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[Sikamikanico]

I'm hoping for some kind of news on the March Playlist Update. Specifically, the Classic Playlist. Have high hopes for it!

 

[Gui_PT]

If you're willing to play with a Junior, I'll be on late tonight. Wouldn't mind playing.

GT: Big Boss 0DIN (yes, that's a zero)

I wouldn't not play with you just because you're a junior. Heck, I play with that Barrow Rod(or whatever his name is) junior all the time

Haven't been playing much of it because of the Weapon Pick up.

Yeah, unfortunately is just turns into a FRG fest after the 1st couple of waves =\

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

An honest headbutt from Shishka would cause pain and suffering at the molecular level.

He's BONK?!?!?

If you're reading this Shishka, please don't hate us, or headbutt the planet.


DOMINO, WAKE UP DUDE, WE NEED YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[GhaleonEB]

Same :/

Haven't been playing much of it because of the Weapon Pick up.

Yup. Every game is FRGfight, and he already described exactly what needs fixing (disable pick ups and hazards on certain maps).

Juices: Shishka left Bungie a month and a half before Reach shipped. In large part, I think the state of the launch playlists was because of that disruption, before NoF got going. The playlists were a mess, but things getting handed off between suddenly outgoing and incoming team leads tend to be.

 

[Kujo]

Still want

Dammit, I scroll through and see that...

/cries

 

[O D I N]

I wouldn't not play with you just because you're a junior. Heck, I play with that Barrow Rod(or whatever his name is) junior all the time

Well that's reassuring. I just got the impression from other threads that juniors were hated. That, or my sarcasm radar is broken. Which is also a strong possibility.

But cool, maybe I'll catch ya online.

 

[A27_StarWolf]

Well that's reassuring. I just got the impression from other threads that juniors were hated. That, or my sarcasm radar is broken. Which is also a strong possibility.

But cool, maybe I'll catch ya online.

If they won't play with us, then I will play with you.

 

[Hey You]

Yup. Every game is FRGfight, and he already described exactly what needs fixing (disable pick ups and hazards on certain maps).

Whats weird is, FRG Fight was added to Score Attack when FF Arcade Came back.


The Score Attack Version has Weapon Pick Up Disabled, but the Arcade version still has it enabled.

 

[squidhands]

Well that's reassuring. I just got the impression from other threads that juniors were hated. That, or my sarcasm radar is broken. Which is also a strong possibility.

But cool, maybe I'll catch ya online.

 

[Slightly Live]

Well that's reassuring. I just got the impression from other threads that juniors were hated. That, or my sarcasm radar is broken. Which is also a strong possibility.

But cool, maybe I'll catch ya online.

Juniors are more likely to make mistakes, break the rules or commit some other social faux pas on GAF. This is why all juniors are generally treated harshly but fair. Mods will ban juniors instantly, sometimes permanently, for mistakes, and this helps cut down the number of idiots whilst the cream rises to the top and survive and become regular members.

Nobody hates new members though, every community needs to grow and there's always a good bunch along with the few bad apples.

Every junior on HaloGAF is welcome to join in on any of the discussions or Customs games or anything else we do here. Everyone started off new at some point.

Spoiler

Except Ghaleon and Louis Wu, I think they were born middle-aged holding onto and analysing graphs and charts, smoking pipes and wearing chewed up slippers and have stayed that way ever since.

 

[Louis Wu]

On what planet does that make sense? I'm not even talking about Shishka here.

You have a favorite car company. Someone moves in and runs the company into the ground. He leaves and the company doesn't get any better the year or two after he leaves. I should then apologize to the guy who ruined my favorite car company? What?

No. The part you're having trouble with is the cause-and-effect part.

Your example shows that you believe Shishka ran the Matchmaking playlists into the ground. What you're not considering (but SHOULD be, since it didn't get better after he left) is that there might have been OTHER reasons the playlists didn't change the way you wanted them to, at the time - that the problem existed DESPITE Shishka's input, not BECAUSE of it.

But hey - if it helps you to have someone specific to blame the problem on, don't let me get in your way.

 

[zumphry]

Juniors are more likely to make mistakes, break the rules or commit some other social faux pas on GAF. This is why all juniors are generally treated harshly but fair. Mods will ban juniors instantly, sometimes permanently, for mistakes, and this helps cut down the number of idiots whilst the cream rises to the top and survive and become regular members.

....but I'm still here..

 

[wwm0nkey]

Dammit, I scroll through and see that...

/cries

don't worry it will happen one day...hopefully...

 

[Sai-kun]

That's how I feel.

I live in Chicago, and I'm not familiar with ANY big gaming events that come anywhere near here. The only cons I'm aware of are Anime Central (obviously not game related) and Wizard World (Comic Con Jr.). I would love a big time gaming event. My wife wouldn't like the price tag, but that's another story.

Chicago GAF represent!

Come on 343, have an event here

 

[Blue Ninja]

....but I'm still here..

Well, a system can't be completely flawless, can it.

 

[Plywood]

Luckily for plywood he won't be going anywhere near that stuff.

I will one day hug your bald head for such wondrous decisions.

 

[blamite]

Chicago GAF represent!

Come on 343, have an event here

Count this as one more vote for a Chicago event. Something, anything! Hell, PAX Midwest would be awesome (but will never happen).

 

[O D I N]

If they won't play with us, then I will play with you.

Groovy. Sounds like a plan.

lol I needed that, thanks.

Juniors are more likely to make mistakes, break the rules or commit some other social faux pas on GAF. This is why all juniors are generally treated harshly but fair. Mods will ban juniors instantly, sometimes permanently, for mistakes, and this helps cut down the number of idiots whilst the cream rises to the top and survive and become regular members.

Nobody hates new members though, every community needs to grow and there's always a good bunch along with the few bad apples.

Every junior on HaloGAF is welcome to join in on any of the discussions or Customs games or anything else we do here. Everyone started off new at some point.

Spoiler

Except Ghaleon and Louis Wu, I think they were born middle-aged holding onto and analysing graphs and charts, smoking pipes and wearing chewed up slippers and have stayed that way ever since.

Understandable. Thanks for the reply and invitation, as it were. I'll continue to be on my best behavior (or at least try).

Chicago GAF represent!

Come on 343, have an event here

Count this as one more vote for a Chicago event. Something, anything! Hell, PAX Midwest would be awesome (but will never happen).

Hooray for ChicagoGAF!

 

[Striker]

In Reach, the Warthog is an absolute joke. I still play with Ritchie a ton, but every time we try our old tactic out it ends horribly. The turret is far too weak, and the new Hog driving physics coupled with the new damage model make it a deathtrap.
I'd increase the turret damage slightly, double the Hog's health, and halve the damage the Hog takes from collisions (especially with armor-locked enemies).

Halo 1 and Halo 2's Warthog chaingun weren't overly powerful, either. The only clear difference in those versions is the heating the Reach 'hog gets. Halo 2 also adopted the Gauss 'hog heavily in many maps, namely Terminal, Headlong, Coagulation, and Containment. Chaingun was used on the medium sized maps like Burial Mounds and dialed in a combo when two spawned at each base, i.e. Coagulation.

It doesn't need to be so powerful and near dominate like it was in 3. The health I agree with, though. The way it was before was completely fine with me.

Also highly disagree with your notes on the Scorpion, Wraith, and Banshee. That is just making them even more dominate. I personally had wish they could remove the fuel rod in the Banshee so it wouldn't control maps on its own. I played in a Coagulation version somebody made in Reach under Classic settings, and the Banshee was not a big factor. Mainly due to the DMR start and how it didn't have many places to boost and hide after taking several shots, unlike it can in Paradiso and Spire.

 

[ncsuDuncan]

Disagree. If you do this then you might as well have a fixed ROF for the thing. Bloom either needs to go entirely, or needs to stay. I'm fine with letting it stay, it doesn't bother me at all. Spam at close range, hold your breath for the final shot.

I think DMR fights would still play out in much the same way, it would just reduce the chance for a random headshot. I do prefer the idea of having the DMR kick, paced shots wouldn't move your reticle but trigger spamming would require constant re-aiming.

Seriously. Reach REALLY killed vehicle combat.

I won't say it killed it, but I certainly have fonder memories of the vehicles in previous games. Everytime I managed to get a Wraith in Waterworks I felt like a god. It just makes me sad to see the Warthog as a mere shadow of its Halo 3 glory. It was fairly offset by the Rockets and Splasers. Now, there are just too many anti-vehicle weapons.

But I agree with the lock on warning. Their really needs to be one.

Seriously, how cool would it be to fly the Falcon/Banshee around and suddenly hear the terrifying ringing of a Lock-On warning? FLYYY INTOOO THE DANGER ZONE

And Disable 360 degree view and turn around. Or just give a second or so stun to an enemy exiting armor lock. The other option is to make Armor Lock a 2-3 time use, but have it only last for a second or less. Turn it less into a SAVE ME button, but more into a reflex oriented save me. It would speed up the gameplay while keeping its invulnerability function.

These are pretty good ideas too. I just see Armor Lock as a way to avoid a splatter or survive a single incoming rocket/grenade. Instead it's mostly used to be invincible while your shields recharge.

 

[A27_StarWolf]

Halo 1 and Halo 2's Warthog chaingun weren't overly powerful, either. The only clear difference in those versions is the heating the Reach 'hog gets. Halo 2 also adopted the Gauss 'hog heavily in many maps, namely Terminal, Headlong, Coagulation, and Containment. Chaingun was used on the medium sized maps like Burial Mounds and dialed in a combo when two spawned at each base, i.e. Coagulation.

It doesn't need to be so powerful and near dominate like it was in 3. The health I agree with, though. The way it was before was completely fine with me.

Also highly disagree with your notes on the Scorpion, Wraith, and Banshee. That is just making them even more dominate. I personally had wish they could remove the fuel rod in the Banshee so it wouldn't control maps on its own. I played in a Coagulation version somebody made in Reach under Classic settings, and the Banshee was not a big factor. Mainly due to the DMR start and how it didn't have many places to boost and hide after taking several shots, unlike it can in Paradiso and Spire.

If the Banshee had no fuel rod it would not be useful at all.

I believe the modifications that should be made to the banshee are the following:

Banshee
-Decrease damage in Fuel Rod
-Increase damage in Plasma Bolts
-Increase amount of damage the banshee can take from DMR fire, and Sniper fire
-Incoming rocket/ locked on notification.


To be honest I think this would make the banshee play out more fairly.

I believe we have enough anti vehicle weapons, and that the Sniper should NOT be so effective against them.

I would understand if the sniper went through part of the vehicle however, like through a window of a falcon.

 

[Slightly Live]

I think there's an easy fix for the Banshee. Simply link the dodging rolls to the boost cooldown, make each manouver cost half the full cost and also link the bomb to the same cooldown, costing half a full cooldown too, so you have to switch between bombing and boosting and with both of them linked you can't abuse them in combination.

Right now it's silly, you can bomb, flip upwards, bomb again, roll to the side, bomb, another flip and then boost away to avoid fire. It's abusive. Linking them together would prevent such abuse in most instances and give infantry a chance to escape spawn camping and other abuses.

 

[kylej]

No. The part you're having trouble with is the cause-and-effect part.

Your example shows that you believe Shishka ran the Matchmaking playlists into the ground. What you're not considering (but SHOULD be, since it didn't get better after he left) is that there might have been OTHER reasons the playlists didn't change the way you wanted them to, at the time - that the problem existed DESPITE Shishka's input, not BECAUSE of it.

But hey - if it helps you to have someone specific to blame the problem on, don't let me get in your way.

Yes clearly the person who was responsible for matchmaking playlists should not be blamed for the state of the Halo playlists. The same person who offered no insight into anything he did, fumbled every possible attempt at integrating community maps into matchmaking, straight up challenged members of the community, played less games of Halo 3 than every single member of HaloGAF, and who failed to listen to any legitimately constructive criticism from a wide variety of players. As someone who spent over 1400 hours playing DESPITE Shishka's (stagnant) input, clearly I had no reasonable expectation for something better and should now apologize to him.

Yes, yes, it's definitely much more logical to assume it was "other people" who held the playlists back despite all evidence to the contrary.

The playlists have gotten better. Considerably better. DESPITE the better playlists, it is BECAUSE many of the new mechanics are frustrating that people here have a problem. Of course, by your logic nobody should blame Sage for those, it must've been the other people. Casper the Friendly Ghost must've designed the bloom mechanic.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

Chicago GAF represent!

Come on 343, have an event here

I may be moving up there, applying to Streamwood PD, and I'm applying to Illinois State police on the first.

 

[bobs...onGaf]

Yes clearly the person who was responsible for matchmaking playlists should not be blamed for the state of the Halo playlists. The same person who offered no insight into anything he did, fumbled every possible attempt at integrating community maps into matchmaking, straight up challenged members of the community, played less games of Halo 3 than every single member of HaloGAF, and who failed to listen to any legitimately constructive criticism from a wide variety of players. As someone who spent over 1400 hours playing DESPITE Shishka's (stagnant) input, clearly I had no reasonable expectation for something better and should now apologize to him.

Yes, yes, it's definitely much more logical to assume it was "other people" who held the playlists back despite all evidence to the contrary.

The playlists have gotten better. Considerably better. DESPITE the better playlists, it is BECAUSE many of the new mechanics are frustrating that people here have a problem. Of course, by your logic nobody should blame Sage for those, it must've been the other people. Casper the Friendly Ghost must've designed the bloom mechanic.

Fucking Casper.

All jokes aside in times like these its nice to here that a fellow human has got a job so im happy for him. Im personally not a fan of his work on Halo 3. I loved Halo 3 but its been left in such an awful state its hard to go on and have fun, its not Shishka's fault that no one made significant changes after he left, but it is his fault they are currently the way they are. Halo 3 had awesome gameplay held back at times by poor playlist management. After a while I just stuck to customs. I will say though, that Shishka had a fairly unenviable job and no matter what someone was going to hate his work. Ninja On Fire has the same difficult job, but seems to have more community input and seems to respond to feedback a little better?

 

[Tashi]

I've said it before but I don't think for a second Shishka's sole responsibility was playlist management. It couldn't have been. From what I gather Shishka at Bungie was similar to a ultility player on a Baseball team. Plays where ever you need to him to. Or am I way off? Lol

 

[ncsuDuncan]

I think there's an easy fix for the Banshee. Simply link the dodging rolls to the boost cooldown, make each manouver cost half the full cost and also link the bomb to the same cooldown, costing half a full cooldown too, so you have to switch between bombing and boosting and with both of them linked you can't abuse them in combination.

I'd be okay with that. Maybe just a third of the cooldown bar instead of half, but it's a good idea. Connecting the fuel rod to the cooldown would increase the usefulness of the plasma cannon. Really, I never see the plasma used against anything but another Banshee, when really it should be used against infantry. Save the fuel rod for vehicles.
I still want collision damage to be reduced slightly.

I believe we have enough anti vehicle weapons, and that the Sniper should NOT be so effective against them.

I would understand if the sniper went through part of the vehicle however, like through a window of a falcon.

I still don't understand why they made the sniper so effective against vehicles. Before, it was a skillful move to snipe the driver/gunner out of a vehicle. Now it's a waste of time, you should just shoot the vehicle itself.
Maybe reduce the Sniper's damage against vehicles but increase the Focus Rifle vehicle damage.

 

[Louis Wu]

blah blah blah

I envy your ability to boil down complicated situations to simple black-and-white questions.

You've convinced me - I will no longer consider a system that serves millions of people, and is affected by many, many variables from an enormous variety of sources to be something that can't be blamed on one person. And when people suggest to me that maybe there are other factors involved, I'll tell them no, they're wrong, I can either blame that one person or I can NOT blame that one person. And of course I will blame that one person. I will no longer entertain the possibility that there's more involved than I know about, because shit, man, I've played a lot of Halo.

You're right. The playlists were a very, very simple situation, and all Shishka had to do was remove a box here and there, and the moron couldn't do it. What a dope.

 

[O D I N]

I may be moving up there, applying to Streamwood PD, and I'm applying to Illinois State police on the first.

Streamwood is basically the next town over from where I live (Schaumburg. Grew up in Elk Grove).

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

Streamwood is basically the next town over from where I live (Schaumburg. Grew up in Elk Grove).

If I get up there, don't let me catch you ridin' dirty!

 

[O D I N]

If I get up there, don't let me catch you ridin' dirty!

I'll keep that in mind. I drive through Streamwood on the way home from work.

 

[Slightly Live]

Confirmed: No new armor in the Defiant Map Pack

There is no new armor coming with the Defiant Map Pack. On March 15th, you can look forward to three new maps: Condemned (supports 6 - 12 players), Highlands (supports 8 - 16 players), and Unearthed (supports up to 4 players in Firefight mode).

Jessica's post was not doubletalk or corporate speak, you can take it at face value.

Original link

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

Cool, less of a reason to buy it.

If the Gears beta is mid March I probably won't even bother picking up Homefront either.

 

[Gui_PT]

Cool, less of a reason to buy it.

If the Gears beta is mid March I probably won't even bother picking up Homefront either.

Mid April

 

[GhaleonEB]

Confirmed: No new armor in the Defiant Map Pack

Original link

But rainbows!

 

[Hypertrooper]

Who cares about the Defiant MapPack? Zayne and I can't play campaign games together, because of my awful I-net connection.

 

[Barrow Roll]

Still want

What the eff man. Cruel, cruelty. I would rather they just fix Reach but I'd still play the crap out of that.

I wouldn't not play with you just because you're a junior. Heck, I play with that Barrow Rod(or whatever his name is) junior all the time

Yo momma's a junior.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Confirmed: No new armor in the Defiant Map Pack

Original link

B.net never fails.

Someone posts that link with this message:

Now stop the threads.

2 multiplayer maps
1 Firefight Map.
NO ARMOR DLC
NO 5 man Firefight.


STOP IT.

Response:

No new armor...? Well what do you call this? [link to IGN pic]

Your right it is 1 & done. Your theory has been busted.

 

[wwm0nkey]

What the eff man. Cruel, cruelty. I would rather they just fix Reach but I'd still play the crap out of that.

Im probably just going to change my avatar to that to make people feel even worse until they just announce they will release it on XBLA lol

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

Mid April

Yes, for everyone. EE BS owners get early access, what that means though is unknown. Could be a month, could be a day.

 

[Hypertrooper]

B.net never fails.

Someone posts that link with this message:



Response:

I don't think it was mistake that 343i showed the new helmet in a screenshot. Furthermore they did it of purpose. They're teasing us again. I have ma popcorn ready for the E3.

 

[Slightly Live]

B.net never fails.

Someone posts that link with this message:



Response:

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

Who cares about the Defiant MapPack? Zayne and I can't play campaign games together, because of my awful I-net connection.

Move out of Germany to somewhere better, like Spain or Illinois!

 

[Barrow Roll]

Im probably just going to change my avatar to that to make people feel even worse until they just announce they will release it on XBLA lol

:lol Do it. Spread sadness and hate throughout GAF and turn everyone to the darkside.

 

[GhaleonEB]

I don't think it was mistake that 343i showed the new helmet in a screenshot. Furthermore they did it of purpose. They're teasing us again. I have ma popcorn ready for the E3.

We'll see. They're obviously teasing something. But to recap:

The admin over at Waypoint specifies no new armor in the Defiant Map Pack.

That post is linked on b.net, to clarify that no new armor is in the Defiant Map Pack.

Users say that 'theory' is busted by linking to pic showing the mystery armor.

I find the exchange utterly hilarious.

That said, I think it was unwise to tease something like that and not deliver or clarify it at all.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

We'll see. They're obviously teasing something. But to recap:

The admin over at Waypoint specifies no new armor in the Defiant Map Pack.

That post is linked on b.net, to clarify that no new armor is in the Defiant Map Pack.

Users say that 'theory' is busted by linking to pic showing the mystery armor.

I find the exchange utterly hilarious.

That said, I think it was unwise to tease something like that and not deliver or clarify it at all.

It's like when you tell your kids Santa isn't real, they just can't let go. (spoilers?)

Next step will be hate, followed by depression.

 

[Hypertrooper]

Move out of Germany to somewhere better, like Spain or Illinois!

But then I have to buy over-priced german beer. No sir. I'll move out if I've enough money.

 

[Major Williams]

I don't know how there wouldn't be new armor if it's in the official screenshots. Gotta love self-righteous conclusions I guess

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

But then I have to buy over-priced german beer. No sir. I'll move out if I've enough money.

Nah, you could just drink Jameson's by the case with me!

 

[A27_StarWolf]

We'll see. They're obviously teasing something. But to recap:

The admin over at Waypoint specifies no new armor in the Defiant Map Pack.

That post is linked on b.net, to clarify that no new armor is in the Defiant Map Pack.

Users say that 'theory' is busted by linking to pic showing the mystery armor.

I find the exchange utterly hilarious.

That said, I think it was unwise to tease something like that and not deliver or clarify it at all.

Yeah I agree.