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Halo |OT3| Remember Reach?
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so much for this!
Demoncarnotaur
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so, did we every figure out what type of weapon this may be:
Cause it looks awesome.
Cause it looks awesome.
Big-Macso, did we every figure out what type of weapon this may be:
Cause it looks awesome.
Rickenslacker
Banned
I'll take a guess here and say that's the Assault Carbine.so, did we every figure out what type of weapon this may be:
Cause it looks awesome.
Bregmann Roche
Member
I understand your concern regarding the DMR's scope, especially for BTB purposes, but I am less worried. If everyone has faster default move speed, sprint, faster shield recharge, useful armor abilities (that could help a player vs. long-range DMR fire) and if the large maps are designed properly, I think 3x could work.
That's a lot of ifs, I know, and the easier solution might be to just drop the DMR's scope down to 2x, but I like the idea of having a mini-sniper in the game.
I'm sorry that would hurt the role of the AR which for some reason is considered the alpha weapon in Halo devs minds... despite the fact weapons requiring accuracy - BR in H3, Pistol in ODST, DMR in Reach - were the most popular weapons, respectively. And that's with a higher amount of default SMG/AR starts in those games.
I guess it wouldn't be so bad if the AR wasn't fluffed up to be even easier to use (not having to be aiming at people to hit them in Reach says hi) compared to other weapons.
I genuinely don't understand it. I dunno if we have any impressions of the AR yet, so I can only pray that 343 gets it and doesn't crank the power up on that thing while simultaenously gimping other weapons in the name of "balance".
Biggest-Geek-Ever
Member
The tigers-having-sex launcherso, did we every figure out what type of weapon this may be:
Cause it looks awesome.
What about, instead of limiting weapons based on range, which Halo devs always screw up and butcher mightily through random mechanics, they just make the weapons harder to use? Remove spread, remove bloom, lower aim assist drastically, and step back. Kills outside the intended range become rare, but occur based on skill rather than dice rolling.
I'm LITERALLY on right now.
Hypertrooper
Member
Do you want to see me in such clothes?
HigherLevel
Member
Ok thanks for the help!
i still cant grasp why good halo players are upset about the inclusion of a noob-friendly weapon like reach's AR. seriously, who cares if shitty players can find limited success without much aiming or skill involved? a good player with a dmr, or even a pistol, will absolutely wreck a bad player using the AR.
Rickenslacker
Banned
I wonder what the present would be if ODST was the last Halo game by Bungie's hands. Would 4 still have sprint? AAs? A DMR equivalent?
Silly.Mikey
Banned
You can try it anyway, but overall my experience with "games for windows Live" on Windows 7 when the game was in fact made for Vista weren't great ones. Even the 7 compatibility options didn't change anything.
Hahaha when I got the Reach beta code I turned that shit on in record time
We don't agree on the premise; the only time I've ever felt I was rolling the dice with a weapon's precision was with bloom in Reach. That won't be an issue if it's not implemented in Halo 4. And limiting weapons by range is a critical way to balance them against one another, epecially in a game like Halo 4 where we're going to have so much overlap within the same category (DMR, BR, carbine, magnum).
Yup. Great weapon, would love to see the new AR work similarly.
Well, when you're forced to play it sometimes, that's when I have a problem with the weapon.
Nah, GAF brothers
I wonder how the MLG Halo community feels about 343 going to MLG HQ to play Halo 4 since so many of them feel betrayed by MLG. Rightfully so or not, that's just how a lot of people are actig.
AR starts? yeah, that i get (but the pistol is still pretty good - sadly, its VERY limited in clip size and spawning ammo count)
User 73706
Banned
When they said it was because of affecting gameplay, it was in a "giving full control over button layouts would probably cause plenty of new BxR-like combos to show up, thus breaking the game for everyone and messing up the gameplay experience" sense, not in an "I forgot to map a button to shoot with" sense.
Also, I say we call the new Plasma Pistol the Junior Baconator in keeping with the beta Focus Rifle tradition.
Probably worse than the times gaffers do when Frankie says he's gonna play for a bit. Poor xbl comes to a crawl for a few minutes due to all the simultaneous sign-ins.
Competitive Halo community needs to break away from MLG asap
H3's BR, after a certain distance, felt like throwing handfuls of bullets at a guy rather than shooting a 'precision' weapon. At bottom, though, I don't like the redundancy between the BR and DMR. I say pick one and make it reliable and hard to use.
The pistol is probably the most inaccurate & random weapon in the entire game, not a fan of it either.
Is there any where competitive Halo can realistically go and survive? Are there actually other successful MLG type organizations?
BackdoorBeauty
Member
The sheer fact that 343 is giving MLG a look at this point in development (7+ months prior to release) is a really good sign.
...which was the entire point. It's like saying you can't hit someone at long range with the AR. Of course not - you're out of range.
is MLG reach really less popular then some of the other games they feature?
StalkerUKCG
Banned
And then they all get off in 30 min when Frank's wife kicks him off the TV
Frank just uses that excuse so he dosnt have to show you up with all his overkills
I've been wanting it to replace the AR ever since I first used it.
There have been times where the AR has absolutely wrecked me outside of any reasonable distance.
One time I even got hit by a shotgun from Snipe Hut when I was at Ring 2 on Asylum.
Silly.Mikey
Banned
It cant hurt, but at the same time, appealing completely to them means you don't appeal to the more casuals gamers which are the people that help make COD number 1.
Nah, GAF brothers
I wonder how the MLG Halo community feels about 343 going to MLG HQ to play Halo 4 since so many of them feel betrayed by MLG. Rightfully so or not, that's just how a lot of people are actig.
Here's our thread on it. Overall no one in the Halo competitive community should be mad at Frankie visiting MLG, this is incredibly good news from everyone I talked to. Props to Frankie/343i for doing this.
ps: I worded this the best way I could without brown nosing.
It must be, why else would they nix it? I know it's not very fun to watch, but I've never cared about any of it personally.
thezerofire
Banned
It is almost certain that there is not going to be Halo at the next event. They've all but abandoned it.
I thought this most recent event, and 3 and before were fun to watch, but Reach until now has been terrible.
But that range was extremely short, and left an enormous gap in the ability to kill on larger maps/longer sight lines without a sniper. Shooting from laser to base on Valhalla, or even more egregiously, lift to lift on Narrows or P3 to car 3 on Heretic, was a total crapshoot. You shouldn't need a sniper rifle to reliably kill a guy cross-map on a Lockout remake. It's problematic even beyond the ridiculous division of the sandbox into ranges, as Halo devs are never able to achieve that balance in a fashion that is functional. A utility weapon that has a high skill gap and a high learning curve solves these unnecessary problems, as it is effective at all ranges when used properly.
i really enjoy watching it, but i dont have anything to compare it to as i never watched halo tournament play prior to reach. i just have a heard time believing games like CoD and now the fighters, draw more attention
Silly.Mikey
Banned
Honestly, i enjoyed watching Halo3 on MLG but in Reach, they were always on the same 2-3 maps it seems. Every time i tune in they're either on Zealot or the forge version of Asylum. Its like, it gets really boring when you know exactly what everyone is going to do and where they're going all the time. They never switch it up, even the weapons, its always the same...thats why theres less people watching IMO. Its exactly why i stopped.
At this time yes (even though Columbus was pretty big) but it's nothing like Halo 3 was. Can change for Halo 4.
Bregmann Roche
Member
Was it inevitable that competitive Halo on that scale would peter out? Or is this purely a function of a weak game killing enthusiasm?
Hypertrooper
Member
MLG has a monopoly in the USA right? In terms of E-sport of course.
BackdoorBeauty
Member
Yes. Not having a competitive (Ranked) playlist for MLG players made it so that there was no competitive interest in the playlist. You never know if you're playing a 50 or a 35, so there is no motivation to do well other than playing the game itself, which wasn't compelling enough to keep the interest of the population in the first place.
Halo 3 MLG was close enough to vanilla Team Slayer to make watching and playing the MLG playlist possible. At this point, they've had to remove so much stuff from MLG to make the game competitive, that it bears little resemblance to vanilla Reach.
HiredN00bs
Member
Quick, someone make a photoshop of Monopoly: MLG Edition.
And thank god for that. Were the DMR in Halo 3, you'd be on the hill on Valhalla headshotting players in their bases; Standoff shootouts would be from base-base, not along the central rock lines; Rat's Nest would have players tagging one another down the entire length of the roadway, corner to corner; Avalanche and Sandtrap would be unplayable as players traversing the open would be tagged from all directions - as they are in Reach's iteration of Hemhorrage. The center of any BTB map in Reach is a wasteland; Hemhorrage, Highlands, etc. In Halo 3 you had to close distance to engage, and players could use large sections of the map knowing they weren't going to be cross mapped from all angles. Extending the range of the BR would have demolished map design intent and player movement; just look at BTB in Reach.
BackdoorBeauty
Member
I don't know what the numbers are, but I am quite certain that the Halo 3 audience was sufficient enough to sustain a business model. Reach forced MLG to look to Starcraft and fighting games instead.
I'm glad 343 is at least showing H4 to MLG. The very best situation for them would be a numbered rank MLG v1 playlist at launch.