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Happy Birthday, Maynard James Keenan
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Right. Now you even go to the extent of attempting to ruin someone else's thread just to get the Diablos jab in. I don't care much for Maynard either, but holy shit, if Eminem wants to make a post wishing his favorite singer/songwriter a happy birthday I think he's entitled to.
If ya don't like the thread, don't post in it. Such is life.
If ya don't like the thread, don't post in it. Such is life.
Space Age Playboy
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Tool's glory days are behind them. They take too long in between albums and their market is diluted with ho-hum APC albums.
This is what happens when record companies don't manage their talent properly. This relates to what I was just talking about in the Fiona Apple thread.
This is what happens when record companies don't manage their talent properly. This relates to what I was just talking about in the Fiona Apple thread.
Cold-Steel
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APC is awesome. I'm still listening to "The Passive" and I've had this CD for awhile.
Great songs, great music. Go Maynard!
Great songs, great music. Go Maynard!
*cough* ... what?Space Age Playboy said:
They've had three full length studio albums. That's hardly a number you can derive any statistic from. Granted, the wait between Ænima and Lateralus had a lot to do with their legal battle, but shit man, the music is still great. To have such a following with such little material should say something.
Also, the APC comment ... again, what? Maynard has said on several occasions that he has very little to do with the actual music writing. From what I remember, the other guys write music, he listens, he pens. As gorgeous as Maynard's words are, I doubt that he takes so long with them that it slows down the overall creative process. If anything, the side projects of Danny, Adam and Justin are more "damning" in that regard.
If you don't like the band, fine, but don't go spewing off bullshit about it for the sake of being a dick.
(And uh, sorry Eminem .... HAPPY BIRTHDAY MJK!)
Space Age Playboy
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I know, they've done really well with those albums. But a lot of people are already starting to turn on them.fallout said:
I don't care if Ashlee Simpson wrote all of APC's songs, they still sound way too similar to Tool and are diluting Tool's market with mediocre releases. The fans should be anticipating the next Tool album, not getting bored with APC.
I like Tool and I think MJK is a good singer. Since this thread was turning to shit anyway I thought I might as well talk about Tool.
Yeah ... just like they turned on them before Lateralus was released and bought half a million copies in the first week. That sure did suck. Seriously, do you have any proof (other than yourself) of people turning on them?Space Age Playboy said:
... I don't think you're getting it. Even if APC wasn't around, we'd still be getting Tool albums at the same rate. If you want to blame somebody, go blame Pygmy Love Circus or something. And besides, it's not like APC is forcing Tool fans to listen to them. I'd even be willing to be that you'll never see them tour together!
Yes, let's help the thread by trolling. That always works.
Actually, my comment was directed at a Tool interview I once saw. I think he said something along the lines of: "I'm probably the least musically talented person in this band."Eminem said:
Space Age Playboy
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Not any real proof and I could be wrong, but I have heard people talking about Tool/Maynard unfavorably when they used to be big fans.fallout said:
You're the one who's not getting it. It would help if Tool put out albums a little more often, but the fans can wait. That's not the problem.
The problem is that Tool's retarded bastard stepchild is getting airplay in between Tool albums. They're not Tool but they sound kind of like Tool, only not as good. This means the sound is getting overexposed and the fans will get bored too quickly. A diluted market is bad for business.
Kabuki Waq
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wtf? APC does not sound like tool. The music itself sound totally different.
Space Age Playboy
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Although I obviously can, I know people who can't tell the difference.Kabuki Waq said:
Space Age Playboy
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The voice is the most recognizable part of any song for most people. Two bands sharing a lead singer isn't a good idea.
Kabuki Waq
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Space Age Playboy said:
are those people deaf? What APC song sounds like another tool song?
You can tell them he didn't actually find Jesus. Well, he did ... but I think it was just some Spanish dude.Space Age Playboy said:
Yes, Tool's bastard stepchild that consists of their former guitar tech and their lead singer. It's a good thing that other bands don't do this whole side project thing, or we'd have a venerable crisis on our hands. I can see it now, people running in the streets screaming: "HOLY SHIT! THERE'S TOO MUCH MUSIC!"
Honestly, I like APC. If you want to compare it to Tool, I think Tool's better. But then again, I'll probably say that for most bands. If I didn't like APC, I wouldn't listen to it (crazy theory, eh?). I highly doubt that APC was ever supposed to be anything huge, but they had some good songs and people took a liking to it and now they've done more. Heh, what's your solution? Maynard sit on his ass and do nothing while the rest of the band do their own things?
Yeah, who was that Dimebag guy anyway? Or you know, Clapton? What about Tom Morello? Shit man, I can name a guitarist from pretty much any genre that has a voice. And that's not because I'm some music elitist, I just happen to listen to music.
I don't think it's so much them sharing Maynard as it is Maynard jumping around. Think about it, he's one lucky guy. He gets to play with two very talented bands with *gasp* ... different sounds!
Space Age Playboy
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Judith could easily have been a Tool song, Disposition could easily have been an APC song. All bands have a range of moods, intensity, etc that they use for their songs.Kabuki Waq said:
What they're going to do is stop giving a shit about the real band much quicker than they would have otherwise. That's a bad thing. Sounds get played out, side projects hasten the process.fallout said:
Poor talent management by the record label is the real problem.
Congratulations on having a better trained ear than the average listener.
Not enough difference IMO. APC will hurt Tool in the long run.
FrenchMovieTheme
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happy birthday maynard!
the following things are true:
1. Tool is in the top 3 bands of all time (possibly higher!)
2. Maynard is bar none the best vocalist is rock HISTORY (yes, of all times again)
3. you can say tools market is dwindling, but how much do you want to be they'll debut @ #1 and sell out arenas no matter which city they visit? i'd take that kind of dwindling market for my band any day
4. the new tool record will be awesome
5. yes, eMotive sucked
p.s. i'm just happy the whole jesus thing was a joke. it's easy to look back now and say "pffft you really believed it!?" but it did give me a scare!
the following things are true:
1. Tool is in the top 3 bands of all time (possibly higher!)
2. Maynard is bar none the best vocalist is rock HISTORY (yes, of all times again)
3. you can say tools market is dwindling, but how much do you want to be they'll debut @ #1 and sell out arenas no matter which city they visit? i'd take that kind of dwindling market for my band any day
4. the new tool record will be awesome
5. yes, eMotive sucked
p.s. i'm just happy the whole jesus thing was a joke. it's easy to look back now and say "pffft you really believed it!?" but it did give me a scare!
Oh! Oh! And Triad! Oh wait no ... that was an instrumental.Space Age Playboy said:
No, side projects generally help the overall creative nature of a band. At least, they should. It gives the members a chance to work with other artists and explore different areas. I consider Down to be an amazing metal band, but I wouldn't say they sound anything like COC or Pantera.
I ... am confused by this one. Seriously, I don't quite know what you're getting at.
Different tuning, diifferent chord progressions, different writing. Hell, if you want to talk about the vocal dissimilarities between Tool and APC, when was the last time you heard harmony in a Tool song? It doesn't take a trained ear to hear that.
I think you're getting your videogame marketing and music marketing sludged together in some ugly mess of thought. Bands can coexist ... I've never had a problem of owning too much good music.
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