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Halo |OT3| Remember Reach?
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neoism
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Definitely... I loved MGS 4 a lot. But this game was the best stealth game I've played in a looong time. It was my first Deus Ex too. 80 hours + loved every minute of it.
ElzarTheBam
Member
I would say this talk is not for this thread, but if it was on the podcast...
Podcast has ME3 ending ending hater hating? I don't think I can listen then. Really not a fan of people who haven't followed the controversy and not played the games taking a stance and commenting on the situation. There were just too many bad decisions, promises broken, rushed development, and lots of internal bullshit. It's not a simple matter.
I don't believe you saw the "other" endings, read about all the issues it has, or are bein stubborn. I honestly believe there is no way to actually like the ending once you give it some though and look at went on before release. I still tell my friends to play because the ride is worth it, but I don't blame others for writing it off. It basically undoes all that was established and promised.
Podcast has ME3 ending ending hater hating? I don't think I can listen then. Really not a fan of people who haven't followed the controversy and not played the games taking a stance and commenting on the situation. There were just too many bad decisions, promises broken, rushed development, and lots of internal bullshit. It's not a simple matter.
I don't believe you saw the "other" endings, read about all the issues it has, or are bein stubborn. I honestly believe there is no way to actually like the ending once you give it some though and look at went on before release. I still tell my friends to play because the ride is worth it, but I don't blame others for writing it off. It basically undoes all that was established and promised.
It's talked about for a few minutes, nothing big.
Ah. Maybe I'll still listen, but outsiders commenting is still a sore spot for me.
The Librarian
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Yeah. I apologize if I made the ME3 discussion seem bigger than what it was, but that part didn't sit well with me. I was also hesitant to post about this kind of thing in this thread, but I ultimately did so because it relates to HaloGAF...and I managed to relate it to Halo games!
Bornstellar
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Other endings aside, it seems there are a few gigantic decisions which dramatically affect the outcomes of some of the "priority" missions. I'm actually sad that I was spoiled on them in the spoilers thread because now it won't be a surprise when I play the game again with a different shep.
Now for some Halo posts.
Ageed. I'm done with McFarlane. They are shitty. Movement and articulation on them are terrible. It take so much work to get a figure to both stay standing and not be in some retarded pose. The detail on them is crappy too. Maybe it's the price point but I'm disappointed by them and have sworn them off.
Hoping the 3A figures are a practice run for Halo 4. They look way good but I'm no longer interested in Reach figs.
I hate guests in Halo so bad to the point that I want them completely gone or totally limited to a few playlists. They ruin the experience exponentially and for nothing. No additional sales. They might have fun sure but they ruin it for everyone else that did pay for it in the round. I know they'll be allowed still but I hope to hell they get limited in 4.
Ageed. I'm done with McFarlane. They are shitty. Movement and articulation on them are terrible. It take so much work to get a figure to both stay standing and not be in some retarded pose. The detail on them is crappy too. Maybe it's the price point but I'm disappointed by them and have sworn them off.
Hoping the 3A figures are a practice run for Halo 4. They look way good but I'm no longer interested in Reach figs.
I hate guests in Halo so bad to the point that I want them completely gone or totally limited to a few playlists. They ruin the experience exponentially and for nothing. No additional sales. They might have fun sure but they ruin it for everyone else that did pay for it in the round. I know they'll be allowed still but I hope to hell they get limited in 4.
Well then you will be sore because I knew nothing outside of headlines and some things I've read on GAF lol. Just skip over when it comes if you want, it's at the end of the 2nd segment.
I have a few
Cue Blue Ninja disappointment. Cue Karl disappointment. Cue Xand disappointment.
Well why the hell were you in the spikes thread dummy? Game has questionable things for sure and ending aside its not the ideal ending to the trilogy but it's worth a play I think.
What the fuck man?
It turned into gamers vs Bioware vs game journalism. Most gaming sites went totally off base and were complete dicks. The ending hoopla is a complex and unprecedented one. Really can't comment unless you played em all and followed it all closely, it's its own beast. I may as well listen since I've already spoke my mind on it. Haha
Well why the hell were you in the spikes thread dummy? Game has questionable things for sure and ending aside its not the ideal ending to the trilogy but it's worth a play I think.
What the fuck man?
It turned into gamers vs Bioware vs game journalism. Most gaming sites went totally off base and were complete dicks. The ending hoopla is a complex and unprecedented one. Really can't comment unless you played em all and followed it all closely, it's its own beast. I may as well listen since I've already spoke my mind on it. Haha
lol I'm just being straight up. I'm like 2/3 done with ME2 and don't own ME3 yet.
HiredN00bs
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It was a really nice idea to open up all the playlists to guests, but they really have a detrimental effect on close skill matching. Halo 3's system of Ranked and Social lists worked with guests in a way that provided better results.
I also don't think it's accurate to say they don't add sales, because they're probably the most prevalent way non-players that become new players are introduced to the game.
Had the opposite effect on me. I was really addicted to it but it went away. Got bored with it after a while.
Then they added all the new health, food, etc. Renewed my interested. Ender Dragon gave me a goal to work toward. I would have waited to buy the X360 version until they added it in. But I got it fo free.
Edit: not going to bother. Dax, in your post you clearly didn't understand what I was saying, though that may be my fault for not being clear. But I won't derail further with a longer explanation.
Sorry my mic sucks. I'll pick up a new (hopefully less crappy one) one before I record another podcast.
Sorry my mic sucks. I'll pick up a new (hopefully less crappy one) one before I record another podcast.
The Real Napsta
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Anyone play Imago yet? I played it twice and I like it so far.
I wish there was a way to track that metric. Maybe that is true when a Halo game first releases but I highly doubt it at this point. I've had a few guests with Reach, and none went on to buy it. In fact, they don't even have Xboxes. Some were young nephews and some were same age friends. All were nubs. None bought.
Tha Robbertster
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I really liked image the 1 time I played it. It had a nice map flow and the map itself wasn't all gray which also is a nice change of pace.
HiredN00bs
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Why is it reasonable to demand programmers to re-write code but not writers to re-write story?
I haven't followed the ME controversy at all, but it would be hilarious if they devised 50 different endings that each amounted to a splash screen with a few paragraphs.
I didn't say most guests are influenced to buy, rather that most new purchasers have been guests at some point which promoted their decision to buy. You could survey new players to ask what motivated them most to buy the game.
The Real Napsta
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I still want the MLG pit with the default pit weapon layout in super slayer. Do it up Fyrewolf
I edited for a reason. Not ignoring you, just saying I don't want to further derail.
Edit: god dammit people.
I can remove this if you so wish, but you having not played or followed closely I don't think you can really say much and really have a valid point.
Because they done fucked up. PR machine hyped up all his stuff and promised things would matter but it totally fell through. They had a scaled back timeframe yet their goals were ambitious as ever. Evidence and on disc content exists for possible planned ending were cut and a new one shoehorned in by only the lead writer and exec producer, locked out all input from studio and other writers. Tried to play it as artistic integrity, but that's just bullshit. There's oh so much more but you just won't understand with out playing and reading for days. I know you of all people would change your tune if you did though.
StalkerUKCG
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For plywood (and any one else who is interested), click to make bigger.
Got a Geralt (witcher) save just started aswell, going to start a some others aswell, Leonidas (300) and a member of the Nightswatch.
Halo |OT4| I edited for a reason
Well where we got into in the podcast was basically the difference between things being subjectively bad vs objectively bad. The story itself in games or other mediums is subjective. Where as things like balance, glitches and other similar things are objective. I think that that is where the line is drawn as far as what is expected to be able to change.
I've hardly played any of the new maps so I can't really judge them but as far as the other maps go these are the only maps that I don't mind playing:
- Select
- Synapse (updated version)
:/
No no! Not getting off that easy. You have to give me a list of maps that aren't in Matchmaking that you would like to see in MM. (Refuge can't be one)
I really should let this go hahaha.
I'd agree nearly always but ME3 is so bad the ending is actually objectively bad. It isn't like Reach, it's on a whole other level and ties into gameplay over 3 games. Whatever outsiders won't understand. :/
I don't think they seem to care about actually selling when they release a disc that literally prevents you from buying the game's DLC. Seriously:
1) Every single copy of Anniversary comes with a code for the map pack.
2) This means if you have base Reach, you now have Anniversary for free(ish). You have no real reason to play Reach via the Anni disc at this point.
3) If you buy Anniversary used, you'd have to rebuy Anniversary to use in mainline Reach.. but you also cannot buy Defiant or Noble for use via the Anniversary disc. The disc doesn't even provide a path to being upsold to other content. It doesn't even have a menu option to upgrade to the full version via Games on Demand like the Reach demo does.
Someone, anyone, explain to me what the purpose of playing via the Reach Anniversary disc was, because Reach would have been a hell of a lot better off if they had just included a code for Anniversary.
The Real Napsta
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They should have just included forge world on the disc too.
HiredN00bs
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Interpretation of quality of gameplay is just as subjective. What determines an objective failure in programming is whether the program meets the design specifications, a.k.a. does it do what it is supposed to do? Reach and Halo 3 were objectively excellent, i.e. mostly free of glitches. People had problems with the quality of the design, i.e. they didn't like the way it played.
Having a bridge map between the two discs and THE Halo 1 map would have made too much sense. Clean out your desk.
It's 6 months after Anniversary came out and you still can't play Classic on Blood Gulch in matchmaking.
I'm really hoping 343 will one day update Team Doubles with proper maps meant for 2v2. I think Forge really shines the most with maps of that size because you're more free in touching up the map instead of giving up looks for playability. I'd especially like to see Angst made by The Xamplez in matchmaking (it's on Forgehub). Really enjoyed playing that map and it looked pretty unique too (if not a bit grey).
For 4v4 I wish Fenris made it into matchmaking. That map is great for KotH (without random hills, damn you Bungie) and Slayer. It's also unlike any other map I've seen before. One of the few good asymmetrical Forge maps I've seen.
If Basis was splitscreen compatible it should've made matchmaking too. It's not necessarily the most original maps ever created but it worked really great. Works well, for Slayer, CTF, Bomb and especially KotH.
Refuge
Aka balance and glitches? Those are pretty objective in my opinion but it definitely changes on a case by case basis.
There are however different expectations from both the gamer and developer in terms of what can actually be changed and what can't be. It is understood on both sides. Games are constantly being patched and updated with user feedback in mind.
But I guess I should have been more clear. It's more story that's subjective and shouldn't be changed vs either objective gameplay elements(broken, glitchy, unbalanced) and subjective gameplay elements(what we bitch about here mostly)
Different expectations.
lol I'll check out Angst. And so you know, I've been pushing Fenris for over a year. It is a great KoTH map but most aren't impressed with the way it plays other gametypes so it hasn't made it far.
Is Angst the only other map you're interested in (outside of your own maps, that is)?
You just reminded me of how many times I've tried to get Foundation in.
edit: and Oblivious for Infection.
Super crude analogy, but to me it's the difference between getting a book that's not bound properly so all the pages fall out (reasonable to demand the publisher fix it) and one with a disappointing ending (they're not rewriting it, cope). That's roughly my expectations for balance/bugs vs. story in games.
This line of thinking is subjective though.
*shakes fist*
Not bad, face could use a little work but that is likely the fault of the game itself.
For plywood (and any one else who is interested), click to make bigger.
Got a Geralt (witcher) save just started aswell, going to start a some others aswell, Leonidas (300) and a member of the Nightswatch.
bobs...onGaf
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From what I understand peoples problems with Mass Effect aren't simply to do with the latter though? Its easy to say its the ending which is bad, but that's not necessarily because of the writing, its because 3 games worth of variables and decisions where not used, despite it being intended that they would influence that part of the game? Essentially the plan was to collect all that data and use it in an interactive and meaningful way, and that plan didn't work out. So I think its more the fact that there was only really one ending rather than that one ending being bad which is what people disliked?
I would be pretty gutted if I made difficult decisions over 3 games only to find that in the end all of that stuff was moot.
Then again I am about as much of an outsider as you can find when it comes to this discussion, I have no idea what actually went down. Im just talking based on limited knowledge. I also have no stake in what happens with Mass Effect. I certainly dont expect anything to get rewritten lol. (Based on the fact they presumably track all the user decision points, perhaps a DLC could come out which uses some fancy algorithm to give proper closure to each individual, but I dont expect the core game itself to change.)
^^ Bobs basically got it.
Agreed. ME3 ending is not simply story though. It actually falls into balance and gameplay. Almost a bug even considering they ran out if time to finish it properly.
With that I'm moving on as we could discuss it for days as done in the ME threads.
Edit: Sorry podcast guys, I appreciate the effort. Will listen soon.
Agreed. ME3 ending is not simply story though. It actually falls into balance and gameplay. Almost a bug even considering they ran out if time to finish it properly.
With that I'm moving on as we could discuss it for days as done in the ME threads.
Edit: Sorry podcast guys, I appreciate the effort. Will listen soon.
I mentioned Basis too!
There are probably more but I can't think of them at the moment. Mostly talking about the Team Slayer task anyway.
I really think there should only be a handful of Forge maps in matchmaking as 99% just isn't good enough. They're fun to play in customs every now and then but that's about it. And because there's a rarely a really good map made in Forge I also think there should only be 1 or 2 Forge maps in each playlist. If there would only be so few Forge maps in MM people would probably also complain less about all of them looking grey and similar to each other.
Just looking at the amount of Forge maps in Team Slayer makes me disgusted, and I say that as someone who Forges regularly. 19 Forge maps and only 6 on-disc non-DLC maps? That's crazy. I'd rather have a few good maps that a shitload of terrible and mediocre maps (like is the case right now).