (S), Team Snipers (R), Phantom Pistols (Waterworks) (R), Rocket Race (S), Action Sack (S), Zombies (S), Head to Head (1v1) (R), etc.

Event/Tournament Playlist (slow rotation: changes every "month" or every time there's a new "event")
Halo 2 Anniversary Competition​

 

[The Flash]

Something like this?

I like it

 

[belushy]

Something like this?

Looks good. Something in me wants all the blended playlists to be social, though.

Also maybe if you reach a certain rank in a rotational playlist, you get an exclusive emblem or avatar or something.

 

[Madness]

Looks good. Something in me wants all the blended playlists to be social, though.

Also maybe if you reach a certain rank in a rotational playlist, you get an exclusive emblem or avatar or something.

Why? Make all playlists ranked. Those that don't care about rank, don't need to worry what number they're given, and those who need ranks are able to utilize a variety of playlists to gauge improvement and feedback. Menke said naturally the system will bring everyone up to 30 at least, 30-40 somewhat random, an then 45+ is brutal and what only the top tier players and pros will be able to get.

I'm not even some tryhard player, I'm probably garbage tier at this point now, but I'd want every playlist ranked for some reason now. If I don't care enough to say play competitively and just want to goof off, let my rank reflect it in the playlist. But I feel it won't happen, social playlists will be needed, because people don't want to be told how bad they are, or accept that they're bad.