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[ZywyPL]

All those tests are pointless TBH because there's this thing called silicon lottery, so comparing literally just two units means absolutely nothing, if someone compared like at least 10 old vs 10 new models, then we could get some average, but comparing 1:1 is nothing but a matter of luck.

 

[FranXico]

It doesn’t matter, both are fine. Austin Evans reputation is not though.

It never was fine. Anybody trying to assign him credibility is as much of a fraud as him.

 

[skit_data]

It never was fine. Anybody trying to assign him credibility is as much of a fraud as him.

I meant the launch and revision models, those are both fine.

 

[GHG]

All those tests are pointless TBH because there's this thing called silicon lottery, so comparing literally just two units means absolutely nothing, if someone compared like at least 10 old vs 10 new models, then we could get some average, but comparing 1:1 is nothing but a matter of luck.

Can't the same thing be said for PC components as well?

Any kind of in depth testing is a good thing, especially when it's A/B testing in an identical environment at the same time. It's then up to other outlets to conduct tests at the same level of scrutiny which then enables us to get an idea of what the trend is.

It's unrealistic to expect a single outlet to conduct a test that involves comparing a total of 20 units, that has never happened before for any hardware testing (outside of the internal tests that the manufacturers themselves will conduct) so why is it required here?

 

[sircaw]

When most of the replies are name calling and emotional rants it's hard to believe otherwise. Again to be more upset with a guy's opinion over him being threatened over his opinion is pretty shocking. It's video games people.

SHUT THE HELL UP DOXXER

 

[Lysandros]

I can't wait for tech-Jesus more reliable analysis of 'new PS5' cooling compared to 'five year old mid-high end/GTX 1060 equivalent' PS5.

 

[Armorian]

High numbers of followers clearly means that there is something of value created there:

 

[Loxus]

You are correct that GN didn't measure exact temp for the APU. But at least his testing is as close as externally possible, from 1 layer of PCB, which can be taken into account of how hot it could be.
Also he did mention that some of the VRAMs, that they are actually very close to the board itself, and center of the chip (while explaining the location of thermal putty & backplate) - and says it's probably hotter inside. The only accurate temperature is only known to the manufacturers and thermal sensors inside the chips. Anything external - you have to take into account anything in between the heat source to the probe.

In case of the backplate - so you have "steel" back plate, which seems to be at least 1-2mm thick.
Below that, you may have the mounting steel (?) plate, and below that, you have that plastic and another metal plate then there is the PCB board.

GN's case - it's
Probe - PCB board - APU Basically 1 layer. Of course, the chip temperature varies differently on cpu and gpu section, so I think he put 2 separate probes into it. Then again, that's still an approximate temp - but the variable factors are greatly reduced.

This guy's case - it's more convoluted.
Probe - Steel backplate - possible gap - mounting plate - plastic - metal plate - pcb board - APU.
That's like 5-6 layers of varying degrees of layers with different thermal properties, that may or may not have been updated with this new sink.

Heavier mounts often require more heavy duty backing/support - and I wouldn't be surprised if they used slightly thinner, lighter duty metal on the back for new heat sink, and perhaps there's more gap betwen the mounting plate & the backplate? Perhaps OG PS5's backplate is hotter, because it's mounting plate is making more solid contact to the back plate?

At this point, it's just mere possiblity / variable that we don't really know... and that's why I'm not convinced with this "backplate" method.

Afterall, backplate for PS5 isn't meant for APU cooling - it's meant for VRAM and other parts cooling, which makes direct contact to the backplate via thermal putty. I do wish on my OG PS5 that they used somewhat different method to cool the VRAMs - but I'm pretty certain that they are within the specified thermal limits.

Literally no one is saying the test are 100% accurate.

The smart ones understand this test is not to get the exact APU temperature, but to get the temperature of inside the case around the APU without doing a teardown.

And it gave valid results of the internal temperatures and the new console is cooler.

It amazes me that you will discredit the guys attempt at getting internal temperatures without tearing down the PS5, but praises Austin's exhaust temps as gospel.

 

[Allandor]

Literally no one is saying the test are 100% accurate.

The smart ones understand this test is not to get the exact APU temperature, but to get the temperature of inside the case around the APU without doing a teardown.

And it gave valid results of the internal temperatures and the new console is cooler.

It amazes me that you will discredit the guys attempt at getting internal temperatures without tearing down the PS5, but praises Austin's exhaust temps as gospel.

No one is prasing austins video. Austin had a point that there is a difference (not more and he said many wrong things .... e.g. regarding boost clocks). But the new video directly attacks the old video and does exactly the same thing. The measured temps are not measured where you can conclude anything (backplate measurement is really bad).
The video has just a click-baiting taste. Esspecially as the author said that he had not enough time for a deeper measurement and a video will follow. Why does the author have any pressure? because e.g. GN will make a video themselfs and than his video won't get the attention?

And why do so many techies get the boost-clocks of the PS5 wrong. They are not temperature bound, but workflow bound.

 

[Dodkrake]

Of course people are focusing on the 1DB difference in noise to focus so predictable. This is well within standard deviation.

 

[Tomeru]

Of course people are focusing on the 1DB difference in noise to focus so predictable. This is well within standard deviation.

WHAT? CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? IM VERY SENSITIVE TO 1DB INCREASES.

 

[Great Hair]

OP has been updated.

[Hardware Busters] The New PS5 is Actually Better

UPDATE 1,2 (youtuber) In the charts and in general in the review, Memory I mean the TH58LJT0T24BA4M NAND Flash Memory's temperature, in other words, the SSD's temperature. Yes my bad I call it CPU instead of APU or SoC. Get over it, please :) UPDATE3 IGORLAB Sony Playstation 5 – Why the new...

www.neogaf.com

 

[Topher]

Flip those pics and it is just as idiotic.

 

[Gameplaylover]

Flip those pics and it is just as idiotic.

Of course. Those are just Youtubers and nobody should give a shit about them.

 

[Skifi28]

Of course. Those are just Youtubers and nobody should give a shit about them.

Being youtubers or having many followers is irrelevant. If you are testing hardware and your methodology is flawed, there is no saving grace.

 

[Topher]

Of course. Those are just Youtubers and nobody should give a shit about them.

Of course? The pic you posted mocked others for not agreeing with the YouTuber with the higher follower count.

 

[Gameplaylover]

Of course? The pic you posted mocked others for not agreeing with the YouTuber with the higher follower count.

Dude, that pic was just a joke. To me both "tests" are utterly useless.

 

[Oddvintagechap]

This is so meaningless.

Or maybe youre right. People keep saying STEM STEM STEM. They should be saying subscribe and ring the bell.

 

[skit_data]

OP has been updated.

[Hardware Busters] The New PS5 is Actually Better

UPDATE 1,2 (youtuber) In the charts and in general in the review, Memory I mean the TH58LJT0T24BA4M NAND Flash Memory's temperature, in other words, the SSD's temperature. Yes my bad I call it CPU instead of APU or SoC. Get over it, please :) UPDATE3 IGORLAB Sony Playstation 5 – Why the new...

www.neogaf.com

So they are saying that they will be re-doing all the testing more properly but somehow they already know the results correspond with their previous findings?

I’m confused.

 

[Md Ray]

OP has been updated.

[Hardware Busters] The New PS5 is Actually Better

UPDATE 1,2 (youtuber) In the charts and in general in the review, Memory I mean the TH58LJT0T24BA4M NAND Flash Memory's temperature, in other words, the SSD's temperature. Yes my bad I call it CPU instead of APU or SoC. Get over it, please :) UPDATE3 IGORLAB Sony Playstation 5 – Why the new...

www.neogaf.com

Thanks for the update post Mr. Shalad. It seems we'll see a follow-up vid with proper probe placements like GN did.

 

[ethomaz]

It was obvious CPU meant the APU, the chip, etc... lol
There is no way to get temps from CPU and GPU separably without access via software to actual AMD sensor... something impossible right now with PS5 (you need to Jailbroken it to install another OS and get access to the hardware info).

 

[Zombie9ers]

How can this be? Some random douche on Youtube said otherwise...

 

[Bonsaibäumchen]

Sony Playstation 5 - Why the new PS5 is even better than the old one and a superficial view is dangerous | Important Update | igor´sLAB

Disclaimer: The following article is machine translated from the original German, and has not been edited or checked for errors. Thank you for understanding!

www.igorslab.de

I would rather listen to what Igor has to say on this matter then some austin evans shmuck

 

[GymWolf]

High numbers of followers clearly means that there is something of value created there:

 

[fersnake]

Sony Playstation 5 - Why the new PS5 is even better than the old one and a superficial view is dangerous | Important Update | igor´sLAB

Disclaimer: The following article is machine translated from the original German, and has not been edited or checked for errors. Thank you for understanding!

www.igorslab.de

I would rather listen to what Igor has to say on this matter then some austin evans shmuck

100% sure Igor is way better than Austin, havent see the video yet xD

 

[kainslayer]

O Ari's gamaei.the Greek utuber has many colabs through the years,not with utubers but with sites like techpowerup ,and if u mess around with PC mods ,bioses etc.then u know there the real deal anyhow thanks to Ari we know which utuber is an Xbox shill and on the payroll

 

[Bonsaibäumchen]

100% sure Igor is way better than Austin, havent see the video yet xD

GamersNexus seems to also be testing the new PS5 revision.
So we will soon have reliable data from 2 different tech sites that should be respected.

 

[Dodkrake]

WHAT? CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? IM VERY SENSITIVE TO 1DB INCREASES.

1DB, console totally ruined.

 

[Great Hair]

OP updated (igor enters the chat)

[Hardware Busters] The New PS5 is Actually Better

UPDATE 1,2 (youtuber) In the charts and in general in the review, Memory I mean the TH58LJT0T24BA4M NAND Flash Memory's temperature, in other words, the SSD's temperature. Yes my bad I call it CPU instead of APU or SoC. Get over it, please :) UPDATE3 IGORLAB Sony Playstation 5 – Why the new...

www.neogaf.com

- RAM topside on new PS5 from Aris 78.13 °C at 28 degrees room temperature.
- RAM topside on old PS5 from GN 93 °C at 22 room temperature

 

[lachesis]

Well actually the back plate on PS5 is used for some active cooling of the back of the APU which is connected via some kind of thermally conductive layers to it. There is even a small heatsink connected to the back of the shield.

So if the layers between the shield and the APU are the same (a plate and some kind of pad), the temperature of the shield (at the APU spot) should be a good indicator to the actual temperature of the back of the APU, then the whole APU.

While it's true that backplate does have some active cooling property built to it - it's for the VRAM and Nand SSD, not APU.

If they meant it to cool the APU with it - they would have put thermal putty/paste on the back to make sure it makes contact to the backplate - but the fact they didn't do that shows they are not considering such cooling, leaving entire APU cooling to the main heat sink. Also they wouldn't have used "plastic" to carry heat either.

If, and "if" the layers between the sheild and APU remain the same material, thickness and making exactly same contact to the backplate via thermal paste/putty - yes, I could agree being indicator, but we just don't know if that's the case. Too many variables, and when you go to measure something, it's best to get to as close to the source.

Say if HB guy didn't want to compromise the liquid metal, at least he could have probed the sensor inside like GN have done.

Edit: so the op updated & now added additional probes under the mounting plates. Right now it's only text form though - and would love to see more concrete info, but if that numbers are true - I will be glad that new PS5 in fact is better at cooling its chips. It doesn't explain the original backplate probe's 10 degree difference, when the heat source is only 3 degrees hotter, and shows there are other factors in play... such as VRAM.

 

[ethomaz]

OP updated (igor enters the chat)

[Hardware Busters] The New PS5 is Actually Better

UPDATE 1,2 (youtuber) In the charts and in general in the review, Memory I mean the TH58LJT0T24BA4M NAND Flash Memory's temperature, in other words, the SSD's temperature. Yes my bad I call it CPU instead of APU or SoC. Get over it, please :) UPDATE3 IGORLAB Sony Playstation 5 – Why the new...

www.neogaf.com

- RAM topside on new PS5 from Aris 78.13 °C at 28 degrees room temperature.
- RAM topside on old PS5 from GN 93 °C at 22 room temperature

It is clearly a better cooling system.

 

[Pedro Motta]

To all the dimwits that think 1dB is noisier.

 

[GHG]

Sony Playstation 5 - Why the new PS5 is even better than the old one and a superficial view is dangerous | Important Update | igor´sLAB

Disclaimer: The following article is machine translated from the original German, and has not been edited or checked for errors. Thank you for understanding!

www.igorslab.de

I would rather listen to what Igor has to say on this matter then some austin evans shmuck

Austin Evans' flawed logic being picked apart one by one.

You hate to see it.

"BUT SCIENCE" he said. Laughable. There is nothing scientific about anything he does. If there's anything that he should take away from this it's that he should stay in his lane and stick to making dumb superficial videos for his dumb superficial followers.

 

[MightySquirrel]

 

[GHG]

Stick to twitter.

You might have better luck there.

 

[MightySquirrel]

Stick to twitter.

You might have better luck there.

Facts are not allowed on twatter.

 

[Loxus]

Some much for the heatsink having less heat pipes.

Same amount of heat pipes (6) as the original, which implies the heatsink has about the same cooling properties, it's just redesigned.

 

[ethomaz]

Some much for the heatsink having less heat pipes.

Same amount of heat pipes (6) as the original, which implies the heatsink has about the same cooling properties, it's just redesigned.

But Evil Sony…

 

[DarkMage619]

SHUT THE HELL UP DOXXER

Now, now Fishy you wouldn't be making an accusation without proof would you? That would make you no better than public PlayStation enemy #1 Austin Evans. Tell you what, if you can prove it was me doxxing I'll turn myself in. If you can't filet o fish is on the menu . Deal?

 

[Tarin02543]

Louder and hotter is ok, ps5 is not obtainable.

 

[Kerlurk]

nvm

 

[sircaw]

Now, now Fishy you wouldn't be making an accusation without proof would you? That would make you no better than public PlayStation enemy #1 Austin Evans. Tell you what, if you can prove it was me doxxing I'll turn myself in. If you can't filet o fish is on the menu . Deal?

~Death threat detected...................MODS

 

[azertydu91]

DarkMage619 when sircaw imitate him and his arguments...

 

[dcmk7]

you wouldn't be making an accusation without proof would you?

You literally said you were certain some people in this thread doxxed this YouTuber. You were certain of this because they were getting emotional and name-calling.

Where is your actual proof for that wild claim?

Many people are reading into Austin's opinion like he is part of some sort of conspiracy. I'm certain some of those people were the very one's doxxing him.

Weird that you weren't vocal at all when D dark10x got doxxed by Xbox fans.

It's sad to see you resorting to such childish accusations. Low level trolling.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

The probe placement.
This test isn't good for anything.

No way the pictures I'm seeing of where he put the probes are legit. Can't be...

 

[MasterCornholio]

Dude, that pic was just a joke. To me both "tests" are utterly useless.

Well apparently he's owning up to his mistake and redoing to the tests. Which is nice to see BTW.

 

[DarkMage619]

You literally said you were certain some people in this thread doxxed this YouTuber. You were certain of this because they were getting emotional and name-calling.

Where is your actual proof for that wild claim?

Woah buddy quote where I said people in this thread doxxed Austin. You provide the proof first. Based on your history I'm positive you don't have it.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Woah buddy quote where I said people in this thread doxxed Austin. You provide the proof first. Based on your history I'm positive you don't have it.

Why does the thread matter? People are criticizing Austin in both threads.

 

[twilo99]

I sense another revision "new version" coming soon after this one..

 

[dcmk7]

Woah buddy quote where I said people in this thread doxxed Austin. You provide the proof first. Based on your history I'm positive you don't have it.

I quoted it in my last post.

You're certain these people are doxxing. You should have proof right.. where is that exactly?

You're really that desperate to vilify all Sony fans for a small minority who are idiots? it's a problem throughout the internet.. to go that far is truly ridiculous.

Surprised you're still allowed to troll after this:

Many people are reading into Austin's opinion like he is part of some sort of conspiracy. I'm certain some of those people were the very one's doxxing him.