ViewtifulJC
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It's part of my sex appeal, I'm told
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Halo |OT2| Hyper-Athletic Speed And Mass And Weight and Power
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I only have a blast when I:
- Go positive
- Don't face Uruguay/Mexico/Antartica
- Play with friends
- Carry randoms by +20
Sadly 2 ruins with 1, 3 and to a lesser extent 4.
Garrett 2U
Member
I still honestly can't believe they are keeping armor abilities..
Jetpack, camo, and hologram are all so stupid.
Sigh... everything else I can deal with. Armor abilities though..?
Jetpack, camo, and hologram are all so stupid.
Sigh... everything else I can deal with. Armor abilities though..?
There are people who get shit on by armor lock heroes?
Oh my god you're so salty, jeez.
squidhands
Member
I know Frankie said he was ready for the backlash, but I gotta wonder how disappointed he is in some of the responses here. I'm apprehensive about some of the changes, but to proclaim so vehemently that everything is ruined is beyond ridiculous. I think it's important to take note of who this information is being filtered through; gaming "journalists".
I'll wait for the horses to open their mouths before I go batshit crazy, thankyouverymuch.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
So all the multiplayer maps are like, Danger Room simulations? I want to see the maps boot up on start-up
That would be freaking awesome!
Tha Robbertster
Member
Reading HBO right now doesn't make me happy 
BackdoorBeauty
Member
The majority of the maps that come up in matchmaking are ON DISC maps. Even when Anchor 9 comes up, people vote for Countdown or something. I'll wait for Halo 4 to get some reviews before I get into it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp6-wG5LLqE
Reading HBO right now doesn't make me happy
No official AR showcase means HBO is sad panda.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
HaloGAF fries, Now with more salt.
Im pumped from pretty much every bit of info so far, random weapon drops are going to be .. different but id imagine that its a gametype option and would be easily disabled for MM purposes (as with the loadouts)
I dont even want to visit the MLG forums because i know right now what they are going to be like, Its all redudant anyway if Halo 4 ships with custom game options that mirror reaches they will be able to make any gametypes they want.
All this talk about "Halo is dead" and "Im never playing Halo 4 MP, Preorder Cancelled. 343 killed halo" is incredibly childish, EVERYTHING mentioned that has caused a negative reaction thus far has a strong possibility of being a toggle option. Given a similar feature set to that of Halo Reach in terms of custom games we should be able to disable loadout's set spawn weapons, disable random power weapon spawns ect.
Loadouts can be a perfect addition to halo if done right, im excited to see how they turn out. Same with respec'd AA's
Im pumped from pretty much every bit of info so far, random weapon drops are going to be .. different but id imagine that its a gametype option and would be easily disabled for MM purposes (as with the loadouts)
I dont even want to visit the MLG forums because i know right now what they are going to be like, Its all redudant anyway if Halo 4 ships with custom game options that mirror reaches they will be able to make any gametypes they want.
All this talk about "Halo is dead" and "Im never playing Halo 4 MP, Preorder Cancelled. 343 killed halo" is incredibly childish, EVERYTHING mentioned that has caused a negative reaction thus far has a strong possibility of being a toggle option. Given a similar feature set to that of Halo Reach in terms of custom games we should be able to disable loadout's set spawn weapons, disable random power weapon spawns ect.
Loadouts can be a perfect addition to halo if done right, im excited to see how they turn out. Same with respec'd AA's
Demoncarnotaur
Member
Its really disappointing how vague the details are when compared to past GI cover stories. Halo Reach's cover story went into immense detail about the engine, AI, and other new features, giving us a strong sense of these features. The GI article reads like an outline with a lot of fluff, which is weird because I feel they were given a lot more info than that.
Weapons?
Grenades?
AA? (did they see them in action?)
Assassinations?
There also seemed to be a distinct lack of direct quotes or context for the new features. Its a nice article, but I expected a little less fluff. I assume they were limited by space in the magazine, but I still feel like it could have been managed better. Overall, I feel like this article should have been revealed last year rather than this late. Ah well.
Im not expecting anything from Forge one way or another. I am sure it will be in, I am sure it will be better, but beyond that, who knows. Still, all the Infinity stuff sounds really awesome. I am still frothing for more details on Spartan OPs.
Yup, if I had to guess it was the AA. Which makes me think, will we switch between Sprint and our AA with the B button? Also, are there what looks like a total of 4 grenade types in the upper left? I must say, I love the HUD in the SP screenshots. =)
Also, is it me or do Grunts look very frog like now?
Weapons?
Grenades?
AA? (did they see them in action?)
Assassinations?
There also seemed to be a distinct lack of direct quotes or context for the new features. Its a nice article, but I expected a little less fluff. I assume they were limited by space in the magazine, but I still feel like it could have been managed better. Overall, I feel like this article should have been revealed last year rather than this late. Ah well.
Im not expecting anything from Forge one way or another. I am sure it will be in, I am sure it will be better, but beyond that, who knows. Still, all the Infinity stuff sounds really awesome. I am still frothing for more details on Spartan OPs.
Yup, if I had to guess it was the AA. Which makes me think, will we switch between Sprint and our AA with the B button? Also, are there what looks like a total of 4 grenade types in the upper left? I must say, I love the HUD in the SP screenshots. =)
Also, is it me or do Grunts look very frog like now?
Poker Face
Member
Reading HBO right now doesn't make me happy
link to thread? don't usually go on HBO
just saw this... http://www.gamesfirst.com/previews/shawn/halo2/halo2.htm wut
The Librarian
Banned
Flipyap is not pleased!
ViewtifulJC
Banned
You think they would replace the Halo announcer guy? It's a reboot after all and they switched up from Marty to a new sound, and we're suppose to buy this is all training, perhaps with can go with some sexy female voice like they do in the movies.
"Game Over" = "Simulation Over", and all that jazz. If "Infinity" is such a huge part of the game, they should go all out with the presentation that this is all a gigantic training academy of sorts.
Bungie had built up a monumental amount of goodwill from the community by consistently delivering top games, people did question the armour abilities and Loadouts when they were announced, but decided to give them the benefit of the doubt, because it was Bungie. <3
343 just don't have that goodwill in the bank yet so people are bound to be more critical, and it'll only get worse for them if they don't deliver an amazing game. They know this is the case, which is why I'm surprised they've decided to take it in this direction.
You have to admire their balls, I guess.
VivaciousJazzy
Member
You dont understand that a game that is completely different out of the box from what becomes MLG settings hurts the community. Reach MLG and what the majority of the reach population plays is a problem for us because what the MLG community plays is so different from anything else in reach matchmaking. It is extremely difficult for new players to adventure into a competitive setting and its slowly killing competitive halo.
I'm really digging the new armoured gloves. They look really cool.
Can't wait to get all of that media officially on the internet so we can post it in the thread while talking about it.
Can't wait to get all of that media officially on the internet so we can post it in the thread while talking about it.
That would be hot if done well.
Tell me more
Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
Shawn is the Editor in Chief of GamesFirst! and has been with the site since 1998. He is currently occupied as a Web Technologist for PBS TeacherLine. Shawn also recently served as an adjunct lecturer in the Department of Media Study, SUNY at Buffalo, where he teaches courses ranging from new media design to critical approaches to videogames.
Shawn said:
This. Is. Real.
I'm gonna take a guess at a possible control scheme (I use Recon in Reach so it's based on that):
A: Jump
B: Melee
X: Pick up/get in/use
Y: Switch primary/secondary weapon
Left Bumper: Sprint
Right Bumper: Armor Ability
D-Pad: Choose grenade type
Left Analog: Move/click to crouch
Right Analog: Move/click to zoom
Left Trigger: Grenade
Right trigger: Fire weapon
This should cover everything, right? I don't think there'a any problem with AAs ont he right bumper, even with the jetpack, you could still move, aim and fire while holding that bumper.
A: Jump
B: Melee
X: Pick up/get in/use
Y: Switch primary/secondary weapon
Left Bumper: Sprint
Right Bumper: Armor Ability
D-Pad: Choose grenade type
Left Analog: Move/click to crouch
Right Analog: Move/click to zoom
Left Trigger: Grenade
Right trigger: Fire weapon
This should cover everything, right? I don't think there'a any problem with AAs ont he right bumper, even with the jetpack, you could still move, aim and fire while holding that bumper.
You nailed it my dear sir.
Poker Face
Member
IGN now has an article on the leak. So much for dat damage control.
Also seems like the internets have gone from "90% F U 343 U RUIN OUR GAME 10% We trust you! to 70% FU 343 U RUIN OUR GAME 30% We trust you!" since last night
Also seems like the internets have gone from "90% F U 343 U RUIN OUR GAME 10% We trust you! to 70% FU 343 U RUIN OUR GAME 30% We trust you!" since last night
ElzarTheBam
Member
I have no idea why that was happening, therefore I blame Krow.
Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
IGN is sniffing around desperate for precious clicks and ad revenue.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Its been difficult since halo 2 its not about the base game . Adaptation is not a problem if people want to be MLG/Competitive or pro gamers they will make that adjustment.
If halo remained like Halo 2 it would be a stagnant franchise by now it has to evolve or why else would people be invested in a sequel, Its pretty evident with Call of Duty at the moment people will get incredibly bored of the Same ol Same ol, It may not be evident in sales but it is in the voice of the players "MW3 is exactly like Blops" and its not a new notion its been floating around since MW2.
However change for the sake of change is not what im talking about, Reach changed and people didnt like the additions, some went back to H3 others waited the time out on H:R but people are begging for Halo 4 at this point and it could be the most successful title yet.
Gears 3 from the ground up catered to the MLG community and i dont see alot of attention coming because of that.
MLG need to adapt to the game they are given not the other way around, its arrogant to believe a dev should make a game for them instead of the mass audience and frankly they should be pleased the custom options allow them to make the game like the All mighty and perfectly balanced Game they NEVER had. Its seems the efforts from Halo 3 onward by the MLG crowd has been to make the game as much like H2 as possible.
At the end of the day we can do nothing but wait, yet the amount of Doomsayers and pessimistic comments so far is nothing short of hilarious, coming from people who have opinions based on zero hands on experience.
Firmly in the "wait and see but shit looks promising" camp
Fixed
He makes some points I agree with and some I don't, but this is a reasonable conclusion.RC Master said:
The Librarian
Banned
I seem to recall Dani saying, a while back, that he'd bet AAs would be in Halo 4.
Oh, Dani... How did you know?
Oh, Dani... How did you know?
Steelyuhas
Member
People don't want to have to salvage the game through custom options. They want to be able to sign in, and hop into a playlist that has good default settings. (Not referring to anything specific in Halo 4, just stating as a general concept.)
Look at Reach. Yes, there are options to change a lot of things, but the core game (including things like armor lock which all people on earth agree is a terrible ability) are in most of the playlists, of which there are 675 of.
BackdoorBeauty
Member
The commentary is about barriers of entry to new players (random power weapon spawns instead of static timed power weapons)
Since this is 343's first big title, they're going to want to move a lot of units on day 1 to show they can deliver a AAA title. Not having a beta (which would likely turn off existing Halo fans), and making it easier for non-Halo fans to jump into matchmaking is going to help do that. All of these changes seem to be geared towards that. They want the CoD money, not Halo money. Business is the reality.
Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
I was 100% sure that Sprint confirmed the presence of Armour Abilities. Technically, in a roundabout way, I was right.
Then again, if you read my Ten Suggestions For A Certain Remake article.. I'm essentially a Halo prophet.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Im not saying they should salvage it im saying that after a month in the wild is 343 see that something like random power weapons drops aint working THEY could fix it via custom options,
A classic playlist is a must and im relatively sure 343i know this. I would not be surprised if the game gets a classic playlist VERY early in its lifespan.
However the new game settings could actually be the shit and we wont know till we play them
I totally called the Spec Ops mode.I was 100% sure that Sprint confirmed the presence of Armour Abilities. Technically, in a roundabout way, I was right.
Then again, if you read my Ten Suggestions For A Certain Remake article.. I'm essentially a Halo prophet.
The CoD money is going to CoD.
HigherLevel
Member
I think the best thing would be for Stinkles(no offense to BSangel) himself to just write a Bulletin whenever they are allowed to speak about it and clarify what everything means. It would definitely help simmer down the anger.
Tha Robbertster
Member
Oh I agree that we should wait for more info, but for me, things he said sounded really stupid. I don't want to see this in Halo 4 and it makes me sad there are Halo fans who actually want this in Halo 4.
Domino Theory
Crystal Dynamics
The new campaign and spartan ops details sound fantastic! And that's as far as my excitement goes.
That's true. I've said it before, a Spec Ops kind of gamemode could be so much more entertaining than Firefight. Firefight is practically the same on every map while Spartan Ops can have so much more variation.The new campaign and spartan ops details sound fantastic! And that's as far as my excitement goes.
It's one of those details that just screams "devoid of context". I'm really not sure what to make of it, but I'll give 343 the benefit of the doubt until we know what exactly that means and how it will be implemented.
That's my interpretaion as well. Particularly the bit about it being as grand in scope as the campaign. I'm picturing some really brutal combat situations to progress through large parts of - perhaps entire - campaign missions, with objectives and goals that can vary. It's pretty much what I wanted Firefight to evolve into. We'll see, but hot damn am I interested.
vincent vega
Member
I was apprehensive at first too, but now I don't think its going to be too bad.
The armor abilities will probably be improved from what we saw in reach. Not as much flying around, and hopefully no armor lock.
The join in progress is a good inclusion for social, and it will probably be left out of ranked. Also, having the option to start with a dmr/br is always a good thing.
I'm optimistic about the "random" weapon drops. Like others have said, there will probably be 3 locations on that map where rocket or sniper can spawn. It would be good if there was an in game announcement 30 seconds in advanced on where the spawn will be so it's not just a big guessing game. This also promotes map movement.
The one change that I do not support at all are the instant respawns.
The armor abilities will probably be improved from what we saw in reach. Not as much flying around, and hopefully no armor lock.
The join in progress is a good inclusion for social, and it will probably be left out of ranked. Also, having the option to start with a dmr/br is always a good thing.
I'm optimistic about the "random" weapon drops. Like others have said, there will probably be 3 locations on that map where rocket or sniper can spawn. It would be good if there was an in game announcement 30 seconds in advanced on where the spawn will be so it's not just a big guessing game. This also promotes map movement.
The one change that I do not support at all are the instant respawns.
Steelyuhas
Member
That's part of my point though. Yes, that is good that they will be able to change things, but the change to random weapon spawns is clearly a deliberate design decision. It's not just going to change game-wide a month after launch.
People don't want to have to play a 'classic' playlist right out of the gate because they hate the game. I want to really like the default game (and hope that I do), and I hate fragmentation and hundreds of playlists. If I have to end up spending my time in some classic playlist, than so be it, but that is not what I want to have happen in order to get enjoyment out of the game.
The campaign and Spartan Ops stuff all sounds awesome btw.
Garrett 2U
Member
As much as I love seeing Marty's face, three posts in a row is a little much
I still think it would be cool if armor ability energy didn't recharge, and you had to pick up energy to make it work.
So it would be similar to Halo's past powerups.
I still think it would be cool if armor ability energy didn't recharge, and you had to pick up energy to make it work.
So it would be similar to Halo's past powerups.
But I can not be freaking out and still say it's an awful idea... this is perhaps the most concerning thing listed in all the information for me...
Knowledge isn't a skill, it's the implementation of the knowledge that's the skill; and knowledge is something that's available to all. It's up to the individual to seek it, or not. I'd rather have competition based on knowledge than luck. Luck, or randomness, cannot be balanced. Even if things are implemented like timers and markers noting where and when drops are made... even if the weapons are identified... it won't remove the "luck" of just being in the right place at the right time relative to the other team.
Truthfully - I have no idea how this idea was ever contemplated in a Halo title.
I still can't wait for the release - I'm definitely excited to play a new Halo, even one that has evolved... as long as that evolution is implemented well.
Tha Robbertster
Member
You see, for me, the problem is that I can't see a way (yet) where I will enjoy these ''random'' weapon spawns. Of course, if 343 can make it awesome, I'll be all in for it but I just can't imagine I will.
The Henery
Member
Like I said before in my previous long post, the most striking thing about the MP changes is their breathtaking lack of originality. Many of them are lifted wholesale from COD. Fuck COD.
Also
Sprinting jet packers guys. Sprinting jetpackers.
Anyone up for some Halo 3? GT: The Henery
Also
Sprinting jet packers guys. Sprinting jetpackers.
Anyone up for some Halo 3? GT: The Henery