Franklinator
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And I sometimes suicide and don't bother trying to come back. My brother, friend and I got to -100 once.
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Halo |OT3| Remember Reach?
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And I sometimes suicide and don't bother trying to come back. My brother, friend and I got to -100 once.
The Henery
Member
Did you devise trueskill? Does it have compromising photos of you that it threatens to release if you don't sing its praises on internet forums?
The fact that 343 have had to come out and say 'trueskill will not function in Halo 4 as it does in Reach' suggests that even they see problems with it as it operates in Reach.
Did you try to come back from -50 in ranked matches? I very much doubt it.
"Trueskill will not function in Halo 4 as it does in Reach" reads like "we're turning up the dial on the skill parameter and using less lenient matching".
Every 360 game uses Trueskill. It's required by first party unless you're EA or an MMO. They're just going to use different parameters on the TS blackbox. It's not going anywhere.
edit: Reach just has the skill component lower than 3 did to speed up search times. They have the ability to more heavily weight skill in matching, and they've done it (although they said they wouldn't reveal which lists it was turned up in). Arena has pretty solid TS matching, because it enforces feeding TS enough data to figure out who you are, then has stricter matching on.
It's not my favorite system but it's still way more mathematically sound than fucking ELO. You don't get deranked in TS for winning like you do in ELO ranks.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
This man is right
BackdoorBeauty
Member
They should embed trueskill into the .map file though to solve problems
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
I would like to see 1-50 back, but alongside the graphical "ranks" we have now. Gives both types of people something to gain, actual levels for 1-50 based on skill and progression ranks based on completion for less competitive people (or people who like the unlock style).
I would've quit so early if the other team would've kept suiciding. That isn't fun at all...
BackdoorBeauty
Member
Its not enough just to improve trueskill matching.. your TS value should be displayed next to your gamertag in the lobby.
Hydranockz
Member
Is this your way of saying he is right and that you are wrong in this instance?
Come to the Sayper Michigan (Ann Arbor) 32 man lan that's happening May 19th. Full 3 4v4 setup, It's going to be mostly MLG settings for those thinking about going. It's free too.
Bregmann Roche
Member
There are plenty of instances where Trueskill should work but doesn't. I'm not so sure this is the best example of that though.
Finding a fair match for the very best players and the very worst is always going to be hard. Isn't that why most pros play customs?
Finding a fair match for the very best players and the very worst is always going to be hard. Isn't that why most pros play customs?
BackdoorBeauty
Member
No, its my way of never letting him forget.
The Henery
Member
So you agree with me that they see problems with the way it operates in Reach, the problem being it's far too loose in Reach? Cool, glad we cleared that up
This pedantry over trueskill is hilarious though. I and everybody else knows that trueskill is used in most 360 games. Just like everybody knows that when a poster bemoans it in the context of a Reach game, they're bemoaning it in the context of Reach, i.e the version of trueskill where skill matching is weighted so low in most playlists that it for all intents and purposes ceases to exist.
I know ranked Halo 3 used trueskill. It was a much tighter version of trueskill however. It's like having a debate about 100% bloom and 10% bloom: they're not the same thing.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Well im not going to PAX now, long story im pissed about it dont wanna talk about it.
However i am going to get myself lots of toys.
To buy or not to buy?
Anyone used these?
However i am going to get myself lots of toys.
To buy or not to buy?
Anyone used these?
Zeouterlimits
Member
Honestly this could mean anything, but I'm going to choose the positive possibility and by god does it sound like music to my ears!
Gabotron ES
Member
Karl check your PM's
So you agree with me that they see problems with the way it operates in Reach, the problem being it's far too loose in Reach? Cool, glad we cleared that up
This pedantry over trueskill is hilarious though. I and everybody else knows that trueskill is used in most 360 games. Just like everybody knows that when a poster bemoans it in the context of a Reach game, they're bemoaning it in the context of Reach, i.e the version of trueskill where skill matching is weighted so low in most playlists that it for all intents and purposes ceases to exist.
I know ranked Halo 3 used trueskill. It was a much tighter version of trueskill however. It's like having a debate about 100% bloom and 10% bloom: they're not the same thing.
Halo 3's version of Trueskill was bad. That's what happens when you try to use a player matching system as an RPG/rank progression system.
The knobs and levers already exist in Reach from 343 and Bungie's own publications and Bulletins/Updates and other admissions. It's up to them if they want to prove they can do it now or make you wait and buy a new game in November. Same with going on about how Halo 4's playlists will be focused and leaving Reach floating along with 25-odd lists..
so brave
Demoncarnotaur
Member
Anybody playing Halo? Im up for whatever, though if anyone wants to co-op some Halo Anniversary Im up for it as I still need a ton of achievements.
It seems I can't go to PAX either...having a hard time selling the GF on the idea. I dont blame her though, we are in a bad spot with money and we both want to do something nice together this summer, and PAX would make that difficult.
Don't buy them yet, I might be able to get you a discount code to use. Also they are a REALLY good system, had the mixamp for 3+ years now and it still works great, if you have a issue their customer service helps a lot.
Probably not going to Pax either, plane tickets are killer at $525+ now.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Second X4 Puck/Chatback cable just crapped out on me and i dont feel like buying another since id rather upgrade.
So you agree with me that they see problems with the way it operates in Reach, the problem being it's far too loose in Reach? Cool, glad we cleared that up
This pedantry over trueskill is hilarious though. I and everybody else knows that trueskill is used in most 360 games. Just like everybody knows that when a poster bemoans it in the context of a Reach game, they're bemoaning it in the context of Reach, i.e the version of trueskill where skill matching is weighted so low in most playlists that it for all intents and purposes ceases to exist.
I know ranked Halo 3 used trueskill. It was a much tighter version of trueskill however. It's like having a debate about 100% bloom and 10% bloom: they're not the same thing.
QFT. I have never read complaints about TS in this forum outside of the context of the game they're discussing. TS works great, but it can work in lots of customizable ways. There's no baseline to pick in this conversation.
Silly.Mikey
Banned
ElzarTheBam
Member
Even if the seas swallow the city, or it falls into a chasm, I want a Bulletin. Get on it.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Frankie write us a replacement bulletin, talk about the water, talk about anything just make sure it includes a new custom mister chief
I can't think of a better opportunity for Frankie to return and do a weekly update.
edit: beaten.
Frankie. Step up and take the reins. Like the good ole days.
Edit: SON OF A BITCH CYREN/STALKER
Did you just quote something from the first page?Dont worry, ill find something
You guys have it all wrong. Eh hmm:
Frankie, show me some exclusive shots or MP video and let me write the update.
See how that works?
Franklinator
Member
Yes, yes he did
The Librarian
Banned
"I'll be the Covenant is thinking the exact same thing."
Which is to say, I was about to make a post saying what you just said.
Poker Face
Member
YES. PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZPZZZLLZLZZL
Silly.Mikey
Banned
Barrow Roll
Member
Black Ops 2 looks like my kind of setting. I'll probably pick it up.
Le gasp, buying Halo 4 AND Black Ops 2? Unheard of!
Truth is, I thought Modern Warfare 2 was trash, liked Black Ops, wasn't remotely interested in Modern Warfare 3 and now I'm intrigued by Black Ops 2. Guess Treyarch just been doin more interesting shit.
Le gasp, buying Halo 4 AND Black Ops 2? Unheard of!
Truth is, I thought Modern Warfare 2 was trash, liked Black Ops, wasn't remotely interested in Modern Warfare 3 and now I'm intrigued by Black Ops 2. Guess Treyarch just been doin more interesting shit.
The Librarian
Banned
I can't respond to you. I have you on ignore!
Same here, might be my first day 1 cod purchase ever
Enjoy your stay in Skyrim. I got sucked into that world, so, so hard.
Silly.Mikey
Banned
I thought the opposite, i thought MW2 was a lot better. I also didnt like the purchase system and contracts. Contracts were a good idea but it didnt feel properly executed. Best part of that game was "gun game" & "one bullet". Those were awesome.
Treyarch have made my favorite games in the series as well. It's a good thing.
Hopefully I can delay the "sucking in" until after finals.
squidhands
Member
Make sure your preferences are set to:lol im on mobile, i have to get used to it it seems
Thread Arrow Go To - First Unread (should be on by default, I believe)
and make sure you tap the arrow on the thread, tapping on the thread bar will take you to the first post, as you probably already know.
mobileGAF rules all. Brilliant work, and the home screen icon makes my pants tight.
The Henery
Member
I was going to write another proper response but just a 'no' will suffice. Certainly not in its ranked playlists.
I know it can, and that it typically needs good population and fairly strict skill matching to be great. That's why the news that the playlists will be 'tight and focused' is so welcome for Halo 4, especially after the amount Reach has
ElzarTheBam
Member
User 73706
Banned
I remember going to a theater in Destin, Florida about six months ago and seeing a dude and his friend outside, one had a Mister Chief shirt. He could have been a gaffer for all I know. And agreed, we need Reach Mister Chief or Mister Six or something so we can have him be completely gray and covered in scratches and dirt or something.
Pm's checked. I'll get back to you in a couple days when I'm not solely on mobileGAF and when I'm done with finals.
TrueSkill? It's got it's issues, but at the moment it's the best we have. I've said that skill should be assigned individually per title. The biggest problem is griefers sadly.
TrueSkill? It's got it's issues, but at the moment it's the best we have. I've said that skill should be assigned individually per title. The biggest problem is griefers sadly.