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Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire teaser trailer

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madara

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teiresias said:
As "true to the books" as people seem to say the first two movies are, they certainly lacked any heart IMO. The locations chosen were bland, particularly the layout of Hogwart's Castle and the surrounding land, the visual style overall was lacking and I felt the kid actors had yet to grow into their own in terms of the characters.

Cramming in plot points from the book is different from capturing the flavor and magic of the books and I felt PoA did that in spades, much more so than either the first or second film. This starts with the much more interesting location chosen for Hogwart's, sure it's not consistent with the first two, but consistency be damned when they've found someplace as gorgeous and full of character as the new locations used in PoA.

The kids are getting better as well, though Radcliffe still lags well behind the other two, with Emma Watson really showing she could grow into a great actress. Even though the casting change for Dumbledore was obviously a necessity I really feel the casting choice is more appropriate than the original in terms of the later books, because the role becomes pretty physical later on.


I have to disagree with that. I didnt feel like the PoA book I read at all. Alot folks on biggest HP forums out there made good points about how easy casual fans overlooked 3rds many faults just because suddenly it was "mature", "dark" and "stylish". No innocent child propective most cant relate too today anymore. No one gave crap if this was still enjoyable to kids, just as long as didnt have "ewok" moments in it.

Though I think some diehard readers get abit carried away with that 104 list thing floating out there about all errors, changes or missing bits from PoA I agree with quite few of the points it lists. I had to re-read book after fast forward PoA storytelling so baffled I was remembering things alot differently then how it was protrayed, especially lack of main characters relationship and near breakup.


Its funny how you mention the set and dumbledore. Crowd I was with felt the exact opposite. Suddenly the sets lost there magic and now felt realistic and easily like regonizable ol england. Dumbledore was just plain spazzy. There a nickname from that list Drunken Hippie Dumbledore that summerize new one well, but alas I dont have intolerance for older actors, so the attempt to make him young, hip and zany didnt work for me.
This is all based on novels though and we all pictured these characters differently in our mind for quite long time. But I do feel PoA got off easy, very easy considering and next ones will not likely be so lucky.
 

ManaByte

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No innocent child propective most cant relate too today anymore.

Well then those people will be seriously pissed when books six and seven are out because things get more mature starting with book three as the kids grow up.

And I still say there's going to be an Arthur (Harry), Lancelot (Ron), and Gwenivere (Hermoine) triangle popping up in either the last half of book six or in book seven.
 
Madara hit the nail on the head, PoA felt like the story was in fast foreward. That's what I was trying to say in my other post. Very strange feeling having a story rush at you so quickly.
 

Memles

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madara said:
I have to disagree with that. I didnt feel like the PoA book I read at all. Alot folks on biggest HP forums out there made good points about how easy casual fans overlooked 3rds many faults just because suddenly it was "mature", "dark" and "stylish". No innocent child propective most cant relate too today anymore. No one gave crap if this was still enjoyable to kids, just as long as didnt have "ewok" moments in it.

I have to respectfully tell you you're insane. You're entitled to your opinion, and that's not what makes you insane...what makes you insane is the fact that you used forums for a mainstream phenomenon as a barometer. That just doesn't fly, dude.

Really, I fall very far in the "PoA>>>>First Two" crowd, despite being a fan of the books and enjoying the first two films. However, this had nothing to do with maturity or darkness. It did, however, have to do with style.

Harry Potter is a boy in a magic world, surrounded by magic things, and yet he is still a person with real issues and real drama. That is a problem that the first two films never addressed. This is a fault with the books as much as it is the film; Rowling began delving further into drama and personal torment for Harry and yet the first two books saw his only major injuries saved by "Love" and "Pheonix Tears". Chris Columbus was given two books with aggressively happy endings, with no real consequence to the actions at hand. Harry ended up in the hospital wing, sure, but he was alright in the end and that was that. Harry's fine, his friends are fine, and everyone gives a cheesy standing ovation to Hagrid.

Cue blinding headaches, creepy soul-suckers, personal family crisis, and an apparent death threat.

...that just doesn't jive. Like it or not, the books are NOT all the same thematically. Each book is going to get progressively darker and will thus have a very different feel. This is the style aspect of Azkaban.

The style of Hogwarts, the style of the sequences...all of it was necessary to signify the general change in tone this represents. It is a shift...even the apparent happy ending is more or less bittersweet, and there is no giant applause moment. It is the film where Harry matures...and it was important that the films did the same in style.

In terms of the cuts made, there were some I think could have been included...including what exactly the Marauder's Map was would have been a smart move. However, that said, the film did all it could with the story that was given to them. A majority of the alterations made were done to make a better piece of cinema, not a truer adaptation.

That's the reality here; Azkaban is not as true in terms of being adapted from the book as the first two. I think this is a very good thing; the first two films created an absolutely IMPOSSIBLE precedent for the crazies to hold on to. They tried to cram in every moment, every scene, and it was done at the expense of filmmaking. They followed the books as guides to making films, not as the material on which to base one.

It is a better film than the first two. If you believe that it is not true enough an adaptation, or that the story has been shafted, I can see where you're coming from. I can't see, however, how Azkaban could have been a better piece of cinema, adaptation be damned.
 
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