Hands-On With AMD FSR 4 - It Looks... Great?
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The Cockatrice
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AMDUnboxed: "it looks great so heres some offscreen proof"
Anyway, I'm sure its fine. Competition for Nvidia is always welcomed.
Anyway, I'm sure its fine. Competition for Nvidia is always welcomed.
DenchDeckard
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I bet it ends up being almost identical to PSSR in visual make up and similar flaws.
XesqueVara
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It's using ML now so the upgrade should be big.
Ddox Gameplays
Neo Member
Interesting! It looks great and very similar to PSSR! No wonder the Demo is running on a Sony's game and on one of the games that best shows the improvements from FSR 3.1. Digital Foundry compared FSR 3.1 with PSSR running on the same game and the results are very similar. Good stuff
Ddox Gameplays
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CrustyBritches
Gold Member
AMD is crazy. Instead of showing off high quality direct feed or screenshots they have youtubers doing funky offscreen comparisons.
CityHunter1981
An Absolute Desaster
Nice, but NVidia is always two steps ahead.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Nvidia probably caught a hint that AMD was gonna catch up. Thats why aggressive pricing.
Anyways, this looks usable. No pathtracing but 4k gaming is possible on AMD hardware now.
Frame gen is not really exciting, just a good quality upscaler is all that is needed.
Anyways, this looks usable. No pathtracing but 4k gaming is possible on AMD hardware now.
Frame gen is not really exciting, just a good quality upscaler is all that is needed.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
With Sony and AMD working in partnership now, I'd expect steady improvement going forwards.
To be honest, given Sony's expertise with optical sensors I'd imagine they'd have a lot of technical/scientific people already researching this area, but probably lacked the sort of massive computational resources to iterate rapidly on the AI side - which I'd imagine AMD do have... so likely a very potent alliance for improving this sort of tech.
To be honest, given Sony's expertise with optical sensors I'd imagine they'd have a lot of technical/scientific people already researching this area, but probably lacked the sort of massive computational resources to iterate rapidly on the AI side - which I'd imagine AMD do have... so likely a very potent alliance for improving this sort of tech.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Camera companies don't rely on AI.
Those are smartphone companies. They wouldn't make acceptable photos otherwise.
Mister Wolf
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It's a big joke.
SolidQ
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Event seems planned 15th January. There you will get alot info
RagnarokIV
Battlebus imprisoning me \m/ >.< \m/
AyyyMD Unboxed lol
YOU PC BRO?!
Gold Member
Till now, FSR performance mode was so bad I would describe it as simply unplayable. AMD shouldn't have included it as the image quality was very unfavourable when compared to its competitors. Great to see a significant improvement. As long as AMD can stay a single generation behind NVidia then they can remain somewhat competitive.
FingerBang
Member
This looks really good, but it pisses me off no device I might buy this year will be able to use it. I'm not going to buy a discrete RDNA4 card and all the APUs are stuck with 3.5.
For fuck's sake, they're finally releasing Strix Halo that sounds fantastic and they come with RDNA3.5 cores. What a waste.
That, and the fact that probably they did not want to announce the price of the 7090/7090xt before knowing the power and positioning of the cards they will directly compete with (4070/4070ti?).
They ended up looking ridiculous, but it was probably better than a fucked up launch.
For fuck's sake, they're finally releasing Strix Halo that sounds fantastic and they come with RDNA3.5 cores. What a waste.
AMD caught wind of what Nvidia was going to do, how it was going to market the 50 series and decided to postpone the announcement because the presentation they prepared would make them look like idiots.
That, and the fact that probably they did not want to announce the price of the 7090/7090xt before knowing the power and positioning of the cards they will directly compete with (4070/4070ti?).
They ended up looking ridiculous, but it was probably better than a fucked up launch.
SolidQ
Member
nope, 9070Xt is faster than 4080super
Hudo
Member
I wouldn't call the pricing of the 5000 cards "aggressive", tbh. The cards are still vastly overpriced. Just less overpriced than the 4000 series.
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daninthemix
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This is good - it can sit alongside PSSR underneath DLSS as the AI also-rans. Previously it wasn't good enough to warrant using over simply running at a lower resolution and bilinear scaling up to output res.
Based on which benchmarks?
SolidQ
Member
Here is and AMD saying result are low, not final driver
Here 4080 super result
I scored 13 735 in Time Spy Extreme
AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3Dâ, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER x 1, 32768 MB, 64-bit Windows 11}
www.3dmark.com
FingerBang
Member
Sorry, I meant 5070/5070ti. The rumors want the 9070xt to, at best, trade blows with the 4080super, so we'll see.
Performance means nothing without a price. And a price means nothing without performance (which is the situation we see with Nvidia).
llien
Banned
It is also the game where FSR 3 struggled the most.
PS
Did it also apply to quality mode?
SolidQ
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llien
Banned
Isn't it peculiar, that allegedly pro-AMD biased reviewer has exactly 0 "very early preview", while glorious PF, the hyper of anything that comes from NV's unhinged marketing, including, but not limited to "8k gaming with 3090", "3080 is 2 times faster than 2080", keeps getting green scheisse for review before anyone else?
I don't doubt that PF does it just by incident, but isn't it a bit... awkward?
llien
Banned
380mm2 chips.
Price rumos is too good, i don't believe in this price
X-doubt.
Although it could explain why Huang was so soft on his customers this time.
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SolidQ
Member
Kepler calculate it looks like 320-330
Skifi28
Member
Yeah, I barely felt his tensor cores on me this time. Just a light tap as opposed to the usual forceful penetration.
FingerBang
Member
479 for 4080 Super performance is something I would believe if we were in 2016, but that ship has sailed.
Price rumos is too good, i don't believe in this price
Even if it was possible, AMD would still end up pricing it $50 cheaper than the Nvidia equivalent, which will probably be the 5070ti.
For that price it's going to be between the 5070 and 5070ti.
llien
Banned
Why not. I mean, besides that most of the time it is major FPS drop for nothing.
llien
Banned
I'm pretty sure we are decades behind the curve with AMD. Clearly, FSR 4 has none of these goodies, that DLSS 4 can boast:
1) neurotic radiance - AMD is still using raster radiance
2) terminator - AMD is still on CNN and BBC, years behind DLSS4 terminators
3) AI reconstruction - AMD is again behind: still on semi-defusal iterators
RobRSG
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These guys are fucking AMD shills.
SolidQ
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Skifi28
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And I imagine the births result in even more AMD shills, we now know how they multiply.
willothedog
Member
Here is and AMD saying result are low, not final driver
Here 4080 super result
I scored 13 735 in Time Spy Extreme
AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3Dâ, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER x 1, 32768 MB, 64-bit Windows 11}
Here 4080 non super
I scored 16 036 in Time Spy Extreme
Intel Core i9-13900K Processor, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 x 1, 32768 MB, 64-bit Windows 11}
www.3dmark.com
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SolidQ
Member
it's OC
willothedog
Member
That is what Nvidia boost does by design.
Doctor Hades
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The only issue I have with FSR4 is that no matter how good it might be compared with FSR3, AMD are just so far behind NVIDIA with AI upscaling that I would personally find it near impossible to consider ever buying one of their GPUs. NVIDIA have a 5 year head start on AI upscaling and several years on ray-tracing too over AMD. It makes AMD GPUs second class products in my eyes. Fine for consoles but I would not want one in my gaming PC, even if they were much cheaper.
64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
not bad. But we need to see the raytracing performance as well to come to a proper judgement on the cards. Upscaling and PT are too big to ignore now
crazepharmacist
Member
While I agree, I'm not too concerned. I think Sony realizes how far behind AMD is hence their recent announced partnership. Sony will not pay the green tax to have an Nvidia GPU in the PS6. They need AMD to catch up. I think it will happen sooner than we think now that they're pooling their resources together.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
What do you mean? They aren't biased /s
Incredible how incompetent these outlets are for upscaling analysis. Almost have to wait for Digital Foundry
64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
People hate them but there's a reason they're always discussed. People here care more about pixel peeping than they want to admit
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
HU is good. Tim has some of the best content and knowledge when it comes to those upscaling tech.