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Halo |OT3| Remember Reach?
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Blue Ninja
Member
I'd only have the rank symbol appear when you're actually in ranked matches, so not like in Reach where it's with you even if you're in a campaign or custom game lobby. In essence, bring it closer to Halo 3 in that regard. The 'max rank' you describe could be something that's recorded in your service record.
lol that was the first day. I got good now
Fucking hell.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Lost my job ffs
ElzarTheBam
Member
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Later interviewing for a new job now
Barrow Roll
Member
Probably something to do with this.
But really that sucks mayne.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
It's k I got the new job it pays more
Matchmaking. I know you could always earn more XP, but I guess what I'm asking is how high could ranks feasibly go without progressing too slowly if you're bent on giving players something to always aim for?
ElzarTheBam
Member
StalkerUKCG
Banned
More hours but more pay per hour I'll be fuckin rich if this was a month earlier I'd be all over pax
Onions
For matchmaking, no, infinite ranks wouldn't work.
If TS is operating ideally, the population would sort into the ranks thusly:
Create too many ranks, and that same population will pull the top of the curve down, drastically reducing the players in each skill range (we can safely assume that no game has an infinite amount of players to make infinite ranks viable):
So basically the only way to have infinite ranks or virtual-infinite ranks is via EXP or rank progression system, where you're not using it for skill matching. You're only limited by art and how big of an integer you can store in memory to track that player's total EXP. Halo 3's per-playlist EXP change was a solid fix for the TS-only 1.0 because for a majority of the population, ranking up was virtually infinite, since they would never feasibly become 5 star EXP generals in every playlist. I mean, I considered myself a relatively hardcore player in terms of playtime for Halo 3 and I only the first General rank in two playlists
In this way I wish Reach had had per-playlist EXP-based ranks so you could judge someone's familiarity with a playlist at a glance like you could in Halo 3.
For matchmaking, no, infinite ranks wouldn't work.
If TS is operating ideally, the population would sort into the ranks thusly:
Create too many ranks, and that same population will pull the top of the curve down, drastically reducing the players in each skill range (we can safely assume that no game has an infinite amount of players to make infinite ranks viable):
So basically the only way to have infinite ranks or virtual-infinite ranks is via EXP or rank progression system, where you're not using it for skill matching. You're only limited by art and how big of an integer you can store in memory to track that player's total EXP. Halo 3's per-playlist EXP change was a solid fix for the TS-only 1.0 because for a majority of the population, ranking up was virtually infinite, since they would never feasibly become 5 star EXP generals in every playlist. I mean, I considered myself a relatively hardcore player in terms of playtime for Halo 3 and I only the first General rank in two playlists
In this way I wish Reach had had per-playlist EXP-based ranks so you could judge someone's familiarity with a playlist at a glance like you could in Halo 3.
Deputy Moonman
Member
That would work.
What the
Recoil is fucking terrible. Can't wait to have my gun flail around as I'm trying to BR someone. The "but but but it increases the skill needed to use the gun" is about the worst excuse possible too. Stop making it COD-lite.
Garrett 2U
Member
Dude look at the Conan video, the recoil hardly does anything.
Plus it is a consistent amount, so after a few days you won't even notice yourself correcting your aim.
I feel like you may be over exaggerating this issue.
Onions
For matchmaking, no, infinite ranks wouldn't work.
If TS is operating ideally, the population would sort into the ranks thusly:
Create too many ranks, and that same population will pull the top of the curve down, drastically reducing the players in each skill range (we can safely assume that no game has an infinite amount of players to make infinite ranks viable):
So basically the only way to have infinite ranks or virtual-infinite ranks is via EXP or rank progression system, where you're not using it for skill matching. You're only limited by art and how big of an integer you can store in memory to track that player's total EXP. Halo 3's per-playlist EXP change was a solid fix for the TS-only 1.0 because for a majority of the population, ranking up was virtually infinite, since they would never feasibly become 5 star EXP generals in every playlist. I mean, I considered myself a relatively hardcore player in terms of playtime for Halo 3 and I only the first General rank in two playlists
In this way I wish Reach had had per-playlist EXP-based ranks so you could judge someone's familiarity with a playlist at a glance like you could in Halo 3.
OK, thanks. So, assuming boosting/cheating can be effectively minimized, how do you deal with the problem of stagnation among higher level players who feel like they can no longer progress after a certain point? I imagine that around level 40-45 the level of competition is so high that your win/loss percentage starts to level out around 50/50 - ideally they want this since it means they're getting close hard fought games, but they also wanna feel like they still have somewhere to go. What do you do?
Bloom was a consistent amount. After a few days I'm sure you don't even notice yourself pacing your shots.
Onions
For matchmaking, no, infinite ranks wouldn't work.
If TS is operating ideally, the population would sort into the ranks thusly:
Create too many ranks, and that same population will pull the top of the curve down, drastically reducing the players in each skill range (we can safely assume that no game has an infinite amount of players to make infinite ranks viable):
So basically the only way to have infinite ranks or virtual-infinite ranks is via EXP or rank progression system, where you're not using it for skill matching. You're only limited by art and how big of an integer you can store in memory to track that player's total EXP. Halo 3's per-playlist EXP change was a solid fix for the TS-only 1.0 because for a majority of the population, ranking up was virtually infinite, since they would never feasibly become 5 star EXP generals in every playlist. I mean, I considered myself a relatively hardcore player in terms of playtime for Halo 3 and I only the first General rank in two playlists
In this way I wish Reach had had per-playlist EXP-based ranks so you could judge someone's familiarity with a playlist at a glance like you could in Halo 3.
OK, thanks. So, assuming boosting/cheating can be effectively minimized, how do you deal with the problem of stagnation among higher level players who feel like they can no longer progress after a certain point? I imagine that around level 40-45 the level of competition is so high that your win/loss percentage starts to level out around 50/50 - ideally they want this since it means they're getting close hard fought games (I realize this is also probably the case for players who plateau at level 20 or whatever), but they also wanna feel like they still have somewhere to go. What do you do?
Garrett 2U
Member
But with the DMR, the bullet placement is random.
With the BR, where you aim is precisely where you shoot.
All that changes is where you aim, which can easily be corrected in-between shots.
Where you aim is precisely where you shoot, but recoil changes your aim through no fault of your own. In a 4 or 5 shot DMR battle your reticule is going to be kicking all over and no, you cannot "easily" correct it in-between shots. In an imaginary conceptual design meeting? Yes, it's easy to control in the same way bloom can be "easily" corrected through pacing. Doesn't mean that's what happens in a real game against people, where every millimeter of control matters in a fight. Does 343 really think Halo 2, 3, and Reach didn't have skillful BR/DMR battles between players? Why add another layer of randomization on top?
Recoil is a wholly unnecessary addition to the game. Period.
in before "u havent playd it trust fronkie why u troll"
The ideal ranking system would have 50/50 ties (since your opponents would be ideally evenly matched), which is also why TS tries to put people together that it will believe will tie.
The problem with that, is that it's a pretty brutal reality and not very encouraging. Enter EXP systems, where the players get feedback / mental stimulation constantly in return for play.
You also can't make ranks hard to earn and easy to lose as that will give your players tons of loss anxiety and they'll get a high rank and never go into a list again to 'protect their rank'
ElzarTheBam
Member
Tha Robbertster
Member
That really sucks for the fans. On a positive side, the game will be better for this.
ElzarTheBam
Member
YES.
Gives me more time to dedicate to one game instead of 2 (H4 and Bioshock infinite), and easier on the wallet.
GOTY 2013 now.
EDIT: Dax, I like the angry dome better.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Ugh, delay something else, I was really looking forward to Bioshock this fall...
Hydranockz
Member
Fascinating.
Garrett 2U
Member
Blue Ninja
Member
So you want every gun to be a pea shooter? Some recoil is fine.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Good, i can devote more time to other games and get Bioshock 1 + 2 + DLC out the way before BI
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
You're just trolling now right? Almost all the footage we've seen has shown very little recoil... Some recoil is always necessary on rifles. It looks minimal in the shots we've seen though.
Calm yourself Iago.
You make it sound like you'll be wrestling with a firehose.
I had no trouble at all keeping my reticle on my target a couple of weeks ago.
ElzarTheBam
Member
SMH.
But system shock was good. But still SMH.
Wu, you have batshit crazy halo skills.
Zeouterlimits
Member
Please, people don't play PC Games
unfortunately
I'm saddened but okay with the delay. Was confident that Infinite was going be a strong personal GotY candidate.
Step up to the plate 343.
ElzarTheBam
Member
Talking about kids, Bobs' is in Oxford, apparently he's not happy with his bed.