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Halo |OT10| The Calm Before The Storm
- Thread starter GhaleonEB
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It'd be tough to talk half of GAF's mothers into having a friend over all day in their basement.
VanquishUK
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Not to mention how sharp they are!
I concur
YourExWife
Member
My cortana is sill the best.
I see a trend.
MrGreencastle
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Pop
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Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Yes.... YESSSS..... YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.
YourExWife
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bobs...onGaf
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Your mom seemed fine with having half of gaf around though!
<3 you man. Theres a second easy joke in there but screw it.
VanquishUK
Member
Amen
Reagan's BR
Banned
Stealth brag about your new house.
Pop
Member
I'm going to write in Sword Base. It's been decided.
VanquishUK
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Genesis Knight
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VanquishUK
Member
Watch out some cunt could be spoiling in the chat!
I think he's bullshitting though, close it to be safe.
I think he's bullshitting though, close it to be safe.
Ragnarok Flames
Banned
remember to block chat
thezerofire
Banned
those sniper games hit the spot. thanks bobs...and zoojoo...
Not a Jellyfish
but I am a sheep
Yeah just saw that, I refuse to believe it.
Genesis Knight
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Geez guys, just click the twitter tab to close the chat or something.
So I wasn't the only casualty.
VanquishUK
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GodfatherX
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wow, wasnt expecting that, very awesome thank you
Genesis Knight
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BR is a 4sk, DMR is a 5sk I believe.
EDIT: Stream went down, who was a killjoy and reported it?
keep reloading page, you'll get in eventually, i reloaded 5 times and got in
edit: stream is down for infringement lol
edit: thanks Knight
Gabotron ES
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Stream died
BackdoorBeauty
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Offlined already. Microsoft has their finger on the money button. Too bad the game is widely available for people with modded xboxes. Hopefully retailers will just start selling copies when they become available instead of holding it until nov 6th, but that will probably screw up launch day plans.
It's not. 5sk. Trust me
RANDOM TANGENT BECAUSE I HAD TO GO HELP PAY FOR A CAR REGISTRATION AND FIX A COMPUTER AND THE ORIGINAL TOPIC HAS PASSED
Why you shouldnt be worried about the (current) lack of Assault in Halo 4, a short story by me.
I was thinking overnight and this morning about the previous discussion on the lack of Assault. Ive come to the conclusion that people shouldnt be worried about this. Its going to require me to lay some groundwork for how Im going to explain it though.
In Halo: Reach, objective play has what Ill call verbs, because I cant think of a better word right now, for gaining points or winning. These verbs are:
you can destroy something (kill a player, a vehicle, or only in FF, a generator)
you can possess something that you can drop (pick up a ball, pick up a flag, pick up a bomb)
you can occupy something (stand inside a hill zone)
you can apply something (a bomb to an arming hill, a flag to a cap point)
In Halo 4, all of these verbs are still available. It got me to thinking that 343 actually made a clever decision in regards to objectives and a problem Reach has: the Oddball, Flag, and Bomb are all just skins for the same mechanic (possess). 343 has actually removed the objective redundancy in 4, and we now actually have more options. Youll have to divorce the appearance of what youre holding from the underlying mechanic, though, to follow what Im saying.
In Reach, all of your possessable objectives behave exactly the same way. You can pick them up and toss them back down and smack someone for a OHK. Functionally in Megalo they are the same. In Hot Potato, they just use the Bomb instead of the Oddball, but it still functions like an Oddball in previous games, for example.
In Halo 4, you now have a new option: you have the objective you can toss (Oddball and all of the Reach objective objects), the Objective you occupy (same hills from Reach), and we now have a new Objective type, the Magjective. An objective that forces you to hold it, cannot be tossed, but gives you a basic weapon. It puts you into a known state.
It was already confirmed in the previous thread or this one that Halo 4s launch selection of gametypes are not the gametypes its stuck with for the rest of its life. So we now 4 can have new gametypes added post launch, and we know it has a scripting language of some sort. 343 also changed the Oddball to a more generic object than a skull, so it could conceivably explode and make sense (unlike a normal human skull) if 343 wanted it to in a gametype.
I guess what Im saying here is that theres nothing preventing Assault in Halo 4. The bomb object was redundant in both form and function - its a flag in ball form that you carry in reverse. The question is if 343's ideal assault would be a Magjective (dedicated carrier, must protect on the way in, minimal defense) or an Oddball (throwable and tossable). All they have to do to make the Magjective work for assault is make it so you have to arm it and plant the flag on the stand, then the other team has to stand on it to prevent it from being locked in. Or you could make it the Oddball and it's a round object you hold over an arm spot and plant for an explosion, and there won't be confusion since it's one gametype per playlist.
So Halo 4 has:
you can destroy something (kill a player)
you can possess something that you can drop (oddball)
you can occupy something (hills)
you can apply something (ball to cap point in grifball, flagnum to cap point)
you can trade something (trade your weapons for the objective for your current life)
Or as an example, if you want an objective you can throw that you steal from the other base, make oddballs that only one team can pick up and make them capture it at their home base, with them being able to toss and throw it to each other on the way back. If 'classic' CTF returns as an actual flag though, I'd imagine it'd either be in this form or as a separate Flag object that doesn't give you a magnum patched into the game.
CTF:
Possess (H4: trade) the objective and apply it to your home base cap point
Assault:
Possess the objective and apply it to your enemy's base cap point
Oddball:
Possess the objective and receive points for time while holding it
Regicide:
Destroy a player to gain points
Dominion:
Occupy hills to upgrade your base and destroy other players
etc. Pay less attention to the skins and more attention to the mechanics.
Why you shouldnt be worried about the (current) lack of Assault in Halo 4, a short story by me.
I was thinking overnight and this morning about the previous discussion on the lack of Assault. Ive come to the conclusion that people shouldnt be worried about this. Its going to require me to lay some groundwork for how Im going to explain it though.
In Halo: Reach, objective play has what Ill call verbs, because I cant think of a better word right now, for gaining points or winning. These verbs are:
you can destroy something (kill a player, a vehicle, or only in FF, a generator)
you can possess something that you can drop (pick up a ball, pick up a flag, pick up a bomb)
you can occupy something (stand inside a hill zone)
you can apply something (a bomb to an arming hill, a flag to a cap point)
In Halo 4, all of these verbs are still available. It got me to thinking that 343 actually made a clever decision in regards to objectives and a problem Reach has: the Oddball, Flag, and Bomb are all just skins for the same mechanic (possess). 343 has actually removed the objective redundancy in 4, and we now actually have more options. Youll have to divorce the appearance of what youre holding from the underlying mechanic, though, to follow what Im saying.
In Reach, all of your possessable objectives behave exactly the same way. You can pick them up and toss them back down and smack someone for a OHK. Functionally in Megalo they are the same. In Hot Potato, they just use the Bomb instead of the Oddball, but it still functions like an Oddball in previous games, for example.
In Halo 4, you now have a new option: you have the objective you can toss (Oddball and all of the Reach objective objects), the Objective you occupy (same hills from Reach), and we now have a new Objective type, the Magjective. An objective that forces you to hold it, cannot be tossed, but gives you a basic weapon. It puts you into a known state.
It was already confirmed in the previous thread or this one that Halo 4s launch selection of gametypes are not the gametypes its stuck with for the rest of its life. So we now 4 can have new gametypes added post launch, and we know it has a scripting language of some sort. 343 also changed the Oddball to a more generic object than a skull, so it could conceivably explode and make sense (unlike a normal human skull) if 343 wanted it to in a gametype.
I guess what Im saying here is that theres nothing preventing Assault in Halo 4. The bomb object was redundant in both form and function - its a flag in ball form that you carry in reverse. The question is if 343's ideal assault would be a Magjective (dedicated carrier, must protect on the way in, minimal defense) or an Oddball (throwable and tossable). All they have to do to make the Magjective work for assault is make it so you have to arm it and plant the flag on the stand, then the other team has to stand on it to prevent it from being locked in. Or you could make it the Oddball and it's a round object you hold over an arm spot and plant for an explosion, and there won't be confusion since it's one gametype per playlist.
So Halo 4 has:
you can destroy something (kill a player)
you can possess something that you can drop (oddball)
you can occupy something (hills)
you can apply something (ball to cap point in grifball, flagnum to cap point)
you can trade something (trade your weapons for the objective for your current life)
Or as an example, if you want an objective you can throw that you steal from the other base, make oddballs that only one team can pick up and make them capture it at their home base, with them being able to toss and throw it to each other on the way back. If 'classic' CTF returns as an actual flag though, I'd imagine it'd either be in this form or as a separate Flag object that doesn't give you a magnum patched into the game.
CTF:
Possess (H4: trade) the objective and apply it to your home base cap point
Assault:
Possess the objective and apply it to your enemy's base cap point
Oddball:
Possess the objective and receive points for time while holding it
Regicide:
Destroy a player to gain points
Dominion:
Occupy hills to upgrade your base and destroy other players
etc. Pay less attention to the skins and more attention to the mechanics.
MaximumFlipFlop
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Zeouterlimits
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Your tax dollars at work.
Genesis Knight
Member
Mmmmm, CocaMola with dat IV hookup.
There is evidence it may be in.