Loxus
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Well look at it as reading internal temperatures then. In that case, the new model internal temperature is lower.
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[Hardware Busters] The New PS5 is Actually Better
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Sosokrates
Report me if I continue to console war
I think ive had about 2 months.
Its no big deal i can only year the tickering when up close. Funnily enough my launch xbox one does the same ticker ticker ticker. The main noise from my PS5 is a pretty standard fan hum, but overall im pretty happy with the PS5 noise, its pretty standard. A big improvement over my pro.
The xbox design team do deserve some credit , my seriesX is literally silent.
I dont think it would be a bad idea if sony made a limted run of PS5s which shared a similar cooling design to the seriesX. Im sure they would sell out even if they were a bit more expensive.
Loxus
Member
Cheese on bread.A wrong conclusion is still a wrong conclusion
Measuring the backplate temperatures does only tell us, that less heat is transferred to this side. E.g. a more loose clamp that pressed the chip onto the backplate would already reduce those temperatures as the heat can't be transferred as good there. So the test results are more or less useless.
The only thing that remains is the exhaust temperatures, which are a bit higher again.
The backplate is not part of the main cooling system. Btw, my PS4 Pro ran much quiter when I connected the pins of the APU with the backplate with a non conductive material so the heat could be transferred. This lead to a much lower temps so the cooler wasn't spinning that fast, but this also led to the power supply running much hotter because there was less airflow, which than led to coil whine in the PSU which stops if I play a game that really uses the PS4 pros power so the APU gets hotter and the fan increases its speed and the coil-whine stops.... so don't do that on your PS4 pro.
Both temperature probes are placed in the same spot on both consoles.
It gives you measurements to compare and the new console temperature is lower.
What more proof do you guys want that the new model PS5 doesn't run hot.
anothertech
Member
In the first thread about it, it was pretty obvious what the agenda was by who was doing it.
Super happy to watch him heat crow and lose credibility
Super happy to watch him heat crow and lose credibility
Hawking Radiation
Member
You've been running with this same shit since the day Austin's reply video came out. I won't be at all surprised if you were the one doing it yourself. Get a fucking grip man. Jesus Christ.
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You know what a backplate is, don't you?
It is only loosely connected with the APU it is not really meant to get rid of the heat, just a tiny bit of it. A bit more or less pressure can make a lot of difference for the backplate temperature, but really tiny difference for the whole heat-transfer as the backpalte can't transfer much of the heat (far to tiny surface and much less airflow)
Yes, the smaller cooler could still be more efficient because of better airflow etc. But this video is just a bad replacement for another bad video. I guess gamer nexus must clear this up
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sol_bad
Member
Correct me if I'm wrong but Austin's channel doesn't really get in depth with tear downs and the like does it? He just did a quick tear down and a quick test and made an opinion about it right?
Anyone getting up n arms over that should calm their farm. I'd assume a smaller heat sink would equal more heat as well.
I wouldn't go to his channel for an in-depth analysis and I wouldn't take that specific video seriously. He even said himself that it was a quick test right?
Anyone getting up n arms over that should calm their farm. I'd assume a smaller heat sink would equal more heat as well.
I wouldn't go to his channel for an in-depth analysis and I wouldn't take that specific video seriously. He even said himself that it was a quick test right?
DarkMage619
$MSFT
When most of the replies are name calling and emotional rants it's hard to believe otherwise. Again to be more upset with a guy's opinion over him being threatened over his opinion is pretty shocking. It's video games people.
alabtrosMyster
Member
It's a giant nothing burger.
My friend won back then, we have not talked since!
I love these lotteries, I remember loosing on the AMD thunderbird lottery, could not get that many MHz out of it.
My friend won back then, we have not talked since!None of them is even remotely close to a temperature that would cause concerns for performance or longevity.
Epic Sax CEO
Banned
I thought we knew this?
But methodology is the same for the two models, yet results are different.
Magnific0giganticus
Banned
Me taking a piss, drunk, in the dark, into a bottle, placed on the floor 3 feet away, is more accurate than Austin's.
TLZ
Banned
Really?2690 subs. gtfo here
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So say a proper tester who's not a YouTuber decides to buy this new PS5 and open a YouTube just to show his tests and results, and has 0 subs obviously. That means none of his experience and tests count?
The guy literally showed you proper thermal tests of the components, and you dismiss him because of sub count?
ReBurn
Gold Member
Well they didn't actually test the CPU temperature. They tested the temperature of the metal chassis approximately where the SOC would be underneath. So the laws of thermodynamics didn't change.
He got closer than Austin Evans did, anyway.
TLZ
Banned
Hm. Well I don't know what to say now. It's... Safer? Heh. Or at least it can be pushed to it's max without worrying much about it.
TLZ
Banned
Hm. Guess I'll still wait for Gamer Nexus then.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
Wow to lack that much self awareness is almost as surprising as people flipping out over an opinion. How is your crusade against the 'lying' MS corp going bro? I hope you finally filed that claim with the BBB for all their misconduct.
BaneIsPain
Member
Please trust Sony’s engineers. They knew their work. Whatever Austin’s concern, pretty sure the team already discussed and find short/long term mitigation. It is not a novel issue. Honest opinion from fellow engineer.
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RCU005
Member
He did the video to make controversy and get views. Nothing else. If he made the video for information purposes he would've titled the video something like: "I've tested the new PS5" not "The PS5 is worse"
He is just one of the bunch you tubers and "influencers" that want attention.
Instead of influences they should be called: Stupidizers
Hoddi
Member
Half of the flash dies are on each side of the board. It's not very meaningful without knowing which side he was testing.
Speaking of, the memory modules themselves are on the opposite side of the board so they also don't make any contact with that new heatsink. If there's a difference in VRAM temperatures then it's likely caused by something else.
megreotsugua
Banned
He clearly has an agenda against the PS5. He's made several videos about it putting it in a bad light while being invited by xbox team and Aaron Greenberg himself.
Makes you wonder if the warchest is at play here.
twilo99
Member
I bet when Gamers Nexus finally makes his video.
The same ones talking about backplate this and back that wait for Gamers Nexus, going to discredit him the same way and still stick with Austin.
It's amazing.
mmm GN are hard to discredit overall, they know what they are doing, and have been doing it for a very long time.
ReBurn
Gold Member
To be fair, based on the picture of the probe placement in the OP this guy didn't prove anything except the temperatures at different places on the metal chassis. He didn't actually measure the temperature of any of the chips so can't say what the temperatures of the chips are. About all he proved is that heat is distributed differently, not that it's better or worse.I bet when Gamers Nexus finally makes his video.
The same ones talking about backplate this and back that wait for Gamers Nexus, going to discredit him the same way and still stick with Austin.
It's amazing.
RCU005
Member
He doesn't have an agenda. He just doesn't have integrity. If Nintendo or Sony gives him something, he will start putting the xbox in bad light. He is a sheep and goes to whoever gives him a benefit for himself.
Loxus
Member
The same can be said for Gamers Nexus as there were no way to probe the PS5 APU without disturbing the Liquid Metal, so he probe the opposite side of the APU.
So if we go by what your saying, Gamers Nexus didn't prove anything either.
And if the metal in the chassis is cooler on the new model, wouldn't that imply that the chip is cooler since it's the chip that is producing the heat?
Like come on, we as humans are smarter than this.
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Fess
Member
Iirc 3 db is an audible difference, 1.1 shouldn’t be a problem, and maybe they’ve got rid of the coilwhine.
lolI love these lotteries, I remember loosing on the AMD thunderbird lottery, could not get that many MHz out of it.
On a serious note, I never bought a Pro because I heard about the fan lottery. I never win on lotteries so I just thought if I would buy one it’ll definitely going to be a jet engine Pro.
I have a coil whine PS5 too, of course. But luckily it’s not as bad as people said, I instantly hear it when it’s silent in the room but not when there is music and the usual sound fx noise.
Oh and my launch PS3 had no screws for the casing, I could flip it open with all the warranty stickers still intact lol
Had 3 rrod 360s too, sigh. Lottery = no win for me!
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mansoor1980
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but did they check gaming fps over lengthy play time , cuz austin said peformance will degrade over time
ReBurn
Gold Member
The metal chassis wasn't cooler, though. If you average the temperature readings across each chassis one is 44.21 degrees and the other is 44:17 degrees. They're practically the same. If nothing else this video proves that the systems are the same, not that the new one is better. Same is good.
lachesis
Member
You are correct that GN didn't measure exact temp for the APU. But at least his testing is as close as externally possible, from 1 layer of PCB, which can be taken into account of how hot it could be.
Also he did mention that some of the VRAMs, that they are actually very close to the board itself, and center of the chip (while explaining the location of thermal putty & backplate) - and says it's probably hotter inside. The only accurate temperature is only known to the manufacturers and thermal sensors inside the chips. Anything external - you have to take into account anything in between the heat source to the probe.
In case of the backplate - so you have "steel" back plate, which seems to be at least 1-2mm thick.
Below that, you may have the mounting steel (?) plate, and below that, you have that plastic and another metal plate then there is the PCB board.
GN's case - it's
Probe - PCB board - APU Basically 1 layer. Of course, the chip temperature varies differently on cpu and gpu section, so I think he put 2 separate probes into it. Then again, that's still an approximate temp - but the variable factors are greatly reduced.
This guy's case - it's more convoluted.
Probe - Steel backplate - possible gap - mounting plate - plastic - metal plate - pcb board - APU.
That's like 5-6 layers of varying degrees of layers with different thermal properties, that may or may not have been updated with this new sink.
Heavier mounts often require more heavy duty backing/support - and I wouldn't be surprised if they used slightly thinner, lighter duty metal on the back for new heat sink, and perhaps there's more gap betwen the mounting plate & the backplate? Perhaps OG PS5's backplate is hotter, because it's mounting plate is making more solid contact to the back plate?
At this point, it's just mere possiblity / variable that we don't really know... and that's why I'm not convinced with this "backplate" method.
Afterall, backplate for PS5 isn't meant for APU cooling - it's meant for VRAM and other parts cooling, which makes direct contact to the backplate via thermal putty. I do wish on my OG PS5 that they used somewhat different method to cool the VRAMs - but I'm pretty certain that they are within the specified thermal limits.
dcmk7
Banned
That's quite a typical response from you. One not based on reality.
Dark10x was doxxed, but when the Xbox fans are the reason behind it, you don't have anything to say about that? When the situation is pretty much identical.
Why the double standards I wonder.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
GymWolf
Member
Yeah, i thought my first post inside the topic was pretty clear about me being an early adopters.
Yep, you want to avoid a scene like thisMassive difference in the SOC cooling temps but the memory and mobo runs hotter which explains the higher exhaust temps both this guy and Austin Evans found.
So technically the PS5 IS hotter, but it isnt exactly worse. The APU is the most important thing to cool when it comes to performance.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Physiognomonics
Member
Well actually the back plate on PS5 is used for some active cooling of the back of the APU which is connected via some kind of thermally conductive layers to it. There is even a small heatsink connected to the back of the shield.
So if the layers between the shield and the APU are the same (a plate and some kind of pad), the temperature of the shield (at the APU spot) should be a good indicator to the actual temperature of the back of the APU, then the whole APU.
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Gameplaylover
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PropellerEar
Member
Better keep it off for the longevity.
underwater
Member
My assumption is that Sony overdesigned the launch console to avoid reliability issues and to garner positive reviews with respect to acoustics.
With 10m consoles shipped and lots of reliability data, they are satisfied that it is safe to scale back on the cooling and save money in the process. The new system will run hotter OR will run the fan harder to achieve same component temperatures. Which is to say: yes the new revision is "worse" but the buyer need not concern himself with it.
If you are of the stance that they have downsized the heatsink massively and yet simultaneously improved the cooling, in effect what you are saying is that the designers of the launch console did a very poor job. Which I think is unlikely.
With 10m consoles shipped and lots of reliability data, they are satisfied that it is safe to scale back on the cooling and save money in the process. The new system will run hotter OR will run the fan harder to achieve same component temperatures. Which is to say: yes the new revision is "worse" but the buyer need not concern himself with it.
If you are of the stance that they have downsized the heatsink massively and yet simultaneously improved the cooling, in effect what you are saying is that the designers of the launch console did a very poor job. Which I think is unlikely.
MightySquirrel
Banned
Md Ray
Member
His channel was recommended by tech-jeebus himself! Before GN exposed Gigabyte's exploding PSUs, it was HWBusters who brought this issue to everyone's attention first.2690 subs. gtfo here
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Starbuck2907
Member
So, the CPU runs cooler, but the machine is overall hotter due to. It has more noise. It pulls more electricity (except for a tiny difference in standby mode or at the Home Screen).
I mean, it kinda seems like a downgrade. I disagree with the assessment that this is a better piece of hardware. Seems like one good upgrade (cpu temps) and several small downgrades. I can see the argument that the trade off is worth it, but I disagree.
I think I’m gonna wait for the Slim.
I mean, it kinda seems like a downgrade. I disagree with the assessment that this is a better piece of hardware. Seems like one good upgrade (cpu temps) and several small downgrades. I can see the argument that the trade off is worth it, but I disagree.
I think I’m gonna wait for the Slim.
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