ElzarTheBam
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I cry myself to sleep.
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I cry myself to sleep.
Personally, i've never played a good Pit forge remake. Everyone always feels so "off".
The Henery
Member
It's The Pit brah. It deserves better.
gAg CruSh3r
Member
I saw this a month or two ago but I think many people have not. I don't see why this did not make it into Halo 4? It's really awesome!
This is the least of what they do in Britland.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Sidenote but I hope 343 uses Ken Levine's mentality in writing for Halo 5.
ElzarTheBam
Member
Ken Levine is one of the most influential people in the video game industry.
He also a no BS mentality.
I rank him higher then Miyamoto.
Rickenslacker
Banned
I can respect a man who can make a watered down version of a game he released 8 years prior and get universal praise for it.
Infinite will be great!
On a side note we should boost for multiplayer achievements in Tomb Raider. Almost all of them can be achieved in custom games.
ElzarTheBam
Member
That's great!
Poker Face
Member
if it is seems pretty cool.
Okay, I prolly haven't played enough Pit to be that sensitive. But in terms of remakes Midship or any Covenant map makes more sense given the limitations of Forge.
Midship would be great if there was a playlist that just bumped the base speed and removed sprint.
Instead, you have to rely on the maps that sit between small and medium like Sanctuary, The Pit, and Zealot.
My guess: This is from the time when Floodgate and Cortana were still one mission, i guess GS would have been introduced on the Ark instead of Floodgate, since some of the dialogue is shared.
Hypertrooper
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The Librarian cutscene is the part where the story gets messed up. You cannot throw so much information to a player in such a short time.
I will use one story twist as an example: Prometheans are digitalized Humans? (I am still asking myself how the Chief quickly figures this secret out with the information, the Librarian gives him. He is perfect in every way, I guess. Perfect detective, too.) How could 343i have delivered this message to the player? There are many perfect opportunities to tease and reveal this twist. In the 3rd mission, Cortana is analyzing a data stream of a Promethean knight to get information about it. At this part, Cortana could have made a comment like This is strange This information stored here has great resemblances with Humanitys DNA. This is the first tease. The second tease would have been in the Librarian cutscene and the Didact would have revealed the twist in the 7th or final mission. Imagine if the Didact stands in front of the Chief and reveals he killed digitalized humans the whole time.
Furthermore the main game story never tells why the Didact uses Humans. The terminals are revealing it, but if you dont watch them, you will never find out. So the whole Prometheans are digitalized humans contradicts with Didacts attitude. (His hatred against Humans).
If 343i had spaced out the information of this specific cutscene, I think people would have had a complete different opinion of the story. But thats just my opinion.
Don't forget paper mache vehicles.
Halo 4 restored vehicles to solid health levels only to give players anti vehicle weapons on spawn. #balance?
Would anyone be down to play some GOOD btb customs? I might even toy around with making the maps and gametypes.
Yup. But its not surprising with how rushed the rest of the game seemed to be put together. I appreciated the story more since I knew the fiction behind it and stuff, but good lord what a mess it must of been for someone who hadn't read the Greg Bear novels.
I think from the very first cutscene 343 had trouble with the story. Why was Halsey in chains, and why were they asking that stuff about Chief? Wouldn't that have been the appropriate time to fill in details on the story after Halo 3? The creation of Infinity, the creation of the new Spartan-IV program etc.
I mean the games are the primary medium, wouldn anyone know half the stuff that happened if they never read the new books or watched FUD?
I have friends who have been with me since day 1 of CE, they didn't even know Forerunners were once in war with humans etc. They believed we WERE forerunners. Reading the last bulletin, I can't help but wonder, how many fans of the Halo games, have no clue what the fuck a Bornstellar-Didact or Ur-Didact is.
I get it's a new trilogy, but explain it better in-game, and if you can't fit it in game, don't release.
"Don't do it if it doesn't fit in a shooter game" is a really cruddy rule for a $3 billion franchise to follow. Did the story need work to make it more accessible for game players? Yes. But that doesn't equal dumbing it down so it'll fit in-game. That defeats the point of having tie-in novels, etc.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary £15 @ Zavvi
Payed $40 at launch, no regrets. Everyone buy 3 copies so you pay nearly the equivalent amount.
I'll go a step further and say that the second the Infinity drops in is where the story gets messed up. They had a unique opportunity to hit the reset button and really flesh out the Chief/Cortana relationship by giving them some breathing room, but instead you go three levels in, have some interesting moments, and then that plot thread gets shoved into cracks in between some old farce of a character barking orders at you. Instead of letting them be alone for a while, the literal biggest and most powerful spaceship in the known universe drops from the sky with a bunch of characters nobody cares about.
I would guess that it's because each game comes with two games. ODST would probably have the Halo 3 MP and Anniversary would have a section of the Reach MP.
squidhands
Member
I agree with you. All of the stuff in the terminals were pretty essential to the story, so I don't even understand the logic of why they were relegated there anyway. Terminals should be enriching the universe, not giving out extremely necessary info that we need to understand the antagonist's motivations. Factor in the fact that we couldn't even see that shit in-game, and it just made for an overall poor telling of a story that should have been great.
Infinity should have been torn apart when it hit the planet. My understanding was that it was completely inoperable, so there shouldn't have been anything to keep it from breaking up into huge chunks over miles and miles. I could be wrong and missed something, because I haven't played that much of the campaign. I'm all for suspension of disbelief to make a universe plausible, but c'mon.
Eh, I would pay for a standalone ODST w/ no Halo 3 MP.
CEA just has two executables in the .iso, which shouldn't be an issue for GoD.
Would you prefer they cut the temrinals entirely?
Anniversary would require a bit of work (remove the Reach Anni MP image, then change the menu in Anniversary to no longer show the option), ODST should work straight across though (they'd only have to distribute the ODST disc image. They can omit H3 Mythic completely)
Unless Microsoft just doesn't want to release ODST, my guess on that game is the licensing of the celebrity faces could be a roadblock to a digital version.
Huh I hadn't even thought of that. Surely MS would have tried to grab all the rights to using them in any kind of adaptation though.
ElzarTheBam
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squidhands
Member
What's a temrinals? Is that the broad term for Armor Abilities? Then yes, fucking cut that shit like an angsty teenager.
if that helps you pull your head out of your ass feel free
ElzarTheBam
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Hypertrooper
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I disagree. The story is still understandable at that point and the cutscene does not confuse the player. They know Infinity is heading inside of Requiem.
But I agree on the part that 343i missed a huge opportunity. The short "Chief and Cortana" sequences are the highlight of the game. I am not saying 343i messed up Chief and Cortana's part. (except for the ending maybe) The whole pre-marketing campaign till E3'12 only shows the Chief and Cortana. The art shows big spaces where the Chief lonely stands. 343i did too much stuff with the stuff. "Less is sometimes more" is the saying, or am I wrong?
Yes. Using a comment in the wrong context.
Mace Griffin
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The Pit is an amazing map however I think in Halo 4 sprint would just ruin it, everyone will just be sprinting away when one shot, sprinting down the corridors to flank the other team etc. I can't see how it would play remotely like Halo 3 Pit in Halo 4. Its easy to get games in Halo 3 social slayer which includes the pit, why not play that? Its far superior to anything Halo 4 has to offer. If I play Halo I just play Halo 3 now.
Depends on how much they cost. I believe Marty mentioned at some point (ODST panel?) that they went back and spent the extra money to get their faces later on in development.
edit: nevermind on part 2
edit2: Also, Games on Demand wasn't a thing until just a month befoe ODST released. It may have not been a consideration when ODST's contracts were originally drafted up, assuming the celeb faces are the roadblock.
squidhands
Member
Oh I got it, I just had no "witty" comeback outside of the misspelling.
I hope the next Halo will treat the Terminals differently and not information critical to the current story in them. Like, say, the CEA Terminals.
Sure - don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the direction they took with that makes it more confusing, just that I think it was the wrong direction to go in. My wording on that wasn't entirely clear, so that's my fault. And yeah, you're right, I do think that less would definitely be more in this scenario. All the talk about the "personal story" they were trying to tell doesn't really mean anything if it gets truncated and pushed to the background by this weird grand adventure happening concurrently that doesn't really go anywhere.
VivaciousJazzy
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The Henery makes an appearance with a unique clip. Hope you guys like.
Poker Face
Member
LOL at the first one
Explain to us why CEA on GoD would be an issue.
I installed my copy of CEA, and aside from requiring the disc in the drive, it should function similary to a digital version.