Hard to believe. Frankie said the same the day before H5 was announced.
Though it is sketch...
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Hard to believe. Frankie said the same the day before H5 was announced.
Though it is sketch...
Samurai G0SU
Member
wait, dan ayoub left 343i? did i read that somewhere and forget? lol
Yeah we still get something Halo. I still hope for a big MCC update/PC release but I know it wont happen haha
Yeah weekly update. Got promoted to head up Mixed Reality at Microsoft.
What. Come on.
link1201
Member
That's sucks! 😭
Fata1moose
Banned
Hope they're taking their time on Halo 6, getting campaign right, the art style and arena adjustments. Halo 6 has to bring people back, the franchise has been bleeding too many players
Fahzgoolin
Banned
Yeah I legit don't know if the series can survive another Halo 4/MCC/5 situation. It's become a meme to hate Halo now.
Halo 6 needs to be a masterpiece.
It needs to raise the bar in terms of narrative, mission structure and presentation.
It needs to be accessible and appealing to newcomers, familiar and rewarding to veterans, and deep enough to challenge players at the highest level
It needs to be so feature and content rich (at launch), that the value proposition is unparalleled
It needs to technically sound, devoid of game/experience breaking bugs
It needs a gameplay loop that is unique and distinct amongst its peers- standing out rather than fitting in
It needs to bring something new to the genre so innovative that it inspires its competition to imitate
These are the characteristics that defined Halo's success during the golden years (not a lack of competition as many people so often claim)
Basically, it needs to again be worth of GOTY discussions, instead of being a generally decent game.
However long it needs to take to make Halo6 into the aforementioned game is how long they should spend making it. Just updates and expansions until then would suffice...
It needs to raise the bar in terms of narrative, mission structure and presentation.
It needs to be accessible and appealing to newcomers, familiar and rewarding to veterans, and deep enough to challenge players at the highest level
It needs to be so feature and content rich (at launch), that the value proposition is unparalleled
It needs to technically sound, devoid of game/experience breaking bugs
It needs a gameplay loop that is unique and distinct amongst its peers- standing out rather than fitting in
It needs to bring something new to the genre so innovative that it inspires its competition to imitate
These are the characteristics that defined Halo's success during the golden years (not a lack of competition as many people so often claim)
Basically, it needs to again be worth of GOTY discussions, instead of being a generally decent game.
However long it needs to take to make Halo6 into the aforementioned game is how long they should spend making it. Just updates and expansions until then would suffice...
Yup expansions and spinoffs to keep it alive, then h6 to knock socks off
I really hope they take their time with Halo 6. Halo 5, especially today is very solid. But when it launched it was missing some features that I think everyone wished was included when the game launched. So hopefully Microsoft gives them plenty of time and a good budget for Halo 6. And with all the feedback on Halo 4 & 5, I'm hoping they really impress everyone with the best Halo game yet.
I've been thinking about how matchmaking has been handled in Halo lately and I came to the conclusion that playlists are actually pretty bad. I'd really like to see 343 drop the playlist model for future titles. I don't think we should use a server browser though (although they need to keep the customs browser).
My idea is a toggle system which kind of melds aspects of playlists, server browsers and matchmaking together.
Basically you've got a list of gametypes, you tick off which gametypes and which maps within that gametype you'd like to play. Then you hit matchmake. When you match a player, the game looks at the toggles you've both enabled and randomly selects one, that then determines what you're playing.
To retain an element of playlists you'd have toggle groups, or gamemode groups. For the UI, you'd have a list of cascading checklists/toggles. At the top level you'd have the toggle groups/playlists, you could then expand a toggle group and see the gametypes available in that group, you can then expand each individual gametype to see the maps on which it is playable. It would look like this essentially:
Team Arena:
Each of these elements would be separately togglable. So if you only wanted to play "Team Arena - Stongholds - Plaza" OR "Swat - BRs - Truth" then you just toggle both those maps in the respective toggle groups/gamemodes. If you want to just play Team Arena modes but not on Empire, you toggle Team Arena and then uncheck Empire for each gametype. If you didn't care what you play just toggle everything. For those who don't want to bother messing about with toggles they can just select a single toggle group/playlist and it would just as it does now.
To retain the ranking system you'd be ranked on a toggle group/playlist basis, just like now.
This would allow really fine grain control on what you want to play. Shit maps would quickly become rarer because people would untoggle them, however, if you find yourself playing the same map/mode too many times you can just go untoggle that one and match elsewhere.
I don't know how difficult this would be from a tech perspective but I can't imagine it would be that much harder to implement than what we've got at the moment. The biggest problem I can see is how to handle MMR and varying strictness based on different gamemodes...
My idea is a toggle system which kind of melds aspects of playlists, server browsers and matchmaking together.
Basically you've got a list of gametypes, you tick off which gametypes and which maps within that gametype you'd like to play. Then you hit matchmake. When you match a player, the game looks at the toggles you've both enabled and randomly selects one, that then determines what you're playing.
To retain an element of playlists you'd have toggle groups, or gamemode groups. For the UI, you'd have a list of cascading checklists/toggles. At the top level you'd have the toggle groups/playlists, you could then expand a toggle group and see the gametypes available in that group, you can then expand each individual gametype to see the maps on which it is playable. It would look like this essentially:
Team Arena:
- Slayer
Team Slayer:- Eden
- Plaza
- Coliseum
- CTF- Plaza
- Coliseum
- Fathom
- Coliseum
- Truth
- Strongholds- Coliseum
- Truth
- Eden
- Plaza
- Empire
- Plaza
- Empire
- Eden
- Plaza
- Fathom
SWAT:- Plaza
- Fathom
- BRs
etc.- maps...
- Pistols- Maps...
Each of these elements would be separately togglable. So if you only wanted to play "Team Arena - Stongholds - Plaza" OR "Swat - BRs - Truth" then you just toggle both those maps in the respective toggle groups/gamemodes. If you want to just play Team Arena modes but not on Empire, you toggle Team Arena and then uncheck Empire for each gametype. If you didn't care what you play just toggle everything. For those who don't want to bother messing about with toggles they can just select a single toggle group/playlist and it would just as it does now.
To retain the ranking system you'd be ranked on a toggle group/playlist basis, just like now.
This would allow really fine grain control on what you want to play. Shit maps would quickly become rarer because people would untoggle them, however, if you find yourself playing the same map/mode too many times you can just go untoggle that one and match elsewhere.
I don't know how difficult this would be from a tech perspective but I can't imagine it would be that much harder to implement than what we've got at the moment. The biggest problem I can see is how to handle MMR and varying strictness based on different gamemodes...
Fahzgoolin
Banned
I certainly like this style of MM in games. CSGO has something similar, where you pick which gametype you want to play and toggle which maps you want to be queued for. The obvious potential problem is population and MM times, although I think the significance of that is often overstated. I'll gladly wait 5+ minutes to get something I really love. Also, 343 has expressed that they got rid of map voting/vetoing because it created situations where certain maps were consistently ignored. I hope 343 reconsiders this at least, because if they make a poop map, the community should have a right to collectively vote against poop.
Although, I think your suggestion/model could be a really cool feature set that distinguishes Halo 5 and 6 into the future where people can custom tailor their MM experience better. In my mind, it would be a win win, even if it was less robust than what you are suggesting.
I don't think population/MM times would be all that affected, in general I think you could actually see them improve. Because playlists aren't strictly defined you allow players to match across them. If I select both the Team Arena group and the Team Slayer group I'll be matching a larger pool of players than with the current playlist system.
You can match with anyone who has at least one toggle in common with you. If you only select a single map/gamemode you're going to be matching with anyone else who has that as one of their toggles. It will be obviously be slightly slower than selecting the entire toggle group but unless you select a really unpopular map it won't be that much slower because you'll be matching against anyone who has that toggle group checked.
Those who want fine grain control will experience slightly slower matching, those who aren't as bothered and want to play any gamemode in a given playlist will have slightly faster matchmaking. In general each "playlist" will have a higher potential number of players because of cross playlist selection.
Quick example: There are 10'000 players and two playlists, let's imagine with the current system they're evenly split between the playlists:
- Team Arena: 5000 players
- Team Slayer: 5000 players
Let's say 10% of that 10'000 don't really care which playlist they match with so with the toggle system you'd have this:
- Team Arena: 4500 who only toggle Team Arena + 1000 who toggle both = 5500 total
- Team Slayer: 4500 who only toggle Team Slayer + 1000 who toggle both = 5500 total
So each playlist actually has more people trying to match in it than before.
Poodlestrike
Banned
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Sounds pretty workable to me, tbh. Or it's worth a shot at least.
The one big obvious downfall is if people end up being suuuuuper picky about their toggle preferences and there's not enough "eh whatever" players to make up the numbers.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
It's like we've gone back in time
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=178038128&postcount=4412
Apparently Chris Lee is the new studio head. He's been working on Halo since ODST.
https://twitter.com/franklez/status/863890684893384704
https://twitter.com/franklez/status/863890684893384704
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
Replacing Bonnie Ross? Was/isn't she studio head? Wait Dan was a studio head as well but not a direct replacement? How many heads 343 got.
Hail Hydra
Chris is becoming studio head of 343's FPS division, which Dan did not lead.
Fata1moose
Banned
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
Totally OT, but Agents of SHIELD is incredible and should be watched if you're a fan of Marvel, superheroes, etc. That is all.
Samurai G0SU
Member
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What was his work on ODST and Reach?
link1201
Member
Pretty sure he was a producer that showed up in some of those Sprint episodes.
Yep, only one community has ever had an issue with Halo.
Is the Beyond comment sarcasm? As far as I can tell, Quinn's brought a lot of vital perspective to the franchise, but that's mostly based on what I know from the Sprint videos.
While Quinn is a competitive person (from what I've seen), people around the competitive community don't exactly agree with some of his vision like 2 binary rifles on Coliseum and pushing Breakout. It took 500+ days for them to finally remove auto's from the HCS too.
Very much so.
The Beyond community as a whole don't agree with a lot of what he has to say.7
Yup, that's exactly what I said.
Gotcha. As long as the competitive core stays intact, I can tolerate some dumb decisions. Halo 5 has been so good that I don't sweat the small stuff so much.
Breakout was definitely a mistake though, lol.
VincentMatts
Member
Breakout needed maps that werent built in forge and maybe some gameplay tweeks. The gametype felt half assed just like BTB did. Beating a dead horse.
Breakout needs a scoring system which basically prevents ties.
I've mentioned it before but I'd like to see a version of Breakout which changes how scoring works when the time limit is up. My idea is that when the timer is up:
- Whichever team has less players alive loses.
- In the event that both teams have the same number of players alive, the last team to get a kill wins.
This way the only way to tie would be for neither team to get a kill throughout the round.
I've mentioned it before but I'd like to see a version of Breakout which changes how scoring works when the time limit is up. My idea is that when the timer is up:
- Whichever team has less players alive loses.
- In the event that both teams have the same number of players alive, the last team to get a kill wins.
This way the only way to tie would be for neither team to get a kill throughout the round.
I can't..
Wow...
All I know is the guy tried to explain to me the merits of grenade hitmarkers and waypoints that broadcast when enemies pickup powerweapons...
So yeah... I'm nervous
All I really have to say is:
343 without Quinn = Halo 4
343 with Quinn = Halo 5
I'm not saying he's wholly responsible for the changes between 4 and 5 but he definitely had an impact.
And I, personally, definitely enjoyed Halo 4 way more than Halo 5 (when they took abilities and kill-streaks out of matchmaking with Legendary Slayer) after they patched the game with a 4 sk BR.
Maybe not the Infection part, but in the end, I had way more fun (as a casual player which only go some time to time into hardcore playlists) on Halo 4 (BTB love), and the maps weren't that bad.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
My jem list just got stronger. Enjoy being ignored, shit listed, and blacklisted from HaloGAF parties.
Fata1moose
Banned
Only I can save Halo.
Publishing and production on the Microsoft side. Super solid credentials and attitude.
Fata1moose
Banned
Pff but does he hate sprint?
If only the Avs had your accuracy.
Samurai G0SU
Member
I was never welcome in the first place so nothings changed for me buddy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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