I've played it a bit, but I personally have no issue with it. But it seems from various posters on here that in Arena/Slayer Pro it often involvers players camping top lift with "power weapons" and usually is already deciding the game. In my view, the map doesn't have a good flow unless you're playing Slayer. CTF is pretty awful, though I would love to try Team Headhunter for it. Curious to why we haven't gotten that mode in the beta.Ramirez said:
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Halo: Reach Beta Thread
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UltimaPooh
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Striker said:
I imagine it's easier to find bugs in FFA.
Stabby McSter
Member
I find the raining grenades thing less true on bigass maps. Especially Invasion.Ramirez said:
soldat7 said:
Can't say that when the beta is broken with the overpowered nades and Mortal Kombat close combat.
See a lot of potential though.
AAs are great.
DMR and pistol have been tweaked and are great. BR was too useful in all situations and DMR is more specialized to particular situations.
Dynamic reticle is a good thing. Halo 3 had weapon fire spread so I have a hard time understanding the complaints other than the DMR has been made a bit more unwieldy.
Lots of good and lots of potential but the beta was marred with a bland Invasion gametype and overpowered nades and melee.
It can be a very good FPS. Not one of those expecting Halo 3 + 1. The whole AA deal told me that it was aiming to be something different. What I can't stand though...is an imbalanced and broken game and thus far this beta has been that.
les papillons sexuels
Banned
the awesome power of teamwork.
2v4 victory.
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=1101472
full game.
2v4 victory.
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=1101472
full game.
les papillons sexuels
Banned
they need to bring in the silienced SMG for the Spartans, starting with pistol is a bit one sided.
les papillons sexuels
Banned
Iknos said:
what exactly is imbalanced?
KidA Seven
Member
I personally like Halo 2 and Halo 3 (mlg 3) more than Reach Beta by a tiny amount. The Reach Beta has tons of potential though, which is why I really want to change the base player speed. That change itself will improve the game by making the jumps a little higher than now but at the same time still lower than the Halo 3 jumps, and bringing back strafing in 1v1s back to it's effectiveness in other Halos. I personally would like the DMR 4 shot to speed the game up a little more, but it's not something I would hate if it wasn't changed, it's just a personal wish.
Hopefully the maps are as good as Halo 2's...
Also, I would prefer melees to be a 3 hit kill and it would better demonstrate to players that shooting is more effective, as opposed to the melee system that tries to do that right now but fails. Someone sprinting at you and meleeing you twice is still more effective than straight out shooting, waiting for 1 melee to kill. That is just a minor negative though, nothing big.
Hopefully the maps are as good as Halo 2's...
Also, I would prefer melees to be a 3 hit kill and it would better demonstrate to players that shooting is more effective, as opposed to the melee system that tries to do that right now but fails. Someone sprinting at you and meleeing you twice is still more effective than straight out shooting, waiting for 1 melee to kill. That is just a minor negative though, nothing big.
Giraffetastic
Neo Member
Hi all,
I've been reading this thread & playing the beta for the last couple of weeks (ish), and I just wanted to jump in and say thanks for the comments from everyone about tips, tactics, thoughts on the game etc.
I'm a very average player but the tips have certainly helped, and I'm really enjoying the beta.
I think, like another poster, I'd stopped playing the Halo 3 beta by this point, but I'm still really enoying Reach. Not too keen on invasion but I've only played 1 or 2 games of it so far.
Anyway, thanks again, maybe I'll see some of you on Live when you'll undoubtedly be putting bullets through my forehead.
PS the Focus Rifle seems rather overpowered to me.
I've been reading this thread & playing the beta for the last couple of weeks (ish), and I just wanted to jump in and say thanks for the comments from everyone about tips, tactics, thoughts on the game etc.
I'm a very average player but the tips have certainly helped, and I'm really enjoying the beta.
I think, like another poster, I'd stopped playing the Halo 3 beta by this point, but I'm still really enoying Reach. Not too keen on invasion but I've only played 1 or 2 games of it so far.
Anyway, thanks again, maybe I'll see some of you on Live when you'll undoubtedly be putting bullets through my forehead.
PS the Focus Rifle seems rather overpowered to me.
I had a lot of fun with the game tonight, mainly because we were just playing Grab Bag against really bad people, but ya know. I don't really like the competitive side of the game at the moment, but it's still fun to dong on scrubs.
19 game winning streak in GB tonight. :lol
19 game winning streak in GB tonight. :lol
As someone that played Halo 3 non stop until Reach Beta came out i can say with absolute conviction, Halo 3 is now obsolete.
I love everything, most of all the grenades. They act like grenades now. People didnt fear grenades in Halo 3, if someone threw one nobody took extra measures to avoid it, unless it landed under your feet. Players in Reach take extra caution, which changes up the gameplay quite a bit.
I simply cannot wait to see what they have instore for the the final game.
This is not Halo 2. I hope they dont change too much about Reach when its released, especially the grenades. Im having more fun than i have with the others.
I love everything, most of all the grenades. They act like grenades now. People didnt fear grenades in Halo 3, if someone threw one nobody took extra measures to avoid it, unless it landed under your feet. Players in Reach take extra caution, which changes up the gameplay quite a bit.
I simply cannot wait to see what they have instore for the the final game.
dslgunstar said:
This is not Halo 2. I hope they dont change too much about Reach when its released, especially the grenades. Im having more fun than i have with the others.
Ajemsuhgao
Member
2Good4u said:
Of my last 10 games of Invasion Slayer played, Elites won 7 times. You guys suck as Elites, it seems.
But, in theory, Spartans should dominate in Invasion Slayer, because they start with the pistol. But that isn't how it is.
Photolysis
Banned
I think Reach definitely has a huge amount of potential. Certain aspects of the sandbox have really impressed me, particularly how each weapon now has it's own niche, which is more reminiscent of H1.
With regards to reticle bloom, I'd rather see that removed for precision weapons and just have the rate of fire locked slower. Bloom is great for rapid fire weapons like the AR because it provides feedback on just how inaccurate your shots are. It's like health in H3, this was there in previous games, just not directly visible. Making it visible allows the player to make more informed choices.
But for precision weapons it just introduces RNG, and that's extremely frustrating. Being nailed in the head by people firing 2x as fast as you due to luck does not feel satisfying, it feels like being cheated. Statistically yes, it happens less than you should win if you're taking controlled shots, but it leaves a very bad taste when it does happen.
With regards to the base player traits (speed and jump height), I think that's a huge problem. The jump height results in getting stuck over what feels like trivial obstacles, which breaks the flow of the map (getting to the grenade launcher on Powerhouse is the one I have in mind here). The player speed (sans sprint) makes it feel like a long time before you can get around, which slows things down.
I'd say part of the problem is that the maps seem to expect you to have jetpacks if you want to get the same sense of movement you could get in earlier games. Two of my favourite maps, Midship and Lockout were partly as good as they were because there were so many ways to get around. If you had required a jetpack to get around them anywhere near as freely, then they would have played horribly. Okay, Bungie don't want the jetpack to be almost useless, but you can still have it open up new ways to get around without greatly restricting things for those on foot.
The other main issue I think is Armour Lock. It's not the concept I find bad, just that at the moment it acts like a giant reset button (plus blocking melee attacks whilst instantly draining shields... don't get me started). Previously to reset a fight it would take good coordination to pull off effectively and reliably. If it were tweaked to give you a limited opportunity to block attacks with good timing, instead of a spammable reset button then I reckon that would help a lot.
With regards to reticle bloom, I'd rather see that removed for precision weapons and just have the rate of fire locked slower. Bloom is great for rapid fire weapons like the AR because it provides feedback on just how inaccurate your shots are. It's like health in H3, this was there in previous games, just not directly visible. Making it visible allows the player to make more informed choices.
But for precision weapons it just introduces RNG, and that's extremely frustrating. Being nailed in the head by people firing 2x as fast as you due to luck does not feel satisfying, it feels like being cheated. Statistically yes, it happens less than you should win if you're taking controlled shots, but it leaves a very bad taste when it does happen.
With regards to the base player traits (speed and jump height), I think that's a huge problem. The jump height results in getting stuck over what feels like trivial obstacles, which breaks the flow of the map (getting to the grenade launcher on Powerhouse is the one I have in mind here). The player speed (sans sprint) makes it feel like a long time before you can get around, which slows things down.
I'd say part of the problem is that the maps seem to expect you to have jetpacks if you want to get the same sense of movement you could get in earlier games. Two of my favourite maps, Midship and Lockout were partly as good as they were because there were so many ways to get around. If you had required a jetpack to get around them anywhere near as freely, then they would have played horribly. Okay, Bungie don't want the jetpack to be almost useless, but you can still have it open up new ways to get around without greatly restricting things for those on foot.
The other main issue I think is Armour Lock. It's not the concept I find bad, just that at the moment it acts like a giant reset button (plus blocking melee attacks whilst instantly draining shields... don't get me started). Previously to reset a fight it would take good coordination to pull off effectively and reliably. If it were tweaked to give you a limited opportunity to block attacks with good timing, instead of a spammable reset button then I reckon that would help a lot.
riceandbeans
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Ajemsuhgao said:
That's the power of teamwork!
Or unbalanced skill levels within teams.
Ajemsuhgao
Member
riceandbeans said:
I'd generally get 20+ kills as an Elite, so that probably has something to do with the fact that Elites would generally win in my games >_>
KidA Seven
Member
Photolysis said:
Agreed. Reach has tons of potential, and the things you proposed will make huge impacts on past Halo gamers while still keeping Reach feeling new and improved.
The Librarian
Banned
Won't the feel of the game basically be the same for Firefight and campaign? I asked you about that when we were playing awhile back. I think I asked, "Ghal, given how you feel about multiplayer, do you think it'll affect your enjoyment of the campaign?"GhaleonEB said:
Reach beta doesn't have a map as good as Valhalla, Guardian, or The Pit. Therefore, you are wrong.zewone said:
There are a lot of good ideas about this post.Photolysis said:
mr afghan jones
Neo Member
Bloom on the precision weapons is great, I really like those moments when your opponent is blazing shots wildly and you just calmly line up the headshot and drop them.
Its great, although I do get the issue about random headshots happening when firing rapidly. Hard to remove this though I think.
Part of that may change as you get more used to the ranges for each weapon and at what distance different firing rhythms are appropriate. Your paced DMR 5 shot kill at range isnt going to cut it when up close when a rapid fire blitz is going to be better. I think its the middle ground between those two extremes that people are finding tough to take as thats where it changes over and is harder to pick between slow and steady or all guns blazing.
Melee and grenades definitely need a tweak (already underway as I understand it) and that will really change up the feel and pace of encounters.
Could Arena matchmaking try and put full teams of 4 together and individual players together in separate games? At the minute its totally pot luck if you go in on your own in a team of randoms and end up facing a team of 4 buddies you will lose every time.
Edit: Yes, also hoping for some more traditional symmetrical 'arena' style maps in the full game.
Its great, although I do get the issue about random headshots happening when firing rapidly. Hard to remove this though I think.
Part of that may change as you get more used to the ranges for each weapon and at what distance different firing rhythms are appropriate. Your paced DMR 5 shot kill at range isnt going to cut it when up close when a rapid fire blitz is going to be better. I think its the middle ground between those two extremes that people are finding tough to take as thats where it changes over and is harder to pick between slow and steady or all guns blazing.
Melee and grenades definitely need a tweak (already underway as I understand it) and that will really change up the feel and pace of encounters.
Could Arena matchmaking try and put full teams of 4 together and individual players together in separate games? At the minute its totally pot luck if you go in on your own in a team of randoms and end up facing a team of 4 buddies you will lose every time.
Edit: Yes, also hoping for some more traditional symmetrical 'arena' style maps in the full game.
The Librarian
Banned
I disagree, but I think the combination of good gametypes on good maps make up for it. Plus you have Forge and custom games. As it is, I can't say I enjoy any objective game in the beta - not even one flag. Stockpile has potential, and it looks like it will meet that potential in the fall, but the maps currently out are just unsuitable for objective games.zewone said:
Diablohead
Member
Did you teabag!!??zewone said:
Stripper13
Member
Diablohead said:
While we're on the topic - there are some serious retards out there.
I played an Arena match, 2 of my team left, and the game became 2v4 on swordbase. The enemy team camped the elevators with Shotguns, Plasma Launchers, Swords etc - and all had Jetpacks - so if we killed one/two, they flew straight back and set-up perfectly still to ambush us when we approached.
Fair enough, I can cop a bad game because of some leavers, and I can understand these people using it as a means to maximise their K/D ratio and rating against us. However, I managed to kill one with a pistol, and as I ran around the corner, I got shotgunned by his partner. I die, the shotgunner proceeds to stand over me and tea-bag, and then another team-mate runs over and tea-bags me also. Now I'm not one for honour etc and all that shit... but wow, seriously immature. It was bad enough that they were playing 'dirty' against a mere 2 of us, but then to taunt when we had zero chance without power weapons.
Anyways, I dunno - it didn't annoy me - but just made me question the brains and thought processes of some of these people. I can understand a taunt after an amazing kill or as revenge. But really, there was no skill involved, and certainly not from 2 of them :lol
bobs...onGaf
Member
Ramirez said:
Haha, agreed. Halo Reach definatly does not suck, but its certainly not the Halo experience I personally look for. I think ill have my fun in BTB - I actually like the Arena, but until I understand how it works im avoiding it, I got 2 terrible ratings last time I played and only had time for 1 more game, playing with the same 'friends' who betray for sniper didnt seem like a good idea so I called it a day.
Prine, the Halo 3 grenades where lethal, if one of those hit you, you were left very vulnerable, the Halo 3 nades also behaved a lot more bouncy, meaning I could bounce them off walls into camping spots. I cant even use them on the people camping Swordbase lift room without exposing myself anymore. The Reach grenades are lethal, but detract from the game, why shoot when you have mini nukes?
There are more than 1.5 million people playing CoD on a weekly basis?
http://majornelson.com/archive/2010/05/11/live-activity-for-week-may-3rd.aspx
wut.
Stripper13
Member
remz said:
Yeah I know... but wow. I never really understood the concept to begin with - but I've seen heaps of them in Halo, not really in too many other shooters. I guess I'm still new to the online shooter environment.
divisionbyzorro
Member
Stripper13 said:
Most of them are doing it to be shitheads, but some are deliberately trying to mess with you. Don't let it get to you, or you'll find your quality of play goes down because you're angry.
squidhands
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I love you.urk said:
Trickster said:
I personally think Blueblur's coworker is ignorant. You can not like Reach beauce of it's gunplay, blooming, move speed, jump height, etc. But to say that you'd rather watch videos of Halo 3? He either is really mad that he can't/hasn't played Reach or he's just dumb.
If you were to watch a video of Halo 3 and then watch a video of Reach. There is no way in hell you could say "Halo 3 looks more fun."
I like Reach. I stopped playing Halo 3 because I was losing interest and it wasn't fun. It needed another dynamic. It was obvious with the competition as strong as it is (MW2) that Bungie had to make Reach more fun. I don't agree with all of the changes they made to fundemental gameplay, but the addition of AAs and the already better maps are a welcomed change and one that will keep me playing Reach.
divisionbyzorro
Member
I played a grand total of 13 ranked matches in Halo 3. The rest of my time was spent in Action Sack (I'm a sergeant in Grifball :lol), because I could never take the game seriously. I've already played 75 matches in the Halo: Reach beta, and I really enjoy it. So they're doing something right in my book.
bobs...onGaf
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NJ Shlice said:
I personally think Halo 3 videos are a lot more interesting because of the increased movement/ jump height/ no bloom = more clutch plays. I honestly havent seen a non Sniper Reach multikill that hasnt involved something fairly cheap like the Rockets.
That being said I agree with the rest of your post, Bungie is a business and took the smart step of changing shit up to compete with games like CoD.
divisionbyzorro said:
This is very extreme, but imagine the next CoD game has super floaty jumps, no movement bloom, no sprinting, but generally faster movement. A load of CoD fans would be like "Wtf", while a lot of Halo fans would be like "I played a grand total of 13 matches in MW2 because I could never take the game seriously. I've already played 75 matches in the new CoD, and I really enjoy it. So they're doing something right in my book."
Very hyperbolic, and probably a bad way of getting my point across, but meh.
Schmitty
Member
So I really think vehicles should not have their own health. It's ridiculous that a Banshee can be taken down in seconds by just having a few Spartans focus DMR fire on it. Sure, it's cool that I can survive 4 shots from a launcher when I first get in the Warthog, but not soon after I'll be shot by a Repeater for a few seconds and I'm dead. Vehicles really feel useless this time around, especially on a crammed Boneyard.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Schmitty said:
I agree with this but only for the tanks. The fact that my wraith or scorpion only lasts seconds if more than one person decides to shoot me is a bit crazy.
Shake Appeal
Member
Who has stopped strafing? :lol