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Halo |OT16| Oh Bungie, Where Art Thou?
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Zeouterlimits
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I'm very confused. Is this how "PR" works these days?
lolvideogames
User 73706
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I'll whip up the UI this weekend but in the meantime here's a master playlist consolidation for you fluffy chumstains. 4 voting options per list.
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Halo CE Magnum and 2x Frag starts. High movement speeds, strafe and jump. 4 precision weapons are available at your base, only one of which is a Marksman-class rifle. No Sprint, Armor Abilities or Armor Mods.
8-Way FFA. Rumble Pit. Slayer / Oddball / King of the Hill / One King
2v2. Team Doubles. Slayer / Oddball / One Flag / Regicide
4v4. Team Slayer. Slayer / Slayer Classic / Regicide / Ambassador
4v4. Team Objective. CTF / One Flag / Assault / One Bomb
4v4. Team Control. Oddball / King of the Hill / Territories / Three Plots
SOCIAL
Custom Loadouts enabled. Loadout options include precision weapons, primary automatics, and Frag/Pulse grenades. Sprint may be enabled. No Armor Mods.
8v8. Big Team Battle. Slayer / CTF / One Bomb / Three Plots
16v16. Big Team Tactical. Slayer / Extraction / Dominion / Domain
16v16. Invasion. Invasion / Invasion CTF / Dreadploughts / Lich King
16v16. Safe Havens.
[DOUBLE EXP] Rotational / DLC Playlist
One King works like Juggernaut - if you kill the King, you become the King.
Slayer Classic simply uses a barebones weapon set.
Ambassador is a Regicide variant. Kills still earn points. However, there are also three plots on the map - Green Plot, Blue Plot, and Red Plot. They all spawn at start and are "locked" after their initial capture. Capturing a plot rewards the team with points equivalent to 5 kills. Only the King can lock down plots. Once a plot is captured, the King and all teammates that were in the plot helping to capture it are rewarded with a respective powerup - Green Plot is Overshield, Blue Plot is Speed Boost, and Red Plot is Damage Boost.
Dominion receives some changes so that it isn't a total power weapon fest like it is now.
Domain is a one-sided variant of Dominion where the Attackers start out in Sudden Death mode and the Defenders start out with all bases captured. When the Attackers manage to retake a base, it's permanent.
Invasion is Spartan vs Spartan. Rather than have the ridiculous weapon escalation of the past, TIER 1 is Pistol starts, TIER 2 are your custom loadouts, and TIER 3 uses a Phase Rifle primary (think DMR) with your secondary being whatever your main custom loadout weapon is per loadout (so either BR/Carbine/Light Rifle). Tier 1 is capturing a hill, Tier 2 is capturing a hill, Tier 3 is Capture the Core.
Invasion CTF Uses the same properties, and is essentially three-stage One Flag. The Attackers spawn next to a Core, which they must take to Point 1. After dropping the Core off, the Attackers pick up a second Core which they must take to Point 2, and the cycle repeats for the final Core.
Dreadploughts or Dread Plots is also one-sided and works like Three Plots. The Defenders spawn in an airborne Lich, which has a tractor beam allowing for infantry access. The Lich will use its main cannons on one vehicle at a time, meaning a concentrated effort is required to attack it. Damaging the Core of the Lich will not destroy it, but will disable the cannons. The Attackers must attempt to capture the first Plot, at which point the Lich will move to a second location, Plot 2 will spawn inside of it, and Tier 2 begins. Likewise for Tier 3. On Tier 3, Desecration plays. If the Attackers win, the Lich explodes.
Lich King is a bit like Crazy King. A neutral Lich spawns in the center of the map with a hill inside, and both teams will attempt to control the hill. Once that hill runs out of time, the Lich moves to the next location and Hill 2 spawns. This can use up to 7 hills.
Safe Havens is a class-based Infection variant mixed with Dominion elements. Humans have a few basic classes and must attempt to fortify bases for defense, while the Infected have 5 classes to choose from and must convert humans.
The 10th playlist is a rotating variable. While it can be used to promote things like SWAT or Grifball or Action Sack, it will generally be used for DLC promotion or corporate whoring like the Infinity Challenge. The 10th playlist is always Double EXP.
To fill the niche of some of the fun lists like Action Sack, dedicated servers could be an option, with 343 having some "Official Servers" for the more common requests like Team Snipers. While dedicated server playlists would still provide you with equivalent EXP, the main 9 playlists would be ranked, giving some incentive to play "officially" rather than just stick to the server browser.
RANKED
Halo CE Magnum and 2x Frag starts. High movement speeds, strafe and jump. 4 precision weapons are available at your base, only one of which is a Marksman-class rifle. No Sprint, Armor Abilities or Armor Mods.
8-Way FFA. Rumble Pit. Slayer / Oddball / King of the Hill / One King
2v2. Team Doubles. Slayer / Oddball / One Flag / Regicide
4v4. Team Slayer. Slayer / Slayer Classic / Regicide / Ambassador
4v4. Team Objective. CTF / One Flag / Assault / One Bomb
4v4. Team Control. Oddball / King of the Hill / Territories / Three Plots
SOCIAL
Custom Loadouts enabled. Loadout options include precision weapons, primary automatics, and Frag/Pulse grenades. Sprint may be enabled. No Armor Mods.
8v8. Big Team Battle. Slayer / CTF / One Bomb / Three Plots
16v16. Big Team Tactical. Slayer / Extraction / Dominion / Domain
16v16. Invasion. Invasion / Invasion CTF / Dreadploughts / Lich King
16v16. Safe Havens.
[DOUBLE EXP] Rotational / DLC Playlist
One King works like Juggernaut - if you kill the King, you become the King.
Slayer Classic simply uses a barebones weapon set.
Ambassador is a Regicide variant. Kills still earn points. However, there are also three plots on the map - Green Plot, Blue Plot, and Red Plot. They all spawn at start and are "locked" after their initial capture. Capturing a plot rewards the team with points equivalent to 5 kills. Only the King can lock down plots. Once a plot is captured, the King and all teammates that were in the plot helping to capture it are rewarded with a respective powerup - Green Plot is Overshield, Blue Plot is Speed Boost, and Red Plot is Damage Boost.
Dominion receives some changes so that it isn't a total power weapon fest like it is now.
Domain is a one-sided variant of Dominion where the Attackers start out in Sudden Death mode and the Defenders start out with all bases captured. When the Attackers manage to retake a base, it's permanent.
Invasion is Spartan vs Spartan. Rather than have the ridiculous weapon escalation of the past, TIER 1 is Pistol starts, TIER 2 are your custom loadouts, and TIER 3 uses a Phase Rifle primary (think DMR) with your secondary being whatever your main custom loadout weapon is per loadout (so either BR/Carbine/Light Rifle). Tier 1 is capturing a hill, Tier 2 is capturing a hill, Tier 3 is Capture the Core.
Invasion CTF Uses the same properties, and is essentially three-stage One Flag. The Attackers spawn next to a Core, which they must take to Point 1. After dropping the Core off, the Attackers pick up a second Core which they must take to Point 2, and the cycle repeats for the final Core.
Dreadploughts or Dread Plots is also one-sided and works like Three Plots. The Defenders spawn in an airborne Lich, which has a tractor beam allowing for infantry access. The Lich will use its main cannons on one vehicle at a time, meaning a concentrated effort is required to attack it. Damaging the Core of the Lich will not destroy it, but will disable the cannons. The Attackers must attempt to capture the first Plot, at which point the Lich will move to a second location, Plot 2 will spawn inside of it, and Tier 2 begins. Likewise for Tier 3. On Tier 3, Desecration plays. If the Attackers win, the Lich explodes.
Lich King is a bit like Crazy King. A neutral Lich spawns in the center of the map with a hill inside, and both teams will attempt to control the hill. Once that hill runs out of time, the Lich moves to the next location and Hill 2 spawns. This can use up to 7 hills.
Safe Havens is a class-based Infection variant mixed with Dominion elements. Humans have a few basic classes and must attempt to fortify bases for defense, while the Infected have 5 classes to choose from and must convert humans.
The 10th playlist is a rotating variable. While it can be used to promote things like SWAT or Grifball or Action Sack, it will generally be used for DLC promotion or corporate whoring like the Infinity Challenge. The 10th playlist is always Double EXP.
To fill the niche of some of the fun lists like Action Sack, dedicated servers could be an option, with 343 having some "Official Servers" for the more common requests like Team Snipers. While dedicated server playlists would still provide you with equivalent EXP, the main 9 playlists would be ranked, giving some incentive to play "officially" rather than just stick to the server browser.
Throw the whole system out for a handful of douche bags who would rather repeatedly drive a warthog off a cliff than just play the game the way it's supposed to be played. Mmkay.
Twilight Gap
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Cannot start console because you are not connected to the internet
(connects to internet)
Cannot start Halo 2 because it is not supported online
Yea, fuck that. What's the point of playing on a console then if you can buy an "online by default" PC 5 times as powerful for the same price?
If any part of this ends up being true then it's the Wii U for me.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Imagine going home from a midnight release of a big game, and you can't play online because the multiplayer servers are down
now imagine that for every single major release , single player, multiplayer, whatever
and then years from now, ya'll have to relive the single player sections through YouTube videos because the Durango servers are offline
xxjuicesxx
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I imagine the first night Xbox is sold everyone goes ONLINE to play their games. Servers crash everywhere, errors everywhere nobody can play any of their games. Everyone just bought an 800 dollar paperweight.
Ahaha what a fucking disaster that will be. MS compound better install some turrets to fight that mob.
Ahaha what a fucking disaster that will be. MS compound better install some turrets to fight that mob.
How many people play xbox 360 without it connected to Live or the internet?
There's only a few instances such as power outages, Internet is out, taking it to someone else's house etc.
Otherwise the majority of people are connected. The amount of people who don't connect their console to the internet are sadly a drop in a bucket of water.
I do think that the guy who wrote that on twitter needs to learn how to communicate with potential consumers more effectively though.
I think this will impact them on forums, much more than in real life.
There's only a few instances such as power outages, Internet is out, taking it to someone else's house etc.
Otherwise the majority of people are connected. The amount of people who don't connect their console to the internet are sadly a drop in a bucket of water.
I do think that the guy who wrote that on twitter needs to learn how to communicate with potential consumers more effectively though.
I think this will impact them on forums, much more than in real life.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
"You played that new Assassin's Creed yet?"
"Nah dawg, fuckin' MS doing another maintenance check, console won't work for a couple days"
"Nah dawg, fuckin' MS doing another maintenance check, console won't work for a couple days"
Pop
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This.
Zeouterlimits
Member
Not to jump on the hate train, but I was trying to find out more about said Adam Orth and found an interesting discssion from his time at Sony:
http://criminalcrackdown.blogspot.ie/2007/09/shitdid-he-just-say-fuck-halo.html
Now look, at the time it's a private convo between two Sony-era guys.
However, he's also the creative director of MS Studio's, presumably above 343, Microsoft's key AAAA-star franchise.
http://criminalcrackdown.blogspot.ie/2007/09/shitdid-he-just-say-fuck-halo.html
Now look, at the time it's a private convo between two Sony-era guys.
However, he's also the creative director of MS Studio's, presumably above 343, Microsoft's key AAAA-star franchise.
A lot of people play their xbox's offline.
And of they announce always online at e3 or something it's gonna be met with a massive boo and a drop in Xbox stocks
At the beginning of 2012, the number of Live accounts (silver and gold) was said to be over 40 million (so let's say it's a solid 40m just for the sake of argument). At the time, there were 66 million Xbox consoles sold. So uh, over a third of your users in the best case scenario is not a drop in the bucket.
And it is almost certainly not a best case scenario. How many of those Live accounts are alts? I think I've probably made half a dozen over the years across various regions. The number of actual Live users is likely significantly smaller. So I think it's safe to say that a significant number of users aren't connected to make an always-online machine a pretty dumb idea.
Source for numbers
Holy shit, his levels of umad are critical.
xxjuicesxx
Member
The dude worked on a bunch of PopCap games. So basically any opinion he has is invalid.
MS hires anyone these days.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Deadly Cyclone, we got a position for ya
Rickenslacker
Banned
How do you know he isn't already working for them in PR? /shamwowmylan
#hirejuices
Both are great games, Bioshock is a lot better.
Since 07
Poker Face
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Bioshock is sooooo good. Tomb Raider is good too.
Rent Bioshock.
edit: along with the cash prize, blops 2 tournament winners get these:
lol
xxjuicesxx
Member
Well I didnt know PopCap games counted as experience. Sending my bouncing ball Flash game portfolio now. Booking my plain to Bellevue now.
BlueScrote
Member
Not that the guy isn't being a dick, but there is nothing wrong with popcap games.
Pop
Member
Bioshock is sooooo good. Tomb Raider is good too.
Rent Bioshock.
edit: along with the cash prize, blops 2 tournament winners get these:
lol
That's pretty fucking sweet.
Bioshock is sooooo good. Tomb Raider is good too.
Rent Bioshock.
edit: along with the cash prize, blops 2 tournament winners get these:
lol
Quite surprised MLG didn't think of this sooner.
Demoncarnotaur
Member
MS is honestly making it hard to get invested in Halo anymore. I just don't want to stay invested and have things just keep getting worse. Still, if 343 can address the right things then they have my attention.
Zeouterlimits
Member
More hubris is not what Nextbox Rumor Gate needed. Bonkers that he could be so clueless.
Ellis said today is the first time he has heard of Orth, so likely 343 oversight is slim?
Ellis said today is the first time he has heard of Orth, so likely 343 oversight is slim?
MaximumFlipFlop
Banned
Elzar wasn't lying when he spoke of infinite. Game is simply amazing. I haven't stopped thinking about the story since I beat it last week.
Bioshock is sooooo good. Tomb Raider is good too.
Rent Bioshock.
edit: along with the cash prize, blops 2 tournament winners get these:
lol
Slick.
More hubris is not what Nextbox Rumor Gate needed. Bonkers that he could be so clueless.
Ellis said today is the first time he has heard of Orth, so likely 343 oversight is slim?
He might just work with new IP's and shit
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Infinite is great, and you guys should play it. And I didn't even really like BS1.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
So that's where the confusion is coming in, there's a big difference.
Wahrer put it nicely.
I don't think I ever understood what you were saying to be honest lol.. What do you think I'm saying?
Zeouterlimits
Member
Aye. Didn't necessarily mean much, but was interesting to find out in light of tonight's festivities all the same.
Edit: On a related note, I was feeling down and a bit shit this evening. However the resulting hype from this [and my jaw hitting the floor as it spun on] has me in a bit of a buzz. Unfortunately it's now 3am. I've work in a few hours.
xxjuicesxx
Member
Agreed. More games need great stories, but its more like every little detail has some piece of evidence for it, like they really built an insane story around a pretty simple premise. Then the setting, sound, music just make it this whole package that you simply cant not enjoy.
Also playing on Ultra at 60fps+ on my PC was awesome. No loading times at all.
I do this extremely frequently, especially for LAN and fighting game couch tournaments with my friends.
So this would suck, for me, a lot.
Oh definitely interesting.
You're a better games journalist than 95% of the industry lol
Tashi, handing out percentages like he works for IGN.
EagleBurnn
Banned
I refuse to believe Microsoft would make such an anti-consumer move, especially when no games published by MS Studios have had an always-online functionality. EDGE being the source for nearly every "always online" article and them typing up redundant ones every week or so is suspicious as well.
It doesn't make sense. There's no evidence Microsoft is going in that direction. Nearly all of the rumors are coming from one place. It isn't true. The only reason this is getting the attention it has is because Microsoft isn't saying anything, not because of the rumor itself.
It doesn't make sense. There's no evidence Microsoft is going in that direction. Nearly all of the rumors are coming from one place. It isn't true. The only reason this is getting the attention it has is because Microsoft isn't saying anything, not because of the rumor itself.
Zeouterlimits
Member
I don't know how bad always online would work out for them, especially if they come in a good enough price point BUT I can't fathom this lack of message control.
They're drumming up anti-MS/Nextbox sentiment, and that's where I see the real problem.
It was the same with W8/Metro.
Lack of message control / awareness.
They're drumming up anti-MS/Nextbox sentiment, and that's where I see the real problem.
It was the same with W8/Metro.
Lack of message control / awareness.
Awww, you're so sw...
OH. So I'm like a 6/10? Well fuck you Tashi, last time I wear my lacey unmentionables for you!
Alright. $20 says you're wrong. Loser pays by paypal. You game?
I'd be happy to be wrong, so either way I "win".
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