Make the weapon hard to use, and you avoid those problems. This is the key. Instead of massive aim assist and random bullet trajectories, consistent bullet trajectories and minimal aim assist. Skill over dice.
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Halo |OT3| Remember Reach?
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thezerofire
Banned
It may have been inevitable that it would fade a little, but really the main stimulant behind it was a lackluster competitive game. You can go back and watch some of the early Reach events, and they're really boring to watch. I think it definitely killed some of the enthusiasm. If you then go back and watch some halo 2 and 3 events, especially towards the end of those games' lifetimes, you can see a pretty clear difference.
Here's a concept: each weapon is supposed to have a role, and there's supposed to be a point to a map being big. You shouldn't be able to hit at all ranges at 100% optimal speed with a single gun.
If the BR would have been able to shoot at sniper range instantly, what would have been the point to Valhalla or Sandtrap? If everyone's going to be able to engage anyone at any distance, you might as well make every map Midship, and only model one gun for the game.
You're not rolling the dice in any Halo game with any gun, except for the shotgun in Halo 2.
Zeouterlimits
Member
So, the sniper rifle?
The 2x zoom on the BR is the main reason I prefer it to the DMR's 3x. Ruins open maps, especially Haemorrhage.
ElzarTheBam
Member
I wish, in my experience, the centre is never used, makes for some coma inducing games!
There's just no incentive to go to the middle in that map.
Edit: I just realised that's what you implied, my bad.
The Real Napsta
Member
Sounds great.
Probably because Certain Affinity discouraged you by putting teleporters on the map to let you skip it. There's a reason why teleporters fell out of favor by Bungie.
ncsuDuncan
Member
Halfway to OT4 already? You people need to stop talking about Halo and start playing Halo Trials.
Here's a concept: precision weapons should be based on skill, and should be effective up to the degree that the player is able to effectively wield them. You shouldn't be arbitrarily limited by the utility weapon just because noobs don't know how to use two thumbs simultaneously.
Que? DMR?
Why is this concept difficult to understand
ElzarTheBam
Member
And put shotguns next to them. Just a terrible thought process.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Iv just heard a horrible noise from Sai's mic someone come on Halo and play with me
HiredN00bs
Member
DMR = dice rolls
I think it would be best to wait and see how a BR with spread behaves in a game that doesn't have terrible hit detection and bullet travel time. I suspect it will end up being a much more consistent experience than the crapshoot that Halo 3 often became due to a combination of the three.
oh god, this post reminded me how i used to love BTB. now, more than ever, i'm hoping halo 4 returns the series to fun BTB and vehicle based matches
Biggest-Geek-Ever
Member
I AM playing Trials!
and it's fucking awesome *thumbs up*
The one thing that gives me hope about the BR is that gif everyone posted a few weeks ago. The H3 BR didn't have that type of range or lack of spread. If you were at needles and were trying to fight someone near training on The Pit, it was hopeless. David saying the increased spread since that build is terrifying, but I don't think it will be as bad as the BR, especially with hitscan.
Lol for real. Sign me up
Right, so the Halo 3 BR wasn't skill based and guys like me were not regularly getting demolished by the Tashis of the world. Oh wait.
Weapon ranges are not "arbitrary" but a crucial tool to design how the game plays. Shotguns have an effective range; AR's have an effective range; precision weapons have an effective range. (Note: 'precision' means the weapon is headshot-capable, not that you can shoot through the eye of a needle from a mile away.)
Tha Robbertster
Member
Sorry Stalker, I promised a friend we'd play some Arena today. Maybe after we've finished the 4 matches!
You too Elzar!
You too Elzar!
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Do you even see how you're contradicting yourself. You want guns to be based on skill but you refuse to learn the skill aspect of the DMR, which is learning to pace it properly and not jamming the trigger like you're trying to bring your controller to climax
ElzarTheBam
Member
Whore.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Reported for offensive language
ncsuDuncan
Member
You're clearly fishing for an avatar quote and I will not grant you the satisfaction.
If anyone here who knows stuff about PC gaming could help me I'd appreciate it. So I want to play Halo 2 PC, but according to that can you run it site, my laptop's graphics card isn't good enough. Although looking at the description thing it looks I should be able to. Here's the pic,
If someone could explain it to me that would be sweet.
Halo 2 Vista runs the same on Window 7 and vista, I don't know why joker was having problems with it. My system runs it and BF3 perfectly in win7. perhaps he had not installed the latest patch and graphics drivers. You do not have a graphics card according to the picture you posted though, you have integrated graphics, which means your CPU will be doing pretty much all the rendering. The CPU aint that great either. I would not expect a good experience on that system.
All he wants is to put the idea in your head. You have already lost.
At almost all ranges, on default Reach settings, jamming the trigger is the optimal route. See any number of rendered videos on bnet where random spamming wins out over pacing. It's the perfect example of devs balancing weapons through idiotic and circuitous methods. That this has to be pointed out to anyone a year and a half after the game comes out is hilarious.
He has integrated graphics, they're not on the CPU. The program probably doesn't have that class of integrated graphics so it just assumes that even though it has more than enough memory and shader support, it's not supported.
The minimum discrete card for the game is something like a GeForce 6800, any newer integrated graphics are going to be good enough.
Nope. You said yourself spamming the DMR is a dice roll. So if spamming WORKED at all ranges, you wouldn't be describing it as a dice roll, because it would have worked for you all the time. Make up your mind.
Steelyuhas
Member
I'm sorry that would hurt the role of the AR which for some reason is considered the alpha weapon in Halo devs minds... despite the fact weapons requiring accuracy - BR in H3, Pistol in ODST, DMR in Reach - were the most popular weapons, respectively. And that's with a higher amount of default SMG/AR starts in those games.
I guess it wouldn't be so bad if the AR wasn't fluffed up to be even easier to use (not having to be aiming at people to hit them in Reach says hi) compared to other weapons.
I genuinely don't understand it. I dunno if we have any impressions of the AR yet, so I can only pray that 343 gets it and doesn't crank the power up on that thing while simultaenously gimping other weapons in the name of "balance".
Dear lord at the amount of melee kills in H3.
The AR of Halo 3 and Reach is honestly the least interesting and least satisfying weapon in any video game. There is just no depth to the weapon at all.
Starcraft 2.
RebornYeti
Member
Did you ever decide on a logo?
thezerofire
Banned
That's not even close to true. The pistol in Reach is so frustratingly inconsistent.
If you mean the Anniversary pistol then yes
You amuse me.
Silly.Mikey
Banned
I have the lastest nvidia drivers and patched it, i even went into the properties and put it so that it was Vista compatible and still ran like shit.
Yes, Letters' logo won the vote.
I'm predicting a Super Jackpot Weekend to highlight it. Or probably another FF Weekly. But more than likely the SJW. I think the FF stuff came together (that me and you know about) later than time they probably push the updates for weeklies.
thezerofire
Banned
I mean the pistol in general, it's just more evident on the Anniversary one.
ncsuDuncan
Member
Do we need a theme song? We can add that in post production.
We're the HaloGAF Kids,
we're bitching and we're moaning.
It's our podcast show
with Tashi and frieeeeends...
and BWOOOOOOM.
I will be on tonight around 10pm est if anybody interested. Doesn't have to be just MLG.
That depends on the model, later integrated graphics chipsets take a lot more of the load. But from the looks of his other specs, this is a pretty old laptop. Integrated graphis chipsets from back then still did most of the rendering on the CPU.
why would you change anything from one of the greatest fps games of all time
LOL no. I said it was optimal almost all ranges. As in, it is the best bet. As in, rolling the dice is the best bet, because Bungie sucks at balancing weapons according to range. As in, precision weapons have come down to betting, because they have built in random factors implemented to protect noobs from hurted bholes.
Give him the 'kylej Complainer of the Month' award.
Actually, they adjusted the mechanics of the gun to..
Oh. You're one of those people. Carry on.